Can the C's take advantage of the Markieef Morris drama?

[Beat LA]

Can the Celtics take advantage? Without a doubt - they've got the assets needed to trade for him (he's not exactly a superstar). Should they? In my opinion, unless Danny is planning a massive overhaul of the team, no. The Morris twins seem like the sort of players who can wreak havoc when they're one of the "leaders" of a young team, but who can theoretically be whipped into shape on a vet-laden team.

For a team like the Celtics, I don't really see much reason to think Kieff would suddenly turn over a new leaf when playing with a bunch of similarly unproven, inexperienced players as his current Suns teammates.

I wholeheartedly agree - TP.

[Smartacus]

Rollie Mass mentioned earlier that Markief's a Philadelphia native... maybe something like this?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ogt4ucu

Throw in a 2016 1st round pick going to Philly.

Why for Philly: we eat Carl Landry's bad contract while bringing home a Philly guy who would in theory be a great fit next too either Embid or Okafor, or play all 3 together for a massive lineup. I've heard that Okafor and Embid are becoming friends but never hear anything about Noel, kind of seems like a loner on the team. The pick gives them another chance to recoup Noel's value.

Why for Boston: Bring home Nerlens Noel and have a legitimate shot of resigning one of the top defensive forces in the league. Carl Landry could provide some decent injury insurance for one of our PF's.

Why for Phoenix: Get out of an ugly situation with some real assets. KO duplicates alot of what Markieff does without the off the court issues. Maybe Phoenix's medical staff could keep Perry Jones III from falling apart.

[PhoSita]

I think people focus too much on things that are only based in rumor and out of context reports and not enough on stuff we can see or quantify on the court.

Brad Stevens isn't half the coach we make him out to be if adding Markief Morris to the roster would ruin everything he's built up so far.

[Celtics18]

I think people focus too much on things that are only based in rumor and out of context reports and not enough on stuff we can see or quantify on the court.

Brad Stevens isn't half the coach we make him out to be if adding Markief Morris to the roster would ruin everything he's built up so far.

The truth is most of us probably weren't all that interested in Markieff Morris even before he got charged with aggravated assault or before he threw a hissy fit at the Suns for trading his brother. 

Personally, I don't think he'd ruin anything. I just don't think he's all that worth it.

Even if we could get him for practically nothing, we already have seven players on the team who will get minutes at power forward.

I'll pass. 

[Celtics18]

I want to add that as someone who is an identical twin myself, I find the Morris' relationship a bit creepy. 

Grow up, have your own individual lives, for goodness' sake!!

I mean, not only do they have to play basketball together and negotiate their contracts together (I'm sure the live together), but they also have to commit their violent crime together?

C'mon, guys.  It's spooky. 

[TheTruthFot18]

I want to add that as someone who is an identical twin myself, I find the Morris' relationship a bit creepy. 

Grow up, have your own individual lives, for goodness' sake!!

I mean, not only do they have to play basketball together and negotiate their contracts together (I'm sure the live together), but they also have to commit their violent crime together?

C'mon, guys.  It's spooky.

http://christinabaglivitinglof.com/school-age-twins/will-too-much-togetherness-affect-your-twins-individuation/

If they were raised close, like many twins can be (more than normal siblings), they might just function better together.

[hwangjini_1]

I think people focus too much on things that are only based in rumor and out of context reports and not enough on stuff we can see or quantify on the court.

Brad Stevens isn't half the coach we make him out to be if adding Markief Morris to the roster would ruin everything he's built up so far.

geez, give it rest pho. you have beaten the CBS-markeiff deceased equine for a while now. we understand you advocate a position of: "if CBS cant change and redeem someone who might have helped orchestrate a brutal and heinous gang beating of another human being, he must suck as a coach...much as i've long advocated." 

besides, ainge has a long history of strongly preferring people who are not prone to bludgeoning brutally other people. the improvements for the celtics offered by markieff are minor, if anything. i dont see ainge going out on a limb to acquire this guy.

[PhoSita]

geez, give it rest pho.

I could say the same for the "We shouldn't add guys who aren't high character!  We're building a culture here!" thing.

Why is this a thread, anyway?  We already have the other one.

I just think it's a pretty glaring contradiction in one of the popular talking points around here.  If we have such a great coach, he can manage one personality.

[PhoSita]

I want to add that as someone who is an identical twin myself, I find the Morris' relationship a bit creepy. 

I agree.  It's kinda weird.  Being apart will probably be good for them.

[Celtics18]

geez, give it rest pho.

I could say the same for the "We shouldn't add guys who aren't high character!  We're building a culture here!" thing.

Why is this a thread, anyway?  We already have the other one.

I just think it's a pretty glaring contradiction in one of the popular talking points around here.  If we have such a great coach, he can manage one personality.

You're missing the point, though, Pho.  We are sure coach Brad could manage Markieff just fine.

We still don't want him. 

[Smartacus]

geez, give it rest pho.

I could say the same for the "We shouldn't add guys who aren't high character!  We're building a culture here!" thing.

Why is this a thread, anyway?  We already have the other one.

I just think it's a pretty glaring contradiction in one of the popular talking points around here.  If we have such a great coach, he can manage one personality.

You're missing the point, though, Pho.  We are sure coach Brad could manage Markieff just fine.

We still don't want him.

Bill Simmons often states that every great team can have one, possibly 2 low character or rough around the edges players. Guys that may be head cases but provide the team with a different look that can pay dividends.

Tony Allen
Matt Barnes(lakers)
Deshawn Stevenson (Mavs)
Chris Anderson(although he's been a model citizen since turning his life around)
Lance Stevenson(Pacers)
Most recently Draymond Green bullied balled his way into a max contract.

These guys aren't afraid to mix it up and can give a finesse team the type of grit that puts them over the top.

Looks like the majority of this board feels that Markief Morris isn't good enough or dirt doggy to be one of those guys on this team. For the amount of touches that he'd need he's not worth the effort.

[PhoSita]

geez, give it rest pho.

I could say the same for the "We shouldn't add guys who aren't high character!  We're building a culture here!" thing.

Why is this a thread, anyway?  We already have the other one.

I just think it's a pretty glaring contradiction in one of the popular talking points around here.  If we have such a great coach, he can manage one personality.

You're missing the point, though, Pho.  We are sure coach Brad could manage Markieff just fine.

We still don't want him.

I must be missing the place where that is the point that was made.  I've heard lots of argument about how Markief is a bad person and a criminal,  but not so much about the actual on court factors.

I don't think he'd be a major upgrade, but I think he's better than Sullinger or Olynyk, all things considered.   I'm not heavily invested in the Celtics trading for him.   He wouldn't make or break the season or anything.   I just don't really get the fervor in the opposite direction.   

[PhoSita]

geez, give it rest pho.

I could say the same for the "We shouldn't add guys who aren't high character!  We're building a culture here!" thing.

Why is this a thread, anyway?  We already have the other one.

I just think it's a pretty glaring contradiction in one of the popular talking points around here.  If we have such a great coach, he can manage one personality.

You're missing the point, though, Pho.  We are sure coach Brad could manage Markieff just fine.

We still don't want him.

Bill Simmons often states that every great team can have one, possibly 2 low character or rough around the edges players. Guys that may be head cases but provide the team with a different look that can pay dividends.

Tony Allen
Matt Barnes(lakers)
Deshawn Stevenson (Mavs)
Chris Anderson(although he's been a model citizen since turning his life around)
Lance Stevenson(Pacers)
Most recently Draymond Green bullied balled his way into a max contract.

These guys aren't afraid to mix it up and can give a finesse team the type of grit that puts them over the top.

Looks like the majority of this board feels that Markief Morris isn't good enough or dirt doggy to be one of those guys on this team. For the amount of touches that he'd need he's not worth the effort.

The same board that was ecstatic to acquire a 32 year old who doesn't play defense and has no future here beyond this year and who will take playing time away from guys who might.

But hey, character. Character is important.

[MBunge]

Morris turns 26 next month.
Per 36 stats last season - 17.5 pts, 7.1 rebs, 2.7 asts, 1.4 stls, .5 blks.

KO turned 24 this year.
Per 36 stats last season - 16.1 pts, 7.7 rebs, 2.8 asts, 1.6 stls, 1 blk.

I'm not sure I see the need to argue over someone like Morris.

Mike

[Celtics18]

Morris turns 26 next month.
Per 36 stats last season - 17.5 pts, 7.1 rebs, 2.7 asts, 1.4 stls, .5 blks.

KO turned 24 this year.
Per 36 stats last season - 16.1 pts, 7.7 rebs, 2.8 asts, 1.6 stls, 1 blk.

I'm not sure I see the need to argue over someone like Morris.

Mike

And Kelly is arguably most effective at center, a position of need for the Celtics.  Markieff is a 3/4, a position where we are already log jammed.