if you were to trade sully

[hodgy03038]

At least he can play. He can rebound. He can do a lot of things.

So could Michael Sweetney.

When was Michael Sweetney able to play and do a lot of things?

90% of everyone on this forum is a James Young apologist and always say he is just 19. So what? Either he can play or he can't. Yet those same people are bashing a guy that has proven he can play well in the NBA - not Maine. And everyone here that bashes him about his weight and eating - I would like to see some your photos to see how fit you bashers are.

[TheFlex]

At least he can play. He can rebound. He can do a lot of things.

So could Michael Sweetney.

 

[TheFlex]

... I'd wait until the trading deadline when his value will be higher.

[Evantime34]

I am getting real tired of all the Sully bashing. At least he can play. He can rebound.

Not defense, behold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnM8W2MHly4

How you do explain our defensive stats going up when he was gone? A 17-13 record not all of that is IT.

This has been a problem thorough out his career

https://tlorc.wordpress.com/2012/01/11/two-late-defensive-mistakes-by-jared-sullinger-hurt-ohio-state/

This illustrates the way Sullinger reacts too slowly to action around him. While his strength allows him to be an average defender when guarding an offensive player in the post, he does not demonstrate the awareness or mobility to be a useful help defender. In this play, he had plenty of time to see Paul curling and rotate into the paint to do a better job of defending without fouling. Instead, he took too long to rotate and fouled Paul on the shot attempt.

These plays demonstrate much of what is wrong with Sullinger’s defense. He is poor on help defense, as he stays in the chest of his man, which causes him to be late on rotations or blocks his teammate from getting past screens. Ohio State still has the best defense (in terms of adjusted defense efficiency) but Sullinger hurts the defense more than he helps it.

https://youtu.be/a839l8Pgc5s?list=UULW-FoW7fY2KEpneV_5wFqw

He does a few things well, but he kills his own team on D.

Sully was drafted at #21 and James Young who should be a permanent resident of Maine now was drafted #17.

    Draymond was drafted at 35, so what?   Who cares where he was drafted if he is going to eat himself out of the league.

I somewhat agree with you on defense, but I think more often than not he wasn't as active in helping as he should be because he was fatigued due to being out of shape.

In that clip he clearly had an assignment to double, but he didn't want to commit too early and leave his man open for a dunk. I don't think that is an indictment on his defense so much as him being asked to do something difficult he isn't used to.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I am getting real tired of all the Sully bashing. At least he can play. He can rebound.

Not defense, behold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnM8W2MHly4

How you do explain our defensive stats going up when he was gone? A 17-13 record not all of that is IT.

This has been a problem thorough out his career

https://tlorc.wordpress.com/2012/01/11/two-late-defensive-mistakes-by-jared-sullinger-hurt-ohio-state/

This illustrates the way Sullinger reacts too slowly to action around him. While his strength allows him to be an average defender when guarding an offensive player in the post, he does not demonstrate the awareness or mobility to be a useful help defender. In this play, he had plenty of time to see Paul curling and rotate into the paint to do a better job of defending without fouling. Instead, he took too long to rotate and fouled Paul on the shot attempt.

These plays demonstrate much of what is wrong with Sullinger’s defense. He is poor on help defense, as he stays in the chest of his man, which causes him to be late on rotations or blocks his teammate from getting past screens. Ohio State still has the best defense (in terms of adjusted defense efficiency) but Sullinger hurts the defense more than he helps it.

https://youtu.be/a839l8Pgc5s?list=UULW-FoW7fY2KEpneV_5wFqw

He does a few things well, but he kills his own team on D.

Sully was drafted at #21 and James Young who should be a permanent resident of Maine now was drafted #17.

    Draymond was drafted at 35, so what?   Who cares where he was drafted if he is going to eat himself out of the league.

I somewhat agree with you on defense, but I think more often than not he wasn't as active in helping as he should be because he was fatigued due to being out of shape.

In that clip he clearly had an assignment to double, but he didn't want to commit too early and leave his man open for a dunk. I don't think that is an indictment on his defense so much as him being asked to do something difficult he isn't used to.

Fatigued might be one thing, but I think he was also lacking focus and proper motivation after the turmoil to the poor start of the season.

He was way better once he returned to injury, not at the level, but a step in the right direction from what we saw from him defensively in his rookie season before needing his back surgery.

[kozlodoev]

When was Michael Sweetney able to play and do a lot of things?

When he didn't weight a million pounds. Have you, in fact, seen Sweetney play at all? He was a  20/10 guy in the Big East, and then had a couple of promising seasons with New York and Chicago before irreversibly eating himself out of the league.

[Jon]

When Danny Ainge says that he has no qualms about going into the season with the roster at hand, I believe him. And that means that Sully could end up being buried on the bench.

That isn't necessarily as bad as it sounds. He's a restricted free agent that has come off of an injury-shortened season plagued by weigh issues. Playing small minutes will keep his value low and potentially allow us to sign him cheaply next summer after, which could be particularly convenient if David Lee is traded or simply let go.

[Celtics4ever]

Fatigued might be one thing, but I think he was also lacking focus and proper motivation after the turmoil to the poor start of the season.

He was way better once he returned to injury, not at the level, but a step in the right direction from what we saw from him defensively in his rookie season before needing his back surgery.

Some of it might be his being overweight, but he shown it throughout his career.   The guy is not a race horse, he is a draft horse.   He does some things well but will never be fast.

Lack of focus and a motivation in a pro, is on the pro when you have a coach like CBS.  It is possible that he was mad at Ainge for not getting him his rim protector.   Ainge promised him one and we got Zeller, whom I like as a decent backup, but he is hardly a rim protector.  For those who do not recall.

http://www.celticsblog.com/2014/5/10/5705862/jared-sullingers-father-satch-hints-that-the-boston-celtics-are-acquire-rim-protector-rockets-asik

I don't imagine Ainge liked reading that either.

When he didn't weight a million pounds. Have you, in fact, seen Michael Sweetney play at all?

  I have .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtcTrHH1i8k

Check out this guy, he really could play before packing on the weight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6u_vjcfhvw

[kozlodoev]

Lack of focus and a motivation in a pro, is on the pro when you have a coach like CBS.  It is possible that he was mad at Ainge for not getting him his rim protector.   Ainge promised him one and we got Zeller, whom I like as a decent backup, but he is hardly a rim protector.  For those who do not recall.

http://www.celticsblog.com/2014/5/10/5705862/jared-sullingers-father-satch-hints-that-the-boston-celtics-are-acquire-rim-protector-rockets-asik

I don't imagine Ainge liked reading that either.

That's because Satch keeps insisting on his delusional claim that his son is packing the pounds because he has to play center. Well, he didn't really have to play center last season (and he won't next season), and nothing has changed.

[jbpats]

When Danny Ainge says that he has no qualms about going into the season with the roster at hand, I believe him. And that means that Sully could end up being buried on the bench.

That isn't necessarily as bad as it sounds. He's a restricted free agent that has come off of an injury-shortened season plagued by weigh issues. Playing small minutes will keep his value low and potentially allow us to sign him cheaply next summer after, which could be particularly convenient if David Lee is traded or simply let go.

I think this is poor business practice and could look bad for the organization in the long run. Stashing a player just to lower his value with the intention of signing him lower then he should be?
This will really want to make guys come play for Boston.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Fatigued might be one thing, but I think he was also lacking focus and proper motivation after the turmoil to the poor start of the season.

He was way better once he returned to injury, not at the level, but a step in the right direction from what we saw from him defensively in his rookie season before needing his back surgery.

Some of it might be his being overweight, but he shown it throughout his career.   The guy is not a race horse, he is a draft horse.   He does some things well but will never be fast.

Lack of focus and a motivation in a pro, is on the pro when you have a coach like CBS.  It is possible that he was mad at Ainge for not getting him his rim protector.   Ainge promised him one and we got Zeller, whom I like as a decent backup, but he is hardly a rim protector.  For those who do not recall.

http://www.celticsblog.com/2014/5/10/5705862/jared-sullingers-father-satch-hints-that-the-boston-celtics-are-acquire-rim-protector-rockets-asik

I don't imagine Ainge liked reading that either.

"Whole career" which includes 1) His rookie season, in which he actually played good defense for us, 2) A second year in which he was recovering from his back surgery, and 3) Last year which there was no excuse for, but hopefully fixable explanations.

I'm counting on a return to point 1), and we saw some of that once he returned from his stress fracture and more importantly during the playoffs, even you have admitted seeing some of the same in the past.

Lack of motivation is a problem, but this is also a young kid and it's something that is addressable... I think the culture of losing we had built since his return got to him a bit, a self fulfilling prophesy of course once you fall into the vicious cycle that gets created while losing.

You also keep pointing at our improvement of play once Sullinger went down, a notion I debunked quite a few times previously. Our team had actually begun to play better BEFORE Sullinger went down, and that occurred just prior to the influx of talent starting with Isaiah Thomas. But of course, we should ignore that stretch because it doesn't jive with the narrative of "Sullinger the useless player".

[LooseCannon]

For some reason I don't think Sully will want to stay in Boston when he comes a free agent. I don't really have reasoning, just a feeling I have.

I don't live in Boston so I don't know.  Is it because the pizza is inferior there?

[MrMorrill]

Sully's 2014/2015 per 36 are pretty decent... 17/10 w/3assists and a block. Not bad... I think he's a solid player, if he gets his playing time this year he should put up decent stats again. The off season is such a bickering time, if the team is +500 and he's playing well you won't see many of these negativity threads. 

[GC003332]

For some reason I don't think Sully will want to stay in Boston when he comes a free agent. I don't really have reasoning, just a feeling I have.

I don't live in Boston so I don't know.  Is it because the pizza is inferior there?

No it is because he doesn't like all the traffic

[elcotte]

For some reason I don't think Sully will want to stay in Boston when he comes a free agent. I don't really have reasoning, just a feeling I have.

I don't live in Boston so I don't know.  Is it because the pizza is inferior there?

Isn't it obvious that he loves the pizza here?