Terrance Ross?

[Joe Green]

Seems like the Raptors are considering trading Terrance Ross for Morris. I have ZERO interest in Morris, but perhaps trading a PF for Morris - a wing can help us solve our logjam and shore up our weakest spot. Consider:

Boston Trades: Sully + Young OR pick OR PJIII
Boston Receives Terrance Ross

Why do it?
Terrance Ross can play the 2 / 3 spots
He is young (24), long (listed 6"7) lean and athletic
He is a career 37% 3pt shooter - Very respectable
He has played with Amir Johnson and the two seem to work together
There is a good chance Sully / Young / PJIII will be gone at the end of this season anyway

Why not?
Terrance Ross does not bring a whole lot other than shooting to the table
His assist/block/steal and rebounding are all sub par

Since this doesn't cost us much  - I would do it. And worst case - cut him at the end of the season.

[moiso]

I would much rather have Sullinger than Ross.  Maybe even Young since we don't know what we have in him yet.
Ross has shown little to no improvement since being drafted and he's just not very good.

[Joe Green]

I would much rather have Sullinger than Ross.  Maybe even Young since we don't know what we have in him yet.
Ross has shown little to no improvement since being drafted and he's just not very good.

I personally like Sully. He is a world class rebounder - but where are his minutes coming from? Is he better the Lee? Amir? Kelly?

One could argue even Jerebko / Crowder are equal or better than him given our space and pace system.

[D.o.s.]

I like the idea but I don't like the trade to get him.

[Celtics4ever]

I personally like Sully. He is a world class rebounder -

 

Actually, he is not top ten for a PF, but 11th.  That is still very good, but world class is a stretch.

31st league wide though, still excellent but we throw around hyperbole here sometimes that is not merited.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avgRebounds/year/2015/seasontype/2

- but where are his minutes coming from? Is he better the Lee? Amir? Kelly?

One could argue even Jerebko / Crowder are equal or better than him given our space and pace system.

I agree with this, I think we should evaluate his progress though, and see what this summer work bears.   If he lost weight that is great and he looks to have done so.   But will he play hard, and tape thus far, he still looks underwater when moving.   Playing time this year will have to be earned.   Some guys will have a leg up because they know the system.

But if he does well great, if he does not, with it being a contract year and competition, then we will know he is a dud between the ears.   It will be time to move him this year.  I do think he will be ready to compete, though, the question as you say will he be good enough.

I think the Ross deal is a lateral one at best.   Young with PT could put up those numbers I wager.  So it is a no for me, but it has nothing to do with Sully.

[Joe Green]

I personally like Sully. He is a world class rebounder -

 

Actually, he is not top ten for a PF, but 11th.  That is still very good, but world class is a stretch.

31st league wide though, still excellent but we throw around hyperbole here sometimes that is not merited.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avgRebounds/year/2015/seasontype/2

- but where are his minutes coming from? Is he better the Lee? Amir? Kelly?

One could argue even Jerebko / Crowder are equal or better than him given our space and pace system.

I agree with this, I think we should evaluate his progress though, and see what this summer work bears.   If he lost weight that is great and he looks to have done so.   But will he play hard, and tape thus far, he still looks underwater when moving.   Playing time this year will have to be earned.   Some guys will have a leg up because they know the system.

But if he does well great, if he does not, with it being a contract year and competition, then we will know he is a dud between the ears.   It will be time to move him this year.  I do think he will be ready to compete, though, the question as you say will he be good enough.

I think the Ross deal is a lateral one at best.   Young with PT could put up those numbers I wager.  So it is a no for me, but it has nothing to do with Sully.

Sully's advanced rebounding place him even higher, plus he was overweight and injured a good part of last season - so I am assuming he will be even better at rebounding this year - by far the best on the Celtics squad. Unfortunately, that is about where his contribution ends.

In what scenario does he get PT? He does not stretch the floor - and is a horrible EFG% for a PF/C. He does not guard the rim. He does not switch on defense. He is not filling a need in our system.

At least Ross has the length to guard 2/3 and spaces the floor (he hit 40% 3pt the year before last)

[PutItInTheAir]

ross is intriguing; athletic, multiple position player, whos slighlty better at shooting than bradley, but not as gifted defensively. if he stepped up his defense, FT%, and got to the free throw line more often he would be an excellent pick up

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I wouldn't do it for that package.

Moiso is on point. Ross has shown little improvement, and that that package is giving up to much. Especially since we have RJ Hunter who plays the same position as him, that would have that spot that Ross would take.

I'd definitely enquire, and see if we could trade for him on a lesser offer that Sully.

[Celtics4ever]

Sully's advanced rebounding place him even higher, plus he was overweight and injured a good part of last season - so I am assuming he will be even better at rebounding this year - by far the best on the Celtics squad. Unfortunately, that is about where his contribution ends.

In what scenario does he get PT? He does not stretch the floor - and is a horrible EFG% for a PF/C. He does not guard the rim. He does not switch on defense. He is not filling a need in our system.

At least Ross has the length to guard 2/3 and spaces the floor (he hit 40% 3pt the year before last)

I posted stats not opinion.  Unless you post the advanced stats,  it is worthless to me. in evaluation.  These are stats of NBA leaders.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_leaders.html

NOT TOP 20 in Offensive Rebounds, Defensive Rebounds, Total Rebound Pct, and Defensive Rebound Pct

He was 7th in Offensive Rebound Pct.   Now that is one area he shined in the other ones he was decent but not top 20.   How is that world class as one poster claimed?  I was simply illustrating that while he is a good rebounder, he is not remotely world class.   Being our best rebounder when the next guy gets six is not that big of a deal.   Lee, historically has been a better rebounder thoroughout his career.

I agree with the rest of your post.   I think he does deserve a shot, I just do not see him have an easy road.   I would wager that many here see me as his harshest critic.  Your preaching to the choir.  I am all for getting rid of guys who do not play D, shoot poorly, and are lazy.   I am not willing to cut the guy slack because it is a contract year.   I am convinced that we should not build around him because he is such  a woeful athlete.

Correct me if I am wrong, but a SG is supposed to defended and shoot and score.  41 FG%.   37% Three pointer but only scores 9 PPG.   We need scoring pop.  Last year, I would have taken almost anyone over a guy who ate himself to injury.  I think we can do better.   Ross shoots ok from down town, he defends but he shows inability to score as a primary threat.

[D.o.s.]

  Lee, historically has been a better rebounder thoroughout his career.

Worth pointing out that Lee has always been a good individual rebounder (i.e. he gets his numbers) but his teams have historically rebounded less when he is on the floor.

[Joe Green]

Sully's advanced rebounding place him even higher, plus he was overweight and injured a good part of last season - so I am assuming he will be even better at rebounding this year - by far the best on the Celtics squad. Unfortunately, that is about where his contribution ends.

In what scenario does he get PT? He does not stretch the floor - and is a horrible EFG% for a PF/C. He does not guard the rim. He does not switch on defense. He is not filling a need in our system.

At least Ross has the length to guard 2/3 and spaces the floor (he hit 40% 3pt the year before last)

I posted stats not opinion.  Unless you post the advanced stats,  it is worthless to me.

Thanks. Your words are too kind.

I was saying Sully is an elite rebounder, while you claim he is only very good - in a post where that isn't even the main topic. Somehow, that makes you feel you should call my post worthless.

It makes taking the time to post feel really worth it.

Thanks...

[makaveli]

this would make a great worst case scenario trade. by worst case i mean if sully shows up out of shape or doesn't fullfill our expectations until the trade deadline, but right now, sully's stock is a little higher that that...

[PhoSita]

  Lee, historically has been a better rebounder thoroughout his career.

Worth pointing out that Lee has always been a good individual rebounder (i.e. he gets his numbers) but his teams have historically rebounded less when he is on the floor.

How exactly does that work?

Genuinely curious.


I can understand how it works when some guys don't grab a ton of rebounds but their team rebounds a lot better with them on the floor.  Presumably, they're boxing out and ensuring that teammates can get rebounds.

How does it go the other way?

Is it that they don't box out and just haphazardly fly around the court hunting rebounds, which allows them to grab a lot of individual rebounds but overall results in a lower rebound percentage for the team?

[ahonui06]

I think Terrence Ross would be intriguing for Boston since the Celtics have limited depth at the wing position.

Danny could package one of the PFs plus a pick for him if they are really interested.

[Joe Green]

I think Terrence Ross would be intriguing for Boston since the Celtics have limited depth at the wing position.

Danny could package one of the PFs plus a pick for him if they are really interested.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly. Ross is not our savior and I would love to get a wing who does more than shoot, but to paraphrase "Lebron James is not walking through that door.."