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Re: Our Best Lineup
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2015, 07:26:12 PM »

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Re: Our Best Lineup
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2015, 07:38:10 PM »

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Re: Our Best Lineup
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2015, 07:45:34 PM »

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At this moment, something like this. Some of thing requires special lineups, e.g. Hunter @ SF would be more of a 3 guard lineup with e.g. Smart and Bradley. There's obviously a logjam, so probably the realistic move would be to send Hunter and Young to Maine, and do something about our 5 big men that need minutes...

Smart (30) / Thomas (18)
Bradley (24) / Rozier (12) / Thomas (8) / Hunter (4)
Crowder (24) / Turner (15) / Hunter (8)
Sully (25) / Lee (16) / Olynyk (8)
Johnson (24) / Zeller (15) / Olynyk (9)

Deep Bench
Mickey / Holmes / Jerebko / Young

Odd Men Out
Thornton / Pressey


Re: Our Best Lineup
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2015, 09:03:43 PM »

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At this moment, something like this. Some of thing requires special lineups, e.g. Hunter @ SF would be more of a 3 guard lineup with e.g. Smart and Bradley. There's obviously a logjam, so probably the realistic move would be to send Hunter and Young to Maine, and do something about our 5 big men that need minutes...

Smart (30) / Thomas (18)
Bradley (24) / Rozier (12) / Thomas (8) / Hunter (4)
Crowder (24) / Turner (15) / Hunter (8)
Sully (25) / Lee (16) / Olynyk (8)
Johnson (24) / Zeller (15) / Olynyk (9)

Deep Bench
Mickey / Holmes / Jerebko / Young

Odd Men Out
Thornton / Pressey
David Lee will play a lot more than 16 minutes on this team, and Jerebko will not be buried on the bench. He should at least have Hunter's minutes in your chart. RJH will likely spend time in Maine.

Also, I would consider the pairing of the bigs, so a stretch 4 with an low post guy:
Sully/Amir works or Sully/Zeller. But I don't like Zeller/Amir.

Brad has his work cut out for him.

Re: Our Best Lineup
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2015, 09:43:46 PM »

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Smart (30) / Thomas (18)
Bradley (24) / Rozier (12) / Thomas (8) / Hunter (4)
Crowder (24) / Turner (15) / Hunter (8)
Sully (25) / Lee (16) / Olynyk (8)
Johnson (24) / Zeller (15) / Olynyk (9)

I do not see a scenario where Sully plays less MPG than David Lee.  Stastically he is a bigger star than Sullinger in both rebounding and scoring.

Also, I would point out down the stretch that we had a lot of wins without Sully and play Jerebko.   RPM wise Sully is our worst big.   CBS said we were not going to sacrifice defensive versatility when Sully tried to come back which ought to show you that he does not trust him on D. 

https://www.facebook.com/tvabby/posts/874984722540132

Also, why would he laud Brandon Bass's diet if not to take a shot at Sully a few days ago.

Jerebko and Olynyk were often played together at the end of games.  I think a Jerebko/Amir would spread the floor have size and the best defense at the end of games.   I do not see that combo starting though.  Stevens plays who is playing well and that varies from game to game.   If a guy is hot he is going to play. 

I think we will see some three guard lineups too with Smart guarding the three.

I really expect Ainge to deal one of the following, ET, Sully or KO.   Ideally, you trade the worst defender of three and that would be Sully who was already shopped around on draft night.   Ainge won't just make a trade to make one though.  He will try to add value to our team. 

Our best lineup may not even be here yet.   Even Ainge himself said he sees the team as fluid right now and subject to change.

Re: Our Best Lineup
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2015, 09:58:39 PM »

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Right now:

Thomas/Smart/Crowder/Olynyk/Johnson

Good mix of offense and defense, even though you could go with Lee or Sully at the 4. Just think Olynyk had the perfect game to put next to Johnson

Re: Our Best Lineup
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2015, 10:34:30 PM »

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I do not see a scenario where Sully plays less MPG than David Lee.  Stastically he is a bigger star than Sullinger in both rebounding and scoring.

Sully averaged 27 mpg the last 2 years, and is going to be a RFA. He's probably our 2nd highest rated young player behind Smart. He's going to play. We won't give his minutes to David Lee, an expiring contract veteran who barely played last year. Maybe if we're going to showcase Lee, but it won't last.

Re: Our Best Lineup
« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2015, 10:38:08 PM »

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I'm afraid Danny's going to keep Turner and Bradley and we'll see Smart - Bradley - Turner - Lee - Johnson as the opening night starting lineup, though.

Me 2. I don't think the best as I stated earlier but you never know. Smart plays well with another ball handler he's almost the perfect combo guard.

Re: Our Best Lineup
« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2015, 10:55:46 PM »

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I do not see a scenario where Sully plays less MPG than David Lee.  Stastically he is a bigger star than Sullinger in both rebounding and scoring.

Sully averaged 27 mpg the last 2 years, and is going to be a RFA. He's probably our 2nd highest rated young player behind Smart. He's going to play. We won't give his minutes to David Lee, an expiring contract veteran who barely played last year. Maybe if we're going to showcase Lee, but it won't last.
I don't buy it. Lee will get plenty of minutes. He might even start.

Re: Our Best Lineup
« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2015, 11:18:58 PM »

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I do not see a scenario where Sully plays less MPG than David Lee.  Stastically he is a bigger star than Sullinger in both rebounding and scoring.

Sully averaged 27 mpg the last 2 years, and is going to be a RFA. He's probably our 2nd highest rated young player behind Smart. He's going to play. We won't give his minutes to David Lee, an expiring contract veteran who barely played last year. Maybe if we're going to showcase Lee, but it won't last.

You gotta wonder if Sullinger or Lee is more likely to be showcased. All depends how Sully shows up to camp I guess. If Lee plays really well, at the deadline he could certainly help a contender and we could probably pull another asset out of a deal, but he's still a 32 year old expiring contract who can't play defense and has no where to trend but down.

OTOH, if Sullinger shows up in shape, ready to play, and he plays really well we could probably get more for him. If Sully shows up ready to put up 16-10 every night he could be the centerpiece to a significant deal by the deadline. 23 year old big man who's still just a RFA with borderline AS level talent. Lee's more likely to reach that value though. Tough choices for Brad ahead.

Could really use a deal to free up this log-jam. Gotta wonder where Ainge is trying to go before finalizing the Lee trade.

Re: Our Best Lineup
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2015, 01:10:15 AM »

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I actually like...

Unit 1:
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C: Amir Johnson
PF: Jonas Jerebko
SF: Jae Crowder
SG: Avery Bradley
PG: Marcus Smart

That's one very athletic and scrappy team that will never get beaten to a loose ball.  Every player can defend multiple positions (excellent P&R coverage) and every guy can step out and hit the three, and it be murder in transition.

My only question is whether this rotation can hold it's own on offence.

I think this roster would really wear down opposite teams with all the switching and physicality on defense...then after the first unit tires them out, the second unit comes and throws all of the punches offensively.

Unit 2A:
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C: David Lee
PF: Kelly Olynyk
SF: Evan Turner
SG: Terry Rozier
PG: Isaiah Thomas

With this lineup you are applying constantly offensive pressure.

You have David Lee, who can either post up (against smaller defensive opponents) or step out and hit the midrange jumper (against bigger/slower frontcourt players). 

You have Olynyk and Thomas - both of those guys are a threat from the three point line and off the dribble, so it's hard to decide how you're going to defend them.  You can't sag off or they'll shoot the three, and you can't play them tight or they'll drive by you. 

You have Turner and Rozier who can create off the dribble and drive right into the heart of the defense, forcing them to collapse - and they can both hit the pullup jumper from midrange if the lane gets clogged.

Every guy in this lineup can also pass the ball, so you'd have a lot of dizzying ball movement.  Drive, dish, drive, dish, drive, dish.  Keep the defense on their toes, until you can generate an inside pass to Lee, or a perimeter shot for Thomas/Olynyk. 


Unit 2B:
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C: David Lee
PF: Kelly Olynyk
SF: Evan Turner
SG: R.J. Hunter
PG: Isaiah Thomas

Basically the same deal as unit 2A, but this is the unit you put in if you want a bit more pressure on the perimeter.  Instead of having three attackers (Turner, Rozier, Thomas) and two shooters (Olynyk, Thomas)  you go with two attackers (Turner and Thomas) and three shooters (Olynyk, Hunter, Thomas).

Still works similar, because you still have 5 skilled passers and ball handlers in the game.

I think these rotations could be an interesting look, and could make us very difficult to gameplan against because the first and second unit are so different.

Unfortunately for these, Sully doesn't really fit either approach.  He's not agile enough defensively, isn't capable enough off the dribble, and isn't dangerous enough from the perimeter, for him to really complement either of these lineups.  He has the skills to fit the "inside man" role on the second unit (like Lee he can rebound, score in the paint, and his the midrange jumper) but the problem is that Lee simply plays all parts of that role better than Sully does.

So Sully kinda becomes...redundant...in these rotations.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2015, 01:22:53 AM by crimson_stallion »

Re: Our Best Lineup
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2015, 01:29:37 AM »

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I do not see a scenario where Sully plays less MPG than David Lee.  Stastically he is a bigger star than Sullinger in both rebounding and scoring.

Sully averaged 27 mpg the last 2 years, and is going to be a RFA. He's probably our 2nd highest rated young player behind Smart. He's going to play. We won't give his minutes to David Lee, an expiring contract veteran who barely played last year. Maybe if we're going to showcase Lee, but it won't last.

You gotta wonder if Sullinger or Lee is more likely to be showcased. All depends how Sully shows up to camp I guess. If Lee plays really well, at the deadline he could certainly help a contender and we could probably pull another asset out of a deal, but he's still a 32 year old expiring contract who can't play defense and has no where to trend but down.

OTOH, if Sullinger shows up in shape, ready to play, and he plays really well we could probably get more for him. If Sully shows up ready to put up 16-10 every night he could be the centerpiece to a significant deal by the deadline. 23 year old big man who's still just a RFA with borderline AS level talent. Lee's more likely to reach that value though. Tough choices for Brad ahead.

Could really use a deal to free up this log-jam. Gotta wonder where Ainge is trying to go before finalizing the Lee trade.

I don't think either guy is going to be 'showcased'.

To be honest, I think the minute are going to go to whichever player have the greatest impact on the winning of games.

If Lee comes in and really makes an impact with his post play and rebounding, plays hard every time, and the Celtics start building a lead.  Then I suspect he'll stay in the game.

If Sully keeps taking bad shots, keeps playing lazy, and doesn't improve his conditioning...then I suspect he'll play less.

And vice versa. 

Ainge and Stevens tasted blood - they made the playoffs.  Now they want more meat.  I anticipate whoweever works the hardest a earn the minutes will get them IMO.

Re: Our Best Lineup
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2015, 03:13:31 AM »

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Best lineup for me would be:

Smart
Bradley
Crowder
Lee
Johnson

6th man - IT4

Olynyk and Zeller right behind IT4, with Turner coming in for Crowder.

I think this is how it will look unless there are more moves. Though I also think/hope Sully is ready to go and pushes for court time.

Re: Our Best Lineup
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2015, 03:21:40 AM »

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I'm curious what do you guys the it will take for us to get a player like MKG?
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Re: Our Best Lineup
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2015, 03:21:53 AM »

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Trade Avery Bradley and Evan Turner for Gallinari..
Trade Kelly Olynyk and Tyler Zeller for Markieff Morris

David Lee              Amir Johnson
Markieff Morris   Jared Sullinger
Danillo Gallinari   Jae Crowder
Marcus Smart      RJ Hunter or James Young
Terry Rozier          Isaiah Thomas

Better balance, better scoring and nice depth... Could be a 5th-6th seed depending on our point guard play and Smarts development.