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Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2015, 06:41:12 PM »

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PG: IT, Rozier
SG: Smart, Bradley, RJ
SF: Crowder, Turner
PF: Lee, Sully
C: Johnson, KO, Zeller

I think this depth chart gives us the best chance at winning. I don't like IT or Smart sharing the floor with Turner, because he's too ball-dominant. Rozier looks like he can play off the ball better with Turner. I also think Lee needs to be paired with Johnson or Zeller to help him defensively, and I especially don't think Lee and Sully would be a good pairing.
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Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2015, 06:45:58 PM »

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PG: IT, Rozier
SG: Smart, Bradley, RJ
SF: Crowder, Turner
PF: Lee, Sully
C: Johnson, KO, Zeller

I think this depth chart gives us the best chance at winning. I don't like IT or Smart sharing the floor with Turner, because he's too ball-dominant. Rozier looks like he can play off the ball better with Turner. I also think Lee needs to be paired with Johnson or Zeller to help him defensively, and I especially don't think Lee and Sully would be a good pairing.

That would probably be starting our 5 most talented players, but I just don't think CBS and Ainge have any interest in starting IT.
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Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2015, 07:21:06 PM »

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There are a few line ups I think we'll experiment with depending on match ups/opponents.

I think there will be some trades mid season for guys like Evan Turner and even David Lee or Amir (depending on injuries to other teams).
For normal rotations that include two traditional big men opponents we'll likely see:

Smart
Bradley
Crowder/ Turner
Lee/Sullinger
Amir Johnson

I think they'll give Turner as much time as possible to increase his value before AS break.
And for small ball line ups which feature a stretch PF like the Cavs/Knicks/Warriors etc I think we may see something like...

Smart
Bradley
Turner
Crowder
Amir Johnson

Which will be an exciting combo to watch, especially if Smart's offense picks up and he starts getting to the line....
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Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2015, 08:49:36 PM »

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Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2015, 08:50:50 PM »

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Smart (he is a PG)
Bradley (isn't appreciated enough)
Crowder (glue guy)
Sullinger (breakout year)
Johnson (Zeller for some match ups)

I hope they trade Thomas and Turner and go young-ball.  David Lee (if the trade ever gets done) is a tough one to figure. He will get minutes (show case for trade) but I don't think they got him to be a starter. 

Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2015, 09:12:04 PM »

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Cousins at Center
Johnson at Power Forward
Crowder at Small Forward
Hunter at Shooting Guard
Smart/ Thomas interchangable at Point


That's who I'd LIKE to see  ;)

Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2015, 09:12:50 PM »

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Cousins at Center
Johnson at Power Forward
Crowder at Small Forward
Hunter at Shooting Guard
Smart/ Thomas interchangable at Point


That's who I'd LIKE to see  ;)

You forgot Durant at SF  ;)
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Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2015, 09:13:13 PM »

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Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2015, 09:13:57 PM »

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Cousins at Center
Johnson at Power Forward
Crowder at Small Forward
Hunter at Shooting Guard
Smart/ Thomas interchangable at Point


That's who I'd LIKE to see  ;)

You forgot Durant at SF  ;)

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Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2015, 09:50:40 PM »

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IT - Smart - Crowder - Lee - Johnson

Probably the best lineup we've got at the moment.

Bingo.

Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2015, 10:23:49 PM »

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-Rozier  / IT4  (PG/ball handlers)
-Smart  / Hunter    (2 guard / off-ball)
-Young  / Crowder  (SF/Wing)
-Olynyk  / Lee / Jerebko / Mickey   (PF/Swing)
-Johnson / Zeller   (Center / bigs)

 I'd trade AB, Sully, Turner for 1 player/1 spot, waive PJIII and go forward with a 13 man roster with 2 spots reserved for the typical 10 day contracts (injury insurance) and/or room to receive multiple players in possible potential trades.

 I know my lineup is an unpopular one, but my reason is I'm all in the development of our young guys and was never cool with the idea of sending our rookies to the D-league, which does nothing for them really. Giving heavy minutes to guys who won't be here past this year, I'll never get down with that.


 


Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2015, 11:18:18 PM »

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I'm going with:

PG:  Smart/IT2/Rozier
SG:  AB/Hunter
SF:  Crowder/PJ3
PF:  Lee/Sully/Olynyk
C:   Amir/Zeller/Olynyk/Mickey

Here's the deal.  I think we need to run Smart at PG and not SG. His ceiling as a SG is very low because of his jumpshot and a ceiling I would describe as that of a rich man's Tony Allen and I want more out of Smart than that.  So I want the celtics to give him another season at the PG position.  Yes, it sucks because IT and Rozier also deserve a lot of playing time at PG, but Smart needs to be given a chance there to see if he can become a great player at that position.   Because of this logjam at PG is why I think trading one of Smart or Rozier is a priority for us -- even if they are the two prospects on this roster I like the most.  Maybe Rozier can get some burn in the d-league for a while until there's a trade or an injury.

So why do I want to start Smart over IT, but not Sully/Olynyk at PF?  I guess I'd like Lee to work up his trade value for one which would be useful for us.  And two, Sully is in his last season before restricted free agency.  So I'd like to see him really work hard to earn that playing time he needs in order to bargain his next contract.  Also suppressing his minutes may work well in suppressing his contract if the celtics envision him as part of our future (I'm not sure that I would).

And yeah, I want Turner gone.  He's not part of the future.  Let's give up on the fact that he's not bringing back anything in a trade.  I love the way Crowder plays and I want to see if PJ3 can do something with some playing time.

That logic just doesn't really hold up, Dwyane Wade is an utterly uninspiring jumpshooter, but is one of the best SG's of the last few decades.

You're saying because one of the best superstar SGs of a decade didn't have a certain skill, that it's OK for non-superstars not to have it too?  This is like if I criticize a mediocre player's ceiling who is a terrible free throw shooter and you respond with "That logic doesn't hold up since Shaq was a bad free throw shooter too."

I get that it is not 100% true that a player must be a great 3 point shooter to be a great SG.  But for Marcus Smart to be a great shooting guard, he's probably going to need to be a great 3 point shooter since he's lacking other dimensions of his game that the D-Wades of the world possess.
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Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #42 on: July 21, 2015, 12:03:54 AM »

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-Rozier  / IT4  (PG/ball handlers)
-Smart  / Hunter    (2 guard / off-ball)
-Young  / Crowder  (SF/Wing)
-Olynyk  / Lee / Jerebko / Mickey   (PF/Swing)
-Johnson / Zeller   (Center / bigs)

 I'd trade AB, Sully, Turner for 1 player/1 spot, waive PJIII and go forward with a 13 man roster with 2 spots reserved for the typical 10 day contracts (injury insurance) and/or room to receive multiple players in possible potential trades.

 I know my lineup is an unpopular one, but my reason is I'm all in the development of our young guys and was never cool with the idea of sending our rookies to the D-league, which does nothing for them really. Giving heavy minutes to guys who won't be here past this year, I'll never get down with that.


 

AB 24y.o.
ET 26y.o.
Sully 23y.o.
KO 24y.o.
AJ 28y.o.
IT4 26y.o.
Lee 32y.o.
Jae 25y.o.
JJ 28y.o.
Zeller 25y.o.
PJ3 23y.o.


Let's get real, it's not about wanting the young players to play, you want to get rid of players you don't like. AB is as young/younger than all those players you didn't put up to be sent out except for Sully and he is only a few months older than he is! Sully is younger than all of them except for Smart/Young and the rookies! ET is only 26, not even in his prime and the same age as IT4! If playing young is what you really want then everyone must go b4 Sully/KO/AB/PJ3 and  2ndyr/rookies!

Forgot to add PJ3s age...
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Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2015, 12:10:44 AM »

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I'm going with:

PG:  Smart/IT2/Rozier
SG:  AB/Hunter
SF:  Crowder/PJ3
PF:  Lee/Sully/Olynyk
C:   Amir/Zeller/Olynyk/Mickey

Here's the deal.  I think we need to run Smart at PG and not SG.  His ceiling as a SG is very low because of his jumpshot and a ceiling I would describe as that of a rich man's Tony Allen and I want more out of Smart than that.  So I want the celtics to give him another season at the PG position.  Yes, it sucks because IT and Rozier also deserve a lot of playing time at PG, but Smart needs to be given a chance there to see if he can become a great player at that position.   Because of this logjam at PG is why I think trading one of Smart or Rozier is a priority for us -- even if they are the two prospects on this roster I like the most.  Maybe Rozier can get some burn in the d-league for a while until there's a trade or an injury.

So why do I want to start Smart over IT, but not Sully/Olynyk at PF?  I guess I'd like Lee to work up his trade value for one which would be useful for us.  And two, Sully is in his last season before restricted free agency.  So I'd like to see him really work hard to earn that playing time he needs in order to bargain his next contract.  Also suppressing his minutes may work well in suppressing his contract if the celtics envision him as part of our future (I'm not sure that I would).

And yeah, I want Turner gone.  He's not part of the future.  Let's give up on the fact that he's not bringing back anything in a trade.  I love the way Crowder plays and I want to see if PJ3 can do something with some playing time.

After two years, I think we can safely say that Stevens doesn't put much stock into rigid positions. That's why he's always using terms like "ball-handler", "off-guards", "wings" and "bigs". Regardless of how many of our current guys play for the next Celtic contender, it seems certain that if Stevens is here it will be with a bunch of guys who can play different positions in different situations.

For instance, you mention Smart needing to be played at PG, but I don't think that's totally true. For example; IT, Smart, Rozier and Turner are all capable ball-handlers who can initiate offense. Because IT (who's probably our best player) really can't match-up with opposing 2's physically and is at his best with the ball in his hands, Smart is better suited as the off-guard next to him. That doesn't mean he can never bring the ball up when they're on the court together (He didn't much last year since he was a rookie and we were trying to make the playoffs), but because he's versatile enough to play both on and off the ball, it gives us the flexibility to play those two together. In a line-up of Smart/Bradley, AB's lack of ball-handling skills and his ability to get open without the ball means Smart takes the role of playmaker.

I think that's part of the theory behind the Rozier pick. Bradley is one of our more valuable trade chips on the roster, but he really can't be anything but an under-sized off guard. Rozier has very similar attributes (including very good on-ball defense, a must in CBS' system), but with a MUCH better handle. They believe, like they did with AB, that Rozier's shot can develop into a legit threat, and that a Smart/Rozier back-court will be able to play off each other very well. A large majority of this roster is guys who can play multiple positions both offensively and defensively. Allowing a combo-guard like Smart to play both on and off the ball when the situation calls for it is the best way for him to reach his potential.

Kinda the hang up with guys like Rondo, Waiters, Pekovic, etc. They're skill-sets are only able to be effective if they do very specific things, normally to the detriment of the rest of your guys. Rondo did a whole lot of pounding the ball, plus since he was such a poor shooter his ability to get FT's was negated. Waiters is an inefficient high-volume off-guard who needs to be ball dominant but can't pass very well. Nick Young is like that too. And guys like Pekovic, Jefferson, even a young guy like Okafor are really suffering in today's league because they lack any semblance of versatility. Pekovic is one of the leagues best low-post scorers (Pre-injuries anyway), but he's a god awful defender who can't shoot beyond 8 feet and is far too slow to pretend to defend any stretch bigs or small-ball 5's.

I get your point I guess. Smart needs to be running the offense more than he did last year to grow into his potential, and I totally agree. I think in the next two or three years, you'll be seeing Smart doing what he did in SL, getting more and more responsibility in that time. But I don't agree with saying "We need to make him a PG because he'll be wasted at SG", because that ignores the realities of the pro-game today. Put him next to Rondo and maybe he's wasted at the 2, but there's not many guys like that anymore. James Harden is a SG, but he's running that offense 75% of the time. Paired with a guy like Rozier, Smart could play the 2, but run the offense 50-70% of the time, and use his off-ball skills to keep the offense moving when Rozier drives and has to kick out.

 We need Smart and Rozier to keep improving their shots and their off-ball skills, so that both are able to play with or without the ball. If they can do that, as well as take turns defending the other teams best guard at times (the way AB has), we'll be much better for it.

Re: What starting lineup do you like for this team?
« Reply #44 on: July 21, 2015, 12:20:31 AM »

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Honestly, it's really hard to define a set in stone lineup with this team.  I'm not sure if we are even going to have a clear cut starting lineup, or if Brad will just go with a series of different ones based on situation.

There are just so many possibilities with this roster, so many different ways to approach it.

I guess the key to this is going to be establishing what type of identity you want your team to have. I'm thinking lots of shooting, lots of ball movement and defensive versatility will be the name of the game. 

In this case I'd probably go with a starting lineup of:

C: Amir Johnson
PF: Kelly Olynyk
SF: Evan Turner
SG: Avery Bradley
PG: Marcus Smart

With this lineup you basically have:
a) Four guys who can handle the ball (Olynyk, Turner, Bradley, Smart)
b) Four guys who can pass (Johnson, Olynyk, Turner, Smart)
c) Four guys who can stretch the floor (Johnson, Olynyk, Bradley, Smart)
d) Excellent perimeter defense (Smart + Bradley)
e) Some modest rim protection (Johnson)
f) Every guy can defend multiple positions - benefit when defending the P&R
g) Every guy is a potential double figure scorer
h) All players are decent (if not great) rebounders at their position

It may not be our most talented outright roster, and it's definitely not our most offensively potent one, but but there's a ton of versatility there.

From here, the second unit would almost certainly be determined based on situational match-ups.

For scoring...

C: David Lee
PF: Jared Sullinger
SF: Jonas Jerebko
SG: Terry Rozier
PG: Isaiah Thomas

For defense...

C: Jordan Mickey
PF:  Jonas Jerebko
SF: Jae Crowder
SG: RJ Hunter
PG: Terry Rozier

For transition...

C: Tyler Zeller
PF:  Jonas Jerebko
SF: Jae Crowder
SG: Terry Rozier
PG: Isaiah Thomas

For floor stretching...

C: Jared Sullinger
PF: Jonas Jerebko
SF: RJ Hunter
SG: Terry Rozier
PG: Isaiah Thomas

Big...

C: Tyler Zeller
PF: David Lee
SF: Jonas Jerebko
SG: Jae Crowder
PG: RJ Hunter

All rounder...

C: Tyler Zeller
PF: David Lee
SF: Jae Crowder
SG: RJ Hunter
PG: Isaiah Thomas

And so on, and so forth.
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