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Re: Timberwolves continue tank - trade Budinger to Pacers
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2015, 09:26:17 PM »

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I love the wolves team, i think they would excel though if they traded away Pek and Rubio

C- Dieng
PF-Towns
SF-(experienced free agent)
SG- Wiggins
PG- Lavine

6th- Muhammad
7th- Bennett

Can't disagree, but their point guard is Rubio, their shooting guard is Lavine and Wiggins is their small forward. I don't think Bennett is part of their future but I could be wrong.

Not to mention they got KG to mentor the young ones. Perfect teacher for a team filled with young talent. This teams got one of the brightest futures in the league.

Re: Timberwolves continue tank - trade Budinger to Pacers
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2015, 09:55:45 PM »

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I love the wolves team, i think they would excel though if they traded away Pek and Rubio

C- Dieng
PF-Towns
SF-(experienced free agent)
SG- Wiggins
PG- Lavine

6th- Muhammad
7th- Bennett

Can't disagree, but their point guard is Rubio, their shooting guard is Lavine and Wiggins is their small forward. I don't think Bennett is part of their future but I could be wrong.

Not to mention they got KG to mentor the young ones. Perfect teacher for a team filled with young talent. This teams got one of the brightest futures in the league.

Rubio is a spacing nightmare, so overrated he is a poor mans prime Rondo, Lavine is already a great facilitator and can only get better to become Westbrook like pg and i feel Wiggins best position is SG as he doesnt have the weight to bang with other forwards his height and weight remind me of T-Mac or Kobe

Re: Timberwolves continue tank - trade Budinger to Pacers
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2015, 10:03:56 PM »

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Not sure where Budiner were was going to get minutes since they're developing their young players

PG   Ricky Rubio 
   Tyus Jones

SG    Kevin Martin
        Zach Lavine

SF   Andrew Wiggins
   Shabazz Muhammad
        Anthony Bennett (some PF too)
   
PF/C   Gorgui Dieng
   Kevin Garnett
   Adreian Payne
   Nikola Pekovic 
   Karl-Anthony Towns

Re: Timberwolves continue tank - trade Budinger to Pacers
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2015, 10:37:50 PM »

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I'm on my phone, but I follow the TWolves rather intensely (although not as intensely as the Celtics, of course :P). This is by no means a tanking move.

Budinger was almost an almost universal disappointment last year. He was billed as a floor-spacer, but he shot a very mediocre percentage from deep. He also seemed to have lost athleticism, dunking less than once every two games (after dunking about once per game before a knee injury). This post-surgery struggle led many to question his long-term organizational role. Picture Jason Terry when he signed with the Celtics- an expected above-average role player that disappointed.

Last year, the Wolves were decimated by injuries. Muhammed, Pekovic, Rubio, and K-Mart all missed more than half of the season, and I believe Dieng missed all of April and May. Not to mention trading Glenn Robinson III, Mo Williams, Corey Brewer, and Thad Young mid-season. Budinger played the 4th most games and 6th most minutes because the TWolves often had nine or less available players, and many of them were shipped out as the year went by.

Another factor to consider is that the Wolves view Lavine as a SG. With Rubio healthy and Tyus Jones in the fold, that pushes Lavine to second-string two guard (behind Kevin Martin). This pushes Wiggins to his assumed natural SF spot and makes Muhammad the back up. On top of that, the Wolves just signed reigning Euroleague MVP Bjelica, who plays SF/PF. With Towns and Garnett at PF and Pek and Dieng at center, Budinger was, at best, a third-stringer at two positions. That doesn't even mention Payne and Bennett.

Also, the Wolves most likely won't deal Rubio. His on/off differential was astounding, as the Wolves were above .500 with him playing. He also provides positional balance.



Re: Timberwolves continue tank - trade Budinger to Pacers
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2015, 10:49:20 PM »

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I love the wolves team, i think they would excel though if they traded away Pek and Rubio

C- Dieng
PF-Towns
SF-(experienced free agent)
SG- Wiggins
PG- Lavine

6th- Muhammad
7th- Bennett

Can't disagree, but their point guard is Rubio, their shooting guard is Lavine and Wiggins is their small forward. I don't think Bennett is part of their future but I could be wrong.

Not to mention they got KG to mentor the young ones. Perfect teacher for a team filled with young talent. This teams got one of the brightest futures in the league.

Rubio is a spacing nightmare, so overrated he is a poor mans prime Rondo, Lavine is already a great facilitator and can only get better to become Westbrook like pg and i feel Wiggins best position is SG as he doesnt have the weight to bang with other forwards his height and weight remind me of T-Mac or Kobe
I think a lot of people snooze on what Rubio brings to the table. He can't shoot from outside - true, but he does everything else. He is a very good distributor, rebounder, and a decent defender, and unlike Rondo he can actually make 80%+ free throws.

I think Rubio is going to help the Wolves double their win total this year. Keeping him around this season is smart. It will let Levine and Jones develop, and if one/both proves they are PG of the future then trade Rubio next summer.

Budinger isn't a tank trade. Going into this season he'd be like the 11th or 12th most important player on the team. He doesn't fit in anymore so they are dumping him.

I think in March we will still be speculating about possibly getting the T'Wolves 2016 1st rounder because of their improvement.

Re: Timberwolves continue tank - trade Budinger to Pacers
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2015, 10:49:40 PM »

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continue to tank? I don't think the T'Wolves were tanking last year. They're just not ready to win a lot of games yet, but they have a bright future with Wiggins and Towns.
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Re: Timberwolves continue tank - trade Budinger to Pacers
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2015, 10:58:46 PM »

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more like youth movement...Budinger isn't old, but I think it opens up more minutes for the young guys

Re: Timberwolves continue tank - trade Budinger to Pacers
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2015, 11:02:52 PM »

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continue to tank? I don't think the T'Wolves were tanking last year. They're just not ready to win a lot of games yet, but they have a bright future with Wiggins and Towns.

I know what you're saying (and I agree, losing games =/= tanking) but this is hilarious.
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Re: Timberwolves continue tank - trade Budinger to Pacers
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2015, 11:17:53 PM »

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This is not tanking

It would be tanking if they got rid of pekovic, Rubio, Martin and any other solid vets
That said they still will not make the playoffs with their vets anyways

Their too in experienced+  towns, dieng, wiggins and Lavine still need time to develop

Re: Timberwolves continue tank - trade Budinger to Pacers
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2015, 07:45:51 AM »

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continue to tank? I don't think the T'Wolves were tanking last year. They're just not ready to win a lot of games yet, but they have a bright future with Wiggins and Towns.
So you trade your best player, a guy that led you to a respectable 40 wins in the West for the worst #1 pick in NBA history and a highly sought after prospect that never played a game in the NBA to end up with the worst record in the NBA and land the #1 pick in the draft and you aren't tanking. 

So to recap, the Wolves now have the last three #1 picks on their roster, two of which they got by trading away their anchor and by far their best player who was just entering his prime, which resulted in them landing the third.  But they aren't tanking.  Got it.
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Re: Timberwolves continue tank - trade Budinger to Pacers
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2015, 07:51:22 AM »

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continue to tank? I don't think the T'Wolves were tanking last year. They're just not ready to win a lot of games yet, but they have a bright future with Wiggins and Towns.
So you trade your best player, a guy that led you to a respectable 40 wins in the West for the worst #1 pick in NBA history and a highly sought after prospect that never played a game in the NBA to end up with the worst record in the NBA and land the #1 pick in the draft and you aren't tanking. 

So to recap, the Wolves now have the last three #1 picks on their roster, two of which they got by trading away their anchor and by far their best player who was just entering his prime, which resulted in them landing the third.  But they aren't tanking.  Got it.

Their best player wanted to leave. Should they have let him leave for nothing?
this tanking logic is flawed.
You're implying that any team that wants to rebuild through the draft is tanking.
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Re: Timberwolves continue tank - trade Budinger to Pacers
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2015, 08:19:47 AM »

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continue to tank? I don't think the T'Wolves were tanking last year. They're just not ready to win a lot of games yet, but they have a bright future with Wiggins and Towns.
So you trade your best player, a guy that led you to a respectable 40 wins in the West for the worst #1 pick in NBA history and a highly sought after prospect that never played a game in the NBA to end up with the worst record in the NBA and land the #1 pick in the draft and you aren't tanking. 

So to recap, the Wolves now have the last three #1 picks on their roster, two of which they got by trading away their anchor and by far their best player who was just entering his prime, which resulted in them landing the third.  But they aren't tanking.  Got it.

Their best player wanted to leave. Should they have let him leave for nothing?
this tanking logic is flawed.
You're implying that any team that wants to rebuild through the draft is tanking.
No I am saying that any team that trades away their best player and the vast majority of their veterans, many of which they got nothing of value in return for is tanking.  Had Pek and Martin not been injured, they would have traded them as well. 

Love, Brewer, Williams, Neal, and now Budinger all gone in span of less than a year.  All replaced with unproven rookies are players that are no longer on the team and which directly led to Minnesota being the worst team in the league and landing the #1 pick in the draft.
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Re: Timberwolves continue tank - trade Budinger to Pacers
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2015, 08:20:54 AM »

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I wouldn't say it's them tanking as much as it is they are creating more minutes for Wiggins and Muhammad because they are better than Budinger.

Good trade for the Pacers. Adding some nice role players to put next to George.
Wiggins started every game last year for the Wolves and Muhammad is a SG.  Budinger was a quality bench player.  they didn't need to move him to create more minutes for those two.  It was a move to save money and they got nothing of value at all in return.

We just let Brandon Bass - who was first in games, second in points and third in minutes for us - walk for nothing. Are we tanking too?

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« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2015, 08:37:36 AM »

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Celtics have the Timberwolves pick (top 12 protected).. They are pretty good so this pick is a possibility....

Re: Timberwolves continue tank - trade Budinger to Pacers
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2015, 09:08:01 AM »

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I wouldn't say it's them tanking as much as it is they are creating more minutes for Wiggins and Muhammad because they are better than Budinger.

Good trade for the Pacers. Adding some nice role players to put next to George.
Wiggins started every game last year for the Wolves and Muhammad is a SG.  Budinger was a quality bench player.  they didn't need to move him to create more minutes for those two.  It was a move to save money and they got nothing of value at all in return.

We just let Brandon Bass - who was first in games, second in points and third in minutes for us - walk for nothing. Are we tanking too?
Bass was replaced with a quality veteran PF in free agency. 
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