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We need more picks!
« on: July 16, 2015, 10:26:22 AM »

Offline Hemingway

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I've heard the argument over and over that a top pick is worth more than many late picks. Agreed. But unless we get really lucky with someone elses pick get very unlucky with injuries, we are not looking at getting a top pick any time soon. Last year we got pretty discouraged when we learned our offer for Love was not the best offer. This draft we couldn't bully our way up the order with a lot of mid picks.

Some will say, the plan doesn't work and Ainge is terrible blah blah blah. I say, we just need to give it more time. Keep stockpiling assets. If 6 mid first round picks isn't enough, out 10 be? We can get more and here is how:

We just can't lose assets. So we have to look at guys who could walk next year and guys who hit RFA. Ainge has to see if they have realistic salary expectations and if they would be a good fit. If not, they need to be traded. Turner is up next year and Zeller and Sully it RFA. To early to tell with Johnson and Lee.

My guess is that Ainge decides to keep Zeller long term and trades Sully and Turner. Hopefully they could each get us a future pick with some chance of being good. So that's 2 more picks. We can probably also help other teams make trades and pick up some late 1sts, seconds or improve some of the picks we already have.

The point of it all is that we are stuck waiting for the next star to come along. We have no control over the timing. But we can keep cycling assets and improving our record and potential trade package year by year until we get get a star. Hopefully soon.


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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2015, 10:40:12 AM »

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I think that's the plan and I believe it's great.
While waiting for the stars to align, we have the nets that are increasing our odds to pick a talent, and most importantly we are building depth and chemistry. We will sign the ones that are valuable in the process, trade the others for picks and we'll be ready for contention with deep bench established.
I don't want the Celtics to be the next Clippers with depth problem and gambling at the trade deadline or FA each year. That's not how I see contention.
You need both : Stars + solid bench that contribute and support starting 5 in case of injuries.

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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2015, 10:49:51 AM »

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My guess is that Ainge decides to keep Zeller long term and trades Sully and Turner.
  We can only hope.

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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2015, 11:53:45 AM »

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Either this or start doing trades where we are sending out more players than are coming in.

We have a little bit of a roster squeeze now, but the problem is we may be selling low if we trade players like Sully this offseason.  I think Ainge could wait until training camp or the first half of the year to see how players perform,  and start trimming the roster somewhat either for future picks or upgrades in talent now. 

We could have up to 4 first round draft picks next year so something needs to budge.

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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2015, 12:00:49 PM »

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It's very BB esque. I really like the team, and it reminds me of Atlanta about 4 years ago, but with much more depth and promise.

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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2015, 06:14:31 AM »

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No way do we get 2 decent picks for sully and turner. I'd b very happy if we got 1first round pick for both of them combined.

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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2015, 04:49:03 PM »

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Disagree we don't need more picks, you have to look at the fact if we have to use all those picks because nobody wants them. IMO we should be looking for proven NBA talent over a bunch of picks.

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I'm not sure that we need more picks. However, we do need to move on from guys who aren't part of our long term plans and give younger players a chance to play.

The best way to do this actually to trade players whose back ups are comparable for picks.

As you said Evan Turner is a likely target. Moving him would allow Smart to be the full time starting ball handler, open up a starting spot for Crowder and allow PJ3 to make the roster. So really replacing Turner in the lineup would benefit the team, any pick we get on top of that is gravy.

I trust Ainge to draft and Stevens to develop mid to late round picks more than I trust that the value of the picks will allow us to make a big trade. If Danny can draft a bunch of Jordan Mickey's in second round with picks they got from trading players who were blocking younger players from playing then that is great.
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2015, 06:59:42 PM »

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So much of the rebuild is going to hinge on how good or bad the Nets are for the next 3 seasons. Given the situation they're in, I think we have a real chance at drafting a star with one of their picks. The biggest problem is just how bad the bottom of the Eastern conference is. It's hard for the Nets to be bad enough (for my liking).
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2015, 09:16:54 PM »

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Disagree we don't need more picks, you have to look at the fact if we have to use all those picks because nobody wants them. IMO we should be looking for proven NBA talent over a bunch of picks.

1. How could a series future events be a fact?
2. If no one wants them, they shouldn't be hard to get right? But seriously, so say any pick has no value is just silly.


As for the discussion on Turner, trading him comes down to how ready both Smart and Crowder are to step up. If Smart runs the O and Crowder starts before they are ready and fail, it's no good for anyone. I'd say unless it's a steal of a deal we might want to hang on to Turner for at least the first half of the season. As much as he's the they guy we'd like to replace, he does deserve a lot of credit for the wins we got last year.

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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2015, 10:08:10 PM »

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Disagree we don't need more picks, you have to look at the fact if we have to use all those picks because nobody wants them. IMO we should be looking for proven NBA talent over a bunch of picks.

1. How could a series future events be a fact?
2. If no one wants them, they shouldn't be hard to get right? But seriously, so say any pick has no value is just silly.


As for the discussion on Turner, trading him comes down to how ready both Smart and Crowder are to step up. If Smart runs the O and Crowder starts before they are ready and fail, it's no good for anyone. I'd say unless it's a steal of a deal we might want to hang on to Turner for at least the first half of the season. As much as he's the they guy we'd like to replace, he does deserve a lot of credit for the wins we got last year.

6 picks couldn't get us Winslow let alone match the value of Kaminsky according to Charlotte. God forbid a player comes along talented then those two. Im pretty sure what we "expect" in return for our picks is way more then the opposing trading team will.

you can't trade 5  possible Avery Bradley's for a Carl Towns. Draft stock equivalency doesnt work that way which was clearly shown this draft.

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As for the discussion on Turner, trading him comes down to how ready both Smart and Crowder are to step up. If Smart runs the O and Crowder starts before they are ready and fail, it's no good for anyone. I'd say unless it's a steal of a deal we might want to hang on to Turner for at least the first half of the season. As much as he's the they guy we'd like to replace, he does deserve a lot of credit for the wins we got last year.

Ideally the Celtics have a future 4-guard rotation of Smart, Rozier, IT and Hunter in the making.  For now, the question whether Smart and/or Rozier are capable of facilitating the offense during the 20-25 minutes IT isn't on the floor.  I believe Crowder has earned the starting SF role because of his tenacious defensive ability; the question at that position is whether either Terrence Jones or James Young is worthy of significant playing time.  Given the uncertainties at both guard and SF, Turner has value as a safety valve at both positions, if only for the near future.

On the other hand, Avery Bradley may be more valuable as a trade chip than as a part of the Celts' long-term future, given his severe limitations on the offensive end of the floor.  Removing him from the overcrowded guard picture opens up more potential development opportunities for Rozier and Hunter.

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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2015, 12:14:33 AM »

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As for the discussion on Turner, trading him comes down to how ready both Smart and Crowder are to step up. If Smart runs the O and Crowder starts before they are ready and fail, it's no good for anyone. I'd say unless it's a steal of a deal we might want to hang on to Turner for at least the first half of the season. As much as he's the they guy we'd like to replace, he does deserve a lot of credit for the wins we got last year.

Ideally the Celtics have a future 4-guard rotation of Smart, Rozier, IT and Hunter in the making.  For now, the question whether Smart and/or Rozier are capable of facilitating the offense during the 20-25 minutes IT isn't on the floor.  I believe Crowder has earned the starting SF role because of his tenacious defensive ability; the question at that position is whether either Terrence Jones or James Young is worthy of significant playing time.  Given the uncertainties at both guard and SF, Turner has value as a safety valve at both positions, if only for the near future.

On the other hand, Avery Bradley may be more valuable as a trade chip than as a part of the Celts' long-term future, given his severe limitations on the offensive end of the floor.  Removing him from the overcrowded guard picture opens up more potential development opportunities for Rozier and Hunter.
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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2015, 02:35:07 AM »

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I'd trade AB Sully Zeller  ET and even IT. Get prospects and picks back and build around Marcus. No matter what we do we will not be contenders and we will def not be favorites.....so become favorites by adding stars and drafting in great positions.

Favrites>contenders>teams that could get lucky and win>fodder>us

We could have 2 top picks in this coming draft. We could draft or trade those picks....

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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2015, 03:56:15 AM »

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I'd trade AB Sully Zeller  ET and even IT. Get prospects and picks back and build around Marcus. No matter what we do we will not be contenders and we will def not be favorites.....so become favorites by adding stars and drafting in great positions.

Favrites>contenders>teams that could get lucky and win>fodder>us

We could have 2 top picks in this coming draft. We could draft or trade those picks....

I think we do this next year
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