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GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2015 Constitutional Convention
« on: July 29, 2015, 09:24:57 AM »

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This thread is to discuss changes to the GC Yahoo! H2H League Constitution. (The current league thread is here.)

The current constitution can be read below. Articles in green were amended last year.

The constitution can be viewed year round at http://www.10thumbs.org/h2h/league-constitution/.

I'm not sure yet, with Yahoo! closed up for the season, where/how we'll vote (probably via CB polls) but I'll give everyone a 2-3 day heads up, when it appears folks are done discussing ideas. We'll do voting via Doodle.


Convention Guidelines:

  • Anyone may propose an amendment in the thread. You can kick around ideas, but to formally propose amendments please use the format:

    Proposed Amendment #1:
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    amendment text in bold red

     
  • I'd like to have someone second each amendment just to assure there's some support before we vote.
  • The Commissioner will approve the final wording (working to make consistent with the original author) by placing as a poll on the Yahoo! site.



Preamble

This is a long-term league made up of 20 dedicated GMs. Most of us have invested 4, 5 6, up to 8 years of our time playing and building our teams. No one is forcing anyone to be a part of this league. But if you are going to be in it there is a reasonable expectation that you will (a) follow the rules that we?ve collectively decided on and (b) communicate with the commissioner if you have a question, issue or problem with the league, rules, another GM, etc.

Every GM has a different level of involvement in this league. The rules we?ve put together aren?t to make it more difficult, but rather to allow 20 different meatheads with differing levels of commitment, from all over the country/world, of different ages, different temprements, differing access to a computer during the day, etc. to coexist and have a kick-butt league.



I. General

1. This is a 20-team dynasty league using 11-category H2H scoring. Gainesville Celtic? (reachable via PM on Celticsblog or via email at mark<at>10thumbs.org) serves as the commissioner.

2. Each team keeps their full roster of players from year-to-year.

3. The league uses the following 16 roster positions per team:
  • 2 x PG
  • 2 x SG
  • 2 x SF
  • 2 x PF
  • 2 x C
  • 1 x Utility (Util) slot
  • 5 x bench (BN) slots
4. The league scoring is done on the following 11 categories:
  • Field Goals Made (FGM)
  • Field Goal Percentage (FG%)
  • Free Throws Made (FTM)
  • Free Throw Percentage (FT%)
  • 3-point Shots Made (3PTM)
  • Points Scored (PTS)
  • Total Rebounds (REB)
  • Assists (AST)
  • Steals (ST)
  • Blocked Shots (BLK)
  • Turnovers (TO)
5. Each GM should provide commissioner with a valid email address. It is a GM?s responsibility to notify the commissioner of any change to their email address.

6. GM activity, especially in a head-to-head format league, is vital. GMs who are inactive without a roster move, post, or other demonstrable proof of logging on and checking one?s lineup for 7 straight days are issued a warning. A second warning is grounds for replacement in the league. 14 straight days of inactivity is also grounds for replacement.

7. GM?s will be replaced on a first-come, first-served basis at the discretion of the commissioner. If a departing GM wishes to nominate his/her replacement, the commissioner will consider that replacement?s candidacy.

8. At the end of the season the commissioner will conduct an Games Played Audit of the 12 non-playoff teams. For each player with either an O-Rank or Season (total) Rank of 100 or better which misses more than 20 games that he plays in real life (i.e. Basketball Reference ?games played? minus Y! Team Log ?GP? > 20 games) that team shall be penalized 5 post-lottery draft spots. GMs may appeal this penalty to the league. Reversal requires an majority vote (i.e. 11 votes).2

9. For any rule not covered in this constitution, the default Yahoo! rules will apply.

10. A majority vote from the 20 GMs (e.g., 11 or more) is required to amend any league rule.1


II. Rookie Draft

11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-September.

12. Draft order is determined by the following:
  • A lottery will be held to determine the draft order for all 12 non-playoff teams. Each team will get assigned to a corresponding team in the NBA Lottery (where the last place team is assigned to last place NBA team, the second to last to the 2nd to last NBA, and so on). Each of these teams will have the chance to move into the top 3 of the draft, based on the chances of the corresponding NBA teams. As with the NBA draft, picks 4-12 will be in reverse order of finish. Therefore, the worst pick the team with the worst record can finish with is pick #4.
  • Picks 13-18 will be in the reverse order of finish, where the team with the lower winning percentage gets the lower # pick.
  • The league winner automatically gets #20 pick in the draft, regardless of regular season finish, and league runner-up gets the #19 pick.
  • Second round picks will be slotted in the reverse order of regular season finish, regardless of lottery results or Finals appearance.
13. The rookie draft will be held on the CelticsBlog.com forums. Any GM unable to participate can send the commissioner or a proxy an ordered list of picks to choose from.

14. Teams have 10 minutes to make 1st round picks; 5 minutes to make 2nd round picks.

15. The time listed next to each pick in the draft thread?s original post is the time the pick is due. Any GM who fails to post a selection by the deadline and who has not sent the commissioner a sufficient list of preferences will be assigned the highest remaining ranked draft pick based on the results of the actual NBA draft from earlier that summer.

16. Future draft picks may be traded on draft day, but no further than one year into the future. This is also true for trades made after the draft or during the regular season.

17. The period from the Rookie Draft to the League Cut Down Date ? which is usually roughly two weeks before the start of the regular season ? is the only time that teams may carry more than 16 players.


III. Season Play

18. Teams must cut down rosters to 16 players by the date announced by the commissioner.

19. Any team that wants to retain the rights to a player playing overseas must continuously keep open a roster spot for that player (except during the period discussed in #17 above). Filling that empty roster slot with a free agent or via trade releases any claim on the overseas player, who becomes a free agent available for pickup by another team once that player is added to the Yahoo! list of players.

20. Begining with the first day of the NBA season, each team may have a maximum of 2 players total listed as N/A in the Y! system and/or overseas players as described in #19 above.3


21. Waiver claims can only be submitted for players who are on the Yahoo! list of available players.

22. Each team may make a maximum of 50 roster moves during the regular season.

23. In-season trades shall have a 1 day approval period, to allow league GMs to review and exercise veto, if necessary. One-third of league GMs exercising veto power (e.g., at least 7) are required to overturn any trade. 1

24. Waivers will be 1 day and will be by a continual rolling list that does not carry over from year to year. Waiver order is reset at the beginning of each season to the reverse order of the first round of the draft, with the league Finalists from the previous season owning the waiver priority #1 and #2, followed by the highest winning percentage teams from the previous season (except those teams that have improved their draft position based on lottery results), etc.


IV. Trades and Vetoes

25. Trades must be confirmed via PM or email by both parties to Gainesville Celtic, both during the offseason (when Yahoo! league pages are unavailable) and during the season. This is especially important when draft picks are involved; a running log of all trades will help track ownership of draft picks. Trade confirmation MUST include a list from each GM involved of all players and/or picks being traded.

26. Trades may not include draft picks that are more than one full year/season into the future.

27. First round draft picks may be traded with protections. If protection is triggered, a second round draft pick must be conveyed instead.

28. Second round draft picks may not be traded with protections. Any team that trades a protected first rounder may not also trade a second round pick during the regular season.

29. It is the responsibility of all GMs to assist the commissioner in tracking picks owed/debited (via the trade log and roster pages on the league website: www.10thumbs.org/h2h).

30. Trades may be vetoed by a 1/3 vote by the rest of the league (7 GMs). Vetoed trades are immediately voided, and GMs are free to rework any voided trade.1

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1 Validated by league vote, summer 2012.
2 Amended Sept. 2014 by a 15-0 vote.
3 Amended Sept. 2014 by a 14-1 vote.
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Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2015 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2015, 09:25:41 AM »

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These amendments have been proposed, discussed and seconded and will therefore be voted on Aug. 14-17 via Doodle.com


additions in bold italic red
deletions are bold and struckthrough
consent additions in bold blue


Proposed Consent Amendment A ** PASSED by acclimation
Clarify difference between trade submission and approval dates.
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(will be adopted by acclimation unless someone objects by Aug. 13)

23. In-season trades shall have a 1 day approval period, to allow league GMs to review and exercise veto, if necessary. One-third of league GMs exercising veto power (e.g., at least 7) are required to overturn any trade.1 Trades must be submitted, not approved, by any relevant deadline (i.e. cutdown date, in-season trade deadline, etc.).

Proposed by THE Walker Wiggle, seconded by Gainesville Celtic



Constitutional Amendment #1 ** PASSED 12-0-1
Revised vote totals needed for amendments
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10. A majority vote from the 20 GMs (e.g., 11 or more) is required to amend any league rule. A quorum of 15 votes (including abstentions) is necessary for any amendment to pass.


Proposed by Gainesville Celtic, seconded by Yall Hate





Constitutional Amendment #2
Move the rookie draft from mid-Sept. to mid-Aug. (Revised article)
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11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-September August.

Proposed by Gainesville Celtic, seconded by Yall Hate




Constitutional Amendment #3
Two moves per week allowed during playoffs (Revised article)
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22. Each team may make a maximum of 50 roster moves during the regular season. Teams are limited to one 2 moves a week during playoffs.

(note: Should this amendment fail, the constituion will be consent amended to reflect the current practice of allowing only 1 move per week during playoffs.)

Proposed by THE Walker Wiggle, seconded by Mkogav




Constitutional Amendment #4

Stretch the rookie draft across two days (revised article)
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13. The rookie draft will be held on the CelticsBlog.com forums over two-days. Any GM unable to participate can send the commissioner or a proxy an ordered list of picks to choose from.


Proposed by THE Walker Wiggle, seconded by Mkogav



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Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2015 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2015, 09:54:44 AM »

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I'll go ahead and kick things off with 2 suggestions:

Quote
10. A majority vote from the 20 GMs (e.g., 11 or more) is required to amend any league rule.1


Proposed Amendment #1:
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(revised) 10. A majority vote is required to amend any league rule. A quorum of 15 votes (including abstentions) is necessary for any amendment to pass.


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Reasoning: at least two amendments failed last year with 9-6 votes. IMO 9 out of 15 votes is still a strong majority (and actually is a stronger majority than an 11-10 vote). They just failed b/c 4-5 GMs didn't vote. A 15 GM quorum would still mean that we have to have 3/4 of the GMs weighing in with a Yes / No / Abstain vote.

This is how the votes required would shake out:

20 votes -- 11-9 to pass
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19 votes -- 10-9 to pass
18 votes -- 10-8 to pass
-
17 votes -- 9-8 to pass
16 votes -- 9-7 to pass
-
15 votes -- 8-7 to pass

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Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2015 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2015, 09:57:08 AM »

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Quote
11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-September.



Proposed Amendment #2:
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(revised) 11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-August.



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Reasoning: Really straight-forward, moving the rookie draft up 1 month. This would allow an extra month of wheeling-and-dealing before the cut-down date and allow future draft picks to be traded earlier in the offseason.

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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2015, 10:12:37 AM »

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Quote
11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-September.



Proposed Amendment #2:
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(revised) 11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-August.



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Reasoning: Really straight-forward, moving the rookie draft up 1 month. This would allow an extra month of wheeling-and-dealing before the cut-down date and allow future draft picks to be traded earlier in the offseason.

Second.

Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2015 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2015, 10:12:49 AM »

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I'll go ahead and kick things off with 2 suggestions:

Quote
10. A majority vote from the 20 GMs (e.g., 11 or more) is required to amend any league rule.1


Proposed Amendment #1:
-------------------------------
(revised) 10. A majority vote is required to amend any league rule. A quorum of 15 votes (including abstentions) is necessary for any amendment to pass.


---------

Reasoning: at least two amendments failed last year with 9-6 votes. IMO 9 out of 15 votes is still a strong majority (and actually is a stronger majority than an 11-10 vote). They just failed b/c 4-5 GMs didn't vote. A 15 GM quorum would still mean that we have to have 3/4 of the GMs weighing in with a Yes / No / Abstain vote.

This is how the votes required would shake out:

20 votes -- 11-9 to pass
-
19 votes -- 10-9 to pass
18 votes -- 10-8 to pass
-
17 votes -- 9-8 to pass
16 votes -- 9-7 to pass
-
15 votes -- 8-7 to pass

Second.

Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2015 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2015, 10:21:06 AM »

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I'll take Fantasy Baseball for $500, Alex....

Second.

What is "where will Ya'll Hate be in the Celticsblog Fantasy Baseball League standings next Monday?"

 ;D ;D ;D 8)

(sorry YH... couldn't resist)
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Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2015 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2015, 10:23:55 AM »

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I'll take Fantasy Baseball for $500, Alex....

Second.

What is "where will Ya'll Hate be in the Celticsblog Fantasy Baseball League standings next Monday?"

 ;D ;D ;D 8)

(sorry YH... couldn't resist)

Yep, after I'm through with him!  ;D ;D

Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2015 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2015, 10:24:15 AM »

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11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-September.



Proposed Amendment #2:
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(revised) 11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-August.



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Reasoning: Really straight-forward, moving the rookie draft up 1 month. This would allow an extra month of wheeling-and-dealing before the cut-down date and allow future draft picks to be traded earlier in the offseason.

Second.

Third.

Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2015 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2015, 10:24:27 AM »

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I'll go ahead and kick things off with 2 suggestions:

Quote
10. A majority vote from the 20 GMs (e.g., 11 or more) is required to amend any league rule.1


Proposed Amendment #1:
-------------------------------
(revised) 10. A majority vote is required to amend any league rule. A quorum of 15 votes (including abstentions) is necessary for any amendment to pass.


---------

Reasoning: at least two amendments failed last year with 9-6 votes. IMO 9 out of 15 votes is still a strong majority (and actually is a stronger majority than an 11-10 vote). They just failed b/c 4-5 GMs didn't vote. A 15 GM quorum would still mean that we have to have 3/4 of the GMs weighing in with a Yes / No / Abstain vote.

This is how the votes required would shake out:

20 votes -- 11-9 to pass
-
19 votes -- 10-9 to pass
18 votes -- 10-8 to pass
-
17 votes -- 9-8 to pass
16 votes -- 9-7 to pass
-
15 votes -- 8-7 to pass

Second.

Third.

Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2015 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2015, 10:42:38 AM »

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I'll take Fantasy Baseball for $500, Alex....

Second.

What is "where will Ya'll Hate be in the Celticsblog Fantasy Baseball League standings next Monday?"

 ;D ;D ;D 8)

(sorry YH... couldn't resist)

Boom.   And sadly, true. 

Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2015 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2015, 10:48:22 AM »

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I'll wait a couple days to allow for disucssion but with already "thirds" both of the 1st two proposed amendments will go to a vote.

Either can still be amended via friendly amendment through discussion.
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Someone asked when the rookie draft was going to be.

Per our current constitution it will be in mid-Sept.

We'll vote on a constitutional amendment though to move it (permanently to mid-Aug). If the amendment passes (though it'll need a 11 YES votes) we'll do it the week of Aug. 17
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I definitely prefer the Sept draft for a lot of reasons. I'm leaning in favor of amendment #1.

Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2015 Constitutional Convention
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Someone asked when the rookie draft was going to be.

Per our current constitution it will be in mid-Sept.

We'll vote on a constitutional amendment though to move it (permanently to mid-Aug). If the amendment passes (though it'll need a 11 YES votes) we'll do it the week of Aug. 17

I'm down for moving the draft, but I don't think we should do it this year - trying to get the information out in a week or so is bound to cause fights.  Some owners may be on vacation or just not checking the site/their email at this time of year.

 

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