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Re: if you were to trade sully
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2015, 12:58:49 PM »

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Sully is a starting PF in the NBA. Why are people talking about keeping him now that we have signed Amir Johnson? Let him move on, we no longer need him.

Re: if you were to trade sully
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2015, 01:04:39 PM »

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Sully is a starting PF in the NBA. Why are people talking about keeping him now that we have signed Amir Johnson? Let him move on, we no longer need him.

So what you're saying is there's no point in having two starter caliber PFs? Hmm...

Re: if you were to trade sully
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2015, 01:12:00 PM »

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For some reason I don't think Sully will want to stay in Boston when he comes a free agent. I don't really have reasoning, just a feeling I have.

I don't live in Boston so I don't know.  Is it because the pizza is inferior there?

Isn't it obvious that he loves the pizza here?
it's the seafood.  not even on an NBA player's salary can anyone afford to eat at Legal Seafood

Re: if you were to trade sully
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2015, 01:14:43 PM »

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Sully is a starting PF in the NBA. Why are people talking about keeping him now that we have signed Amir Johnson? Let him move on, we no longer need him.

So what you're saying is there's no point in having two starter caliber PFs? Hmm...
Having one starting caliber PF and one starting caliber SF surely beats having two PFs and no SFs.
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Re: if you were to trade sully
« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2015, 01:52:37 PM »

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Sully is a starting PF in the NBA. Why are people talking about keeping him now that we have signed Amir Johnson? Let him move on, we no longer need him.

So what you're saying is there's no point in having two starter caliber PFs? Hmm...
Having one starting caliber PF and one starting caliber SF surely beats having two PFs and no SFs.


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Re: if you were to trade sully
« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2015, 02:01:10 PM »

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Sully is a starting PF in the NBA. Why are people talking about keeping him now that we have signed Amir Johnson? Let him move on, we no longer need him.

So what you're saying is there's no point in having two starter caliber PFs? Hmm...

Im saying something has to give. Why would Sully stay playing behind Amir when he can start somewhere else? And why should we wait and see if Sully might be willing to stay in that role? We might as well trade him.

Re: if you were to trade sully
« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2015, 02:04:33 PM »

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Sully is a starting PF in the NBA. Why are people talking about keeping him now that we have signed Amir Johnson? Let him move on, we no longer need him.

So what you're saying is there's no point in having two starter caliber PFs? Hmm...

Im saying something has to give. Why would Sully stay playing behind Amir when he can start somewhere else? And why should we wait and see if Sully might be willing to stay in that role? We might as well trade him.

Restricted free-agency. Also, I forgot where it says that Johnson/Lee have a guaranteed contract next year. They don't.

Re: if you were to trade sully
« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2015, 02:11:22 PM »

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Sully is a starting PF in the NBA. Why are people talking about keeping him now that we have signed Amir Johnson? Let him move on, we no longer need him.

So what you're saying is there's no point in having two starter caliber PFs? Hmm...

Im saying something has to give. Why would Sully stay playing behind Amir when he can start somewhere else? And why should we wait and see if Sully might be willing to stay in that role? We might as well trade him.

Restricted free-agency. Also, I forgot where it says that Johnson/Lee have a guaranteed contract next year. They don't.


Its funny how we want to aquire all the best players in the world and give up none of our players. Its not the time to be worried about our bench. We have two worthy starters in Smart and Amir. The other 3 starting spots need to be upgraded if we want to compete. Who in the hell cares about Sully coming off the bench? We have Olynck, Lee, and Mickey. I dont want to match whatever offer Sully is going to get when he cant even start on our squad. I love Sully, but Ainge chose Amir.

Re: if you were to trade sully
« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2015, 02:15:03 PM »

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Sully is a starting PF in the NBA. Why are people talking about keeping him now that we have signed Amir Johnson? Let him move on, we no longer need him.

So what you're saying is there's no point in having two starter caliber PFs? Hmm...

Im saying something has to give. Why would Sully stay playing behind Amir when he can start somewhere else? And why should we wait and see if Sully might be willing to stay in that role? We might as well trade him.

Restricted free-agency. Also, I forgot where it says that Johnson/Lee have a guaranteed contract next year. They don't.


Its funny how we want to aquire all the best players in the world and give up none of our players. Its not the time to be worried about our bench. We have two worthy starters in Smart and Amir. The other 3 starting spots need to be upgraded if we want to compete. Who in the hell cares about Sully coming off the bench? We have Olynck, Lee, and Mickey. I dont want to match whatever offer Sully is going to get when he cant even start on our squad. I love Sully, but Ainge chose Amir.

The problem is that Sully has incredibly little impact in our buying power next Summer. Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue here.

Re: if you were to trade sully
« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2015, 02:18:53 PM »

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That's because Satch keeps insisting on his delusional claim that his son is packing the pounds because he has to play center. Well, he didn't really have to play center last season (and he won't next season), and nothing has changed.

Agree, when you can't run up and down the court, does it matter what position you play?  I find both Sully and his Dad are great at the excuses.   "My body does not react to food like others" is a great example instead of manning up and admitting he was unprofessional.   Everything that happens there is always a reason for them and the reason is never them.

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"Whole career" which includes 1) His rookie season, in which he actually played good defense for us, 2) A second year in which he was recovering from his back surgery, and 3) Last year which there was no excuse for, but hopefully fixable explanations.

1)  At no point did he play good defense,  most guys are going to look better playing next to KG.  but he was never a shot blocker, steal machine and he is a guy that other teams target because they know they can score when he is in there.   2)   True enough, but isn't this always a thing with the excuses.   Rookie year, it was his back in the predraft that affected his physical tests (which were bottom five for that draft),   then he was shut down to have back surgery.   Last year, it was out of shape Sully, and having to take time off again.   Don't you get tired of the broken record and littany of excuses.   3)   Agree,  If he would learn to play within himself, and commit to D, get in shape he would be a better option than what many are tossing around on this posts.   I just do not see it happening.    I think he has character defects in that he thinks he is above such things as playing D, getting in shape.  Too big for his own breeches.

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Our team had actually begun to play better BEFORE Sullinger went down, and that occurred just prior to the influx of talent starting with Isaiah Thomas. But of course, we should ignore that stretch because it doesn't jive with the narrative of "Sullinger the useless player".
  Our D got better after he left is what I said.   Prior to his season ending you may recall CBS using him less at the end of games.   You are not going to debunk that one.   A lot of the win streak Sully was sitting the fourth or out.   I admitted that IT was a part of it, I think your discounting the impact of not having a slow guy that does not care out there on D and our ability to have guys who actually stood in front of their man.

When I said "whole career"   I was meaning this was a problem for him during college as well.   People harp about James Young lack of D, at least the kid is clueless.   Sully has a decent basketball IQ, as evidenced from his passing.   He knows he should be playing D, but he does not care.

He has talent.  I love his rebounding, hands and nose for the ball.   I think he should go in the post more as his talent lies there.   But he thinks the sum of his talent is so much, that he can not run, play D, or worry about coming into shape.   CBS said he did not want Robert Upshaw because of the impact he might have on young players, that makes me wonder if Mr. LackofMotivation days might be numbered as well.

Fall will prove, whether he got in shape or not.   Then we will see, how he pans out.   I think even in shape and that video shows it, that his athletic base is poor.   He will still be slow, lethargic but if he helps us I would not mind being wrong, BudweiserCeltic.   I think a lot of his problems like James Young are between the ears.


Re: if you were to trade sully
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2015, 02:25:15 PM »

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That's because Satch keeps insisting on his delusional claim that his son is packing the pounds because he has to play center. Well, he didn't really have to play center last season (and he won't next season), and nothing has changed.

Agree, when you can't run up and down the court, does it matter what position you play?  I find both Sully and his Dad are great at the excuses.   "My body does not react to food like others" is a great example instead of manning up and admitting he was unprofessional.   Everything that happens there is always a reason for them and the reason is never them.

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"Whole career" which includes 1) His rookie season, in which he actually played good defense for us, 2) A second year in which he was recovering from his back surgery, and 3) Last year which there was no excuse for, but hopefully fixable explanations.

1)  At no point did he play good defense,  most guys are going to look better playing next to KG.  but he was never a shot blocker, steal machine and he is a guy that other teams target because they know they can score when he is in there.   2)   True enough, but isn't this always a thing with the excuses.   Rookie year, it was his back in the predraft that affected his physical tests (which were bottom five for that draft),   then he was shut down to have back surgery.   Last year, it was out of shape Sully, and having to take time off again.   Don't you get tired of the broken record and littany of excuses.   3)   Agree,  If he would learn to play within himself, and commit to D, get in shape he would be a better option than what many are tossing around on this posts.   I just do not see it happening.    I think he has character defects in that he thinks he is above such things as playing D, getting in shape.  Too big for his own breeches.

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Our team had actually begun to play better BEFORE Sullinger went down, and that occurred just prior to the influx of talent starting with Isaiah Thomas. But of course, we should ignore that stretch because it doesn't jive with the narrative of "Sullinger the useless player".
  Our D got better after he left is what I said.   Prior to his season ending you may recall CBS using him less at the end of games.   You are not going to debunk that one.   A lot of the win streak Sully was sitting the fourth or out.   I admitted that IT was a part of it, I think your discounting the impact of not having a slow guy that does not care out there on D and our ability to have guys who actually stood in front of their man.

When I said "whole career"   I was meaning this was a problem for him during college as well.   People harp about James Young lack of D, at least the kid is clueless.   Sully has a decent basketball IQ, as evidenced from his passing.   He knows he should be playing D, but he does not care.

He has talent.  I love his rebounding, hands and nose for the ball.   I think he should go in the post more as his talent lies there.   But he thinks the sum of his talent is so much, that he can not run, play D, or worry about coming into shape.   CBS said he did not want Robert Upshaw because of the impact he might have on young players, that makes me wonder if Mr. LackofMotivation days might be numbered as well.

Fall will prove, whether he got in shape or not.   Then we will see, how he pans out.   I think even in shape and that video shows it, that his athletic base is poor.   He will still be slow, lethargic but if he helps us I would not mind being wrong, BudweiserCeltic.   I think a lot of his problems like James Young are between the ears.



Don't have time to address the whole post, but I'll just say this... when our team turned around in his rookie year it was because of Sullinger provided dependable defense off the bench, when Garnett sat down. That was the key, our team was a disaster every time Garnett went to the bench until Sullinger adapted to our team defense concept appropiately. He was featuring one of the best +/- in the league through the stretch, even higher than Garnett's for our team.

I'll read the rest later when I get off work, but wanted to address that particular point.

Re: if you were to trade sully
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2015, 02:26:42 PM »

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Sully is a starting PF in the NBA. Why are people talking about keeping him now that we have signed Amir Johnson? Let him move on, we no longer need him.

So what you're saying is there's no point in having two starter caliber PFs? Hmm...

Im saying something has to give. Why would Sully stay playing behind Amir when he can start somewhere else? And why should we wait and see if Sully might be willing to stay in that role? We might as well trade him.

Restricted free-agency. Also, I forgot where it says that Johnson/Lee have a guaranteed contract next year. They don't.


Its funny how we want to aquire all the best players in the world and give up none of our players. Its not the time to be worried about our bench. We have two worthy starters in Smart and Amir. The other 3 starting spots need to be upgraded if we want to compete. Who in the hell cares about Sully coming off the bench? We have Olynck, Lee, and Mickey. I dont want to match whatever offer Sully is going to get when he cant even start on our squad. I love Sully, but Ainge chose Amir.

The problem is that Sully has incredibly little impact in our buying power next Summer. Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue here.

It seems like a trade is likely to happen. Im not sure why people are hell bent on keeping him while his value is high.

Re: if you were to trade sully
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2015, 02:27:48 PM »

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Sully is a starting PF in the NBA. Why are people talking about keeping him now that we have signed Amir Johnson? Let him move on, we no longer need him.

So what you're saying is there's no point in having two starter caliber PFs? Hmm...

Im saying something has to give. Why would Sully stay playing behind Amir when he can start somewhere else? And why should we wait and see if Sully might be willing to stay in that role? We might as well trade him.

Restricted free-agency. Also, I forgot where it says that Johnson/Lee have a guaranteed contract next year. They don't.


Its funny how we want to aquire all the best players in the world and give up none of our players. Its not the time to be worried about our bench. We have two worthy starters in Smart and Amir. The other 3 starting spots need to be upgraded if we want to compete. Who in the hell cares about Sully coming off the bench? We have Olynck, Lee, and Mickey. I dont want to match whatever offer Sully is going to get when he cant even start on our squad. I love Sully, but Ainge chose Amir.

The problem is that Sully has incredibly little impact in our buying power next Summer. Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue here.

It seems like a trade is likely to happen. Im not sure why people are hell bent on keeping him while his value is high.

Find me a good trade, and we'll talk then.

Re: if you were to trade sully
« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2015, 02:30:38 PM »

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Sully is a starting PF in the NBA. Why are people talking about keeping him now that we have signed Amir Johnson? Let him move on, we no longer need him.

So what you're saying is there's no point in having two starter caliber PFs? Hmm...

Im saying something has to give. Why would Sully stay playing behind Amir when he can start somewhere else? And why should we wait and see if Sully might be willing to stay in that role? We might as well trade him.

Restricted free-agency. Also, I forgot where it says that Johnson/Lee have a guaranteed contract next year. They don't.


Its funny how we want to aquire all the best players in the world and give up none of our players. Its not the time to be worried about our bench. We have two worthy starters in Smart and Amir. The other 3 starting spots need to be upgraded if we want to compete. Who in the hell cares about Sully coming off the bench? We have Olynck, Lee, and Mickey. I dont want to match whatever offer Sully is going to get when he cant even start on our squad. I love Sully, but Ainge chose Amir.

The problem is that Sully has incredibly little impact in our buying power next Summer. Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue here.

It seems like a trade is likely to happen. Im not sure why people are hell bent on keeping him while his value is high.

Find me a good trade, and we'll talk then.

Hopefully, thats what Danny is doing.

Re: if you were to trade sully
« Reply #44 on: July 14, 2015, 02:36:07 PM »

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When Danny Ainge says that he has no qualms about going into the season with the roster at hand, I believe him. And that means that Sully could end up being buried on the bench.

That isn't necessarily as bad as it sounds. He's a restricted free agent that has come off of an injury-shortened season plagued by weigh issues. Playing small minutes will keep his value low and potentially allow us to sign him cheaply next summer after, which could be particularly convenient if David Lee is traded or simply let go.

I think this is poor business practice and could look bad for the organization in the long run. Stashing a player just to lower his value with the intention of signing him lower then he should be?
This will really want to make guys come play for Boston.

Maybe. I didn't mean so much on purpose as I meant it as a potential positive for the team if Sully happens to get beat out by the other bigs on the roster for PT.

I am getting sick of some people acting like this is Little League and everyone has to play. If Sully can't beat out our other bigs, he should ride the pine if Danny can't find a deal that is good for the team.  He's done nothing to prove he deserves playing time and it's not like he's up against the '86 Celtics front court for minutes.