Author Topic: What starting lineup do you like for this team?  (Read 12047 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #60 on: July 21, 2015, 01:29:54 PM »

Offline BDeCosta26

  • Bill Walton
  • *
  • Posts: 1314
  • Tommy Points: 232
Yeah the ballhandling is a concern, and I think Lee would be at the 5 with Johnson at the 4, but with a lineup like that we'd be feeding it to the low post 9 out of 10 plays anyway, and I don't think we need ET's blackhole to make that work.
fair enough.  Amir and Lee would be interchangeable between the 4 and 5 when on the court together I think.  the ballhandling is what concerns me.  no issue keeping turner off the floor or moving him but we're really lacking a really good ballhandler.  IT's the closest we have and he's mediocre at best.  I know a lot of people here bashed Rondo but one thing no one could argue was that the guy was a top ballhandler/passer and the difference between him and what we have now is significant

I think your right about Lee and Johnson being interchangeable. I think Johnson's ability to hit the open three and his superior athleticism make him a better fit at the 4 offensively, plus Lee has a deft post game that allows him to camp near the block, and on defense Lee isn't good at guarding either position, but he's not really better at one than the other and is big enough to do both. Johnson is a good enough interior defender to play the 5 a lot. So pigeonholing them into one of those slots doesn't reflect what's really going on.

The ball handling is a legit concern, but as Dos said in certain line ups (like most featuring Lee) we won't require an elite ball-handler. Plus, I think we're confusing Smart's ability as a ball-handler/playmaker with the opportunities he had last year to do so. Stevens had him playing with Turner or IT almost all the time last year. He wanted Smart to play elite defense, get comfortable with the speed of the NBA game, and develop his shot to a respectable level. He can handle more PG duties than he was allowed to last year right now, without further development. Plus, with Thomas, Rozier, Hunter (who seems like at the least capable of initiating offense) and KO's shoot/drive/pass game we have enough talent elsewhere to make up for it.

It is pretty clear we don't have anyone near prime Rondo's level of playmaking/passing ability. But we saw with him just how perfect the fit around him has to be to cover all the things he couldn't do at all. That's why the Rozier pick makes sense. Assuming his shot develops some (which it should) he, Smart, Thomas and Hunter can all play both on and off the ball, and defend at a pretty good to elite level. Having guys who are pretty good at playing multiple positions on both sides of the ball is, IMHO, a better strategy than having one guy who's a elite facilitator, but is a detriment without the ball in his hands and doesn't defend well.

I think Turner, Jones, Sullinger and Bradley are the most likely to go at this point. Unless they're sure Sullinger is in the best shape possible, with Lawson gone and Chandler re-signed, I wonder if Denver would be interested in a Jones/Turner/Sullinger package for Gallo. I'm not huge on him, but If the price is right he fits what we need. Maybe include the Minny pick or our '16 1st if you have to. Then you can kinda shop around AB, Zeller, Lee etc as the season goes on and see what's available. But I don't think you trade IT, not for anything less than a kings ransom anyways. He's too important to this team right now to realistically trade him for someone more valuable. Sure would like to find some time for Mickey though. If Johnson, Lee or Zeller gets banged-up, I think Mickey could give this team a dimension they just ain't had recently as soon as this season.

Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #61 on: July 21, 2015, 01:47:40 PM »

Offline MJohnnyboy

  • Bailey Howell
  • **
  • Posts: 2438
  • Tommy Points: 269
Here's the thing. I see the finishing lineup, with the roster as it currently stands, being IT-Smart-Crowder-Johnson-Lee because I think that is the best lineup the Celtics have at the moment, but that doesn't mean that's who the Celtics should start. IT gives the Celtics offensive firepower and Crowder tightens the defense, which is why I think they are best used off the bench.

Smart-Bradley-Turner-Johnson-Lee I think will be the starting lineup because Turner and Smart will share ball handling duties while Bradley, Smart and Johnson lead the defense and Lee will be the focal point in the offense because he's the best player offensively of those five. Even if it's not the best five the Celtics have, it's a good blend.

But hey, our starting 5 at the start of last year was Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sullinger-Olynyk before the flurry of moves was made. There's no telling what's going to happen by this April considering we're expecting more moves to be made.

Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #62 on: July 21, 2015, 02:08:13 PM »

Offline littleteapot

  • Jayson Tatum
  • Posts: 852
  • Tommy Points: 93
Yeah the ballhandling is a concern, and I think Lee would be at the 5 with Johnson at the 4, but with a lineup like that we'd be feeding it to the low post 9 out of 10 plays anyway, and I don't think we need ET's blackhole to make that work.
I don't think we can win games by relying on post-ups. Amir/Lee/Crowder/Smart/Bradley may have to be a post up offense because of how limited it would be overall. Adding Turner would give us some other options on offense and we unfortunately just have to accept some turnovers/overdribbling/bad shots. The alternative is that Smart is forced to dribble out the ball anyway because no one else can handle it, defenses will pressure the ball and deny the post, and we won't even have the pick and roll to fall back on really.
How do you feel about websites where people with similar interests share their opinions?
I'm forum!

Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #63 on: July 22, 2015, 12:28:21 AM »

Offline hagar55voa

  • Payton Pritchard
  • Posts: 123
  • Tommy Points: 12
Zeller and any four others...