GM's will change there tune quickly. Sounds like these GM's wanted to get Rozier, Hunter, and Mickey in the 2nd round as a pure value play.
I know if the Bulls got Rozier at 22 instead of Portis it wouldn't even be criticized. Anyone Ainge would of drafted would of gotten criticism due to our rebuilding situation, he has a magnifying glass right now on every move we make. Think about it, with no real stars on our team and tons of draft picks that we still have everyone is interested in what we do and how it will play out.
You bring up an interesting point about the Bulls at 22 drafting Rozier not being an issue, but there is a valid reason. The Bulls NEED a backup point guard for Rose. The Celtics didn't NEED Rozier. This is why Ainge is getting so much **** for his draft. Last year we drafted at the #6 Marcus Smart a point guard, and at #17 we drafted James Young a shooting guard/small forward. This year we drafted at #16 a point guard in Terry Rozier, at #28 we draft R.J. Hunter who's a shooting guard, #45 we draft a shooting guard/point guard in Marcus Thornton. Jordan Mickey was the only true smart pick for where we were picking.
I'm not saying Rozier, Hunter and Thornton are not good players, but they weren't good fits for the Celtics at the drafting position. They only one I'm a little intrigued with is Hunter because he can shoot very well, but also interested in why he fell to us.
Personally I think they would have been better taking a Sam Dekker even though I'm not a huge fan, but he's a small forward who can play. Or also a Justin Anderson who is that small forward/shooting guard who can also shoot the three. I believe if we took Portis at 16 it would have been no issue, a solid big man who can play power forward and maybe the center.
I think if he drafted these players I'm going to list he wouldn't be under a microscope or his players he drafted.
#16 Sam Dekker (Position of need, skill sets match what we need.)
#28 Montrezl Harrell (Personal favorite but rebounds, second highest scorer for Cardinals, the most heart out of any player in this draft, Tommy would love his hustle, great at put backs, and is a up and down two way player, Rockets got a steal at 32 with this guy.)
#33 Jordan Mickey (shot blocker, rebounds, can be a scorer.)
At #28 and #33 they fill in where we're able to trade Olynke, Sully and they also are great big man.
#45 Robert Upshaw (Yes, issues could be, but at #45 he's worth a risk unlike another guard who's now not going to play for us even this year.)
None of the guys that were projected at the 16th pick range are high upside guys. I don't believe anyone in the rebuilding stage drafts for need, I don't know why Ainge would all of a sudden start now. I believe Ainge really like Rozier the best with what was available at that point and wasn't going to risk hoping he was there at the 28th pick.
I also disagree with that we don't need Rozier, he provides the slashing/ball handling at the guard position we need. Only other guy who can provide us this is IT4 and he'll be relegated to the bench.
As far Derrick Rose goes, I think his future in Chicago is becoming pretty bleak and that if the Butler and Rose rifts are true than the Bulls are looking ahead at the future of the team which makes perfect sense since Thibs has been fired and the rapid decline of Joakim Noah is only pushing the agenda. The one piece they have now is Butler and he's the guy they are building around.
So you just made the point I did, we didn't NEED a point guard that scores/slashes. Rozier is just as good of a ball handler as Smart or IT, not any better. So we got an IT 2.0 that's a couple inches taller. When last year we drafted a point guard at the 6th spot, who will be our starting point guard. Mind you we also drafted it when we also had Pressey so 3 point guards on the roster. I'm not saying Rozier is a bad player, but at 16th we needed either a center, a big man that plays defense or a starting/soon to be starting small forward.
What are you disagreeing on Rose? I said if we had drafted our NEED, the Bulls would have drafted a NEED in Rozier.
I think the point he's making is that we're not good enough to draft for need. We need to draft guys who we think have the best chance of becoming the BPA at his draft position.
I think your making the same mistake a couple of these "personnel" guys Bulpett quoted are making. Your looking at it like these positions (PG, SG, C) mean more than their supposed to, and that since Smart is labeled a PG on the depth chart drafting another PG doesn't make sense. That's just not the way the game is played anymore.
That scout said "I'm not sold Rozier can develop into a PG", but why does he have to? Smart can carry a large chunk of the playmaking duties from both the 1 and the 2 spots, because he has the defensive ability, size, and effectiveness without the ball to do so. But he's not a Rondo level ball-handler, and can't be the initiator every single trip up the floor. We love the things AB brings to the table (his defense, athleticism, improved jump shot, hustle), but he can't make plays. Having those two being prominent in the rotation makes it necessary to have a guy like Turner on the wing who is capable of running the offense. Even with the amount of line-up changes our depth affords us, as Smart grows having a back-up like IT is crucial, and if Avery Bradley could dribble and pass you'd have a much more complete and cohesive rotation.
That's why Rozier makes sense. He's a whole lot like AB in a number of very important ways, but he's already a good enough "PG" to shoulder some of that burden from Smart and open up the wing for someone with a better offensive game then Turner. Plus, now you've made AB expendable (who has legit trade value) as well as Turner. If you take Dekker, how does he fit long-term. He's not the kind of playmaker Turner is, so you probably need to keep him, but Dekker isn't really a great small-ball 4, and you still need to keep Crowder because neither of those guys is anywhere near good enough to guard the LeBron's, Durant's and Melo's of the world. Adding Portis to an already loaded front-court might not be the best idea either. Hunter fits into this picture because with a little added muscle he can play the 2 or 3 and provide dangerous shooting, with decent vision and a huge IQ.
Mickey is a great grab for us, and I hope we clear a couple guys out to get him some time. But I really think some people are looking at this like "Wow, another PG" or "How many PF's can we possibly have", and thinking of these positions in a far too rigid sense
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