The Pelicans and Gentry want Anthony Davis to Develop into a 3 pt Shooter

[knuckleballer]

If your big guy who is awesome at rebounding can shoot 40% from 3, great.  Otherwise, I want him closer to the rim so that he can... you know, rebound.  Am I crazy or is that basic basketball philosophy?

Is it better to have your big guy who is awesome at rebounding shoot 40% from three and have your 2 guard who can't rebound at the basket, or have your 2 guard shot 33% from three and have your awesome rebounder at the basket.  Hmmm...

Let me do some math, if both players take 100 3s, awesome rebound dude would make 21 more points.  How many of the 77 rebounds from not so awesome 2 guard would he get.  Maybe 35?  Lets say 20.  If he scores on just half of those with put backs that would be 20 pts.  That leaves 10 possessions to get one basket.  Even the Celtic's Summer League team could do that.... maybe.

The thing is, Davis won't shoot 40% and they probably have someone else who can hit better than 33% anyway.  Especially when they are getting open looks because Davis is a beast around the paint. 

To me it is silly to move him outside, but what do I know about basketball strategy.

I agree it is silly to move him outside.  It's highly unlikely he will be an elite 3 point shooter.  Even still, he is too dominant in the paint to move him outside.

I was trying to mock the notion, but maybe it didn't come through.

[tarheelsxxiii]

He commands a double in the post, bigs can't rotate off him of he's anywhere near the paint for fear of a lob, and he'd then be able drag 5s out to 3?

Can't think of anyone that has spaced the floor as well as he would be able to.

[BornReady]

If he develops a 3P shot he would be unstoppable
The crazy thing is
Judging by his shot mechanics, it is not out of question for him to become an above average 3P shooter

[D.o.s.]

Pffftt.....

Thank God that Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Chief, McHale, KG, Cowens, Moses, Mailman, Admiral  and other HOF-Caliber Bigs did not develop a Three Pointer, LOL.

SMH.

Just my two cents. The ramblings of an "Old Head" that yearns for more (and misses) Traditional play from our current crop of Bigs.

Don't get me wrong - I love watching Marc Gasol, Pau (especially CHI-Pau), Horford, Brooke, and DeAndre play. But I'm a bit disappointed that AD, whom I consider to be the future of Big Men in the NBA - is being sent out to the perimeter like this.

Some would argue "The Three-Point shot is "just" another weapon for current Bigs to use." But I just don't agree with this move with AD.

In the 90's some of these Bigs did develop mid-range and even "Deep Twos" as part of their arsenal. The game did seem to change somewhat as far as Bigs during that era. Arvydas Sabonis was a TRUE GEM - even the 80's during his prime. Man could hit from ANYWHERE, but could destroy opponents down low, too.

He destroyed our Olympic Team, and was the main reason the U.S. went with its best.

Shaq happened and not many Bigs wanted to rumble down there with him. Can't blame them too much. But then I look at Dikembe and how HE rumbled with Shaq, being almost rail-thin - but Mount Mutumbo did not develop a Three Point shot to not have to deal with Shaq.

Yao Ming had a great all-around game and gets HUGE respect from me, too - while healthy HE rumbled with Shaq. He could hit from deep and had a nice J, but he did a good amount of battling DOWN LOW.

Just getting tired of seeing these Bigs shooting J's like Guards. The game is changing.

I'm sure there were people in the 90's that were still allergic to the idea of a 3 point shot, even though it has been around basketball nearly since the sport was invented.

Unfortunately not all of them have died off yet, and some of them still pollute discussions about this wonderful sport with their outmoded ignorance to this day.

[danglertx]

If your big guy who is awesome at rebounding can shoot 40% from 3, great.  Otherwise, I want him closer to the rim so that he can... you know, rebound.  Am I crazy or is that basic basketball philosophy?

Is it better to have your big guy who is awesome at rebounding shoot 40% from three and have your 2 guard who can't rebound at the basket, or have your 2 guard shot 33% from three and have your awesome rebounder at the basket.  Hmmm...

Let me do some math, if both players take 100 3s, awesome rebound dude would make 21 more points.  How many of the 77 rebounds from not so awesome 2 guard would he get.  Maybe 35?  Lets say 20.  If he scores on just half of those with put backs that would be 20 pts.  That leaves 10 possessions to get one basket.  Even the Celtic's Summer League team could do that.... maybe.

The thing is, Davis won't shoot 40% and they probably have someone else who can hit better than 33% anyway.  Especially when they are getting open looks because Davis is a beast around the paint. 

To me it is silly to move him outside, but what do I know about basketball strategy.

I agree it is silly to move him outside.  It's highly unlikely he will be an elite 3 point shooter.  Even still, he is too dominant in the paint to move him outside.

I was trying to mock the notion, but maybe it didn't come through.

I got it, I was just expounding on your take for those who look at it in a more binary way.  Totally with ya.

[GreenFaith1819]

Pffftt.....

Thank God that Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Chief, McHale, KG, Cowens, Moses, Mailman, Admiral  and other HOF-Caliber Bigs did not develop a Three Pointer, LOL.

SMH.

Just my two cents. The ramblings of an "Old Head" that yearns for more (and misses) Traditional play from our current crop of Bigs.

Don't get me wrong - I love watching Marc Gasol, Pau (especially CHI-Pau), Horford, Brooke, and DeAndre play. But I'm a bit disappointed that AD, whom I consider to be the future of Big Men in the NBA - is being sent out to the perimeter like this.

Some would argue "The Three-Point shot is "just" another weapon for current Bigs to use." But I just don't agree with this move with AD.

In the 90's some of these Bigs did develop mid-range and even "Deep Twos" as part of their arsenal. The game did seem to change somewhat as far as Bigs during that era. Arvydas Sabonis was a TRUE GEM - even the 80's during his prime. Man could hit from ANYWHERE, but could destroy opponents down low, too.

He destroyed our Olympic Team, and was the main reason the U.S. went with its best.

Shaq happened and not many Bigs wanted to rumble down there with him. Can't blame them too much. But then I look at Dikembe and how HE rumbled with Shaq, being almost rail-thin - but Mount Mutumbo did not develop a Three Point shot to not have to deal with Shaq.

Yao Ming had a great all-around game and gets HUGE respect from me, too - while healthy HE rumbled with Shaq. He could hit from deep and had a nice J, but he did a good amount of battling DOWN LOW.

Just getting tired of seeing these Bigs shooting J's like Guards. The game is changing.

I'm sure there were people in the 90's that were still allergic to the idea of a 3 point shot, even though it has been around basketball nearly since the sport was invented.

Unfortunately not all of them have died off yet, and some of them still pollute discussions about this wonderful sport with their outmoded ignorance to this day.

Ok.

So, please be clear...no innuendos, sly remarks, half-truths - that seem to reside on this Blog here lately.

So - I assume - you find my posts to be "outmoded ignorance".

I'll wait to see if you can answer me directly before I proceed.

[danglertx]

Pffftt.....

Thank God that Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Chief, McHale, KG, Cowens, Moses, Mailman, Admiral  and other HOF-Caliber Bigs did not develop a Three Pointer, LOL.

SMH.

Just my two cents. The ramblings of an "Old Head" that yearns for more (and misses) Traditional play from our current crop of Bigs.

Don't get me wrong - I love watching Marc Gasol, Pau (especially CHI-Pau), Horford, Brooke, and DeAndre play. But I'm a bit disappointed that AD, whom I consider to be the future of Big Men in the NBA - is being sent out to the perimeter like this.

Some would argue "The Three-Point shot is "just" another weapon for current Bigs to use." But I just don't agree with this move with AD.

In the 90's some of these Bigs did develop mid-range and even "Deep Twos" as part of their arsenal. The game did seem to change somewhat as far as Bigs during that era. Arvydas Sabonis was a TRUE GEM - even the 80's during his prime. Man could hit from ANYWHERE, but could destroy opponents down low, too.

He destroyed our Olympic Team, and was the main reason the U.S. went with its best.

Shaq happened and not many Bigs wanted to rumble down there with him. Can't blame them too much. But then I look at Dikembe and how HE rumbled with Shaq, being almost rail-thin - but Mount Mutumbo did not develop a Three Point shot to not have to deal with Shaq.

Yao Ming had a great all-around game and gets HUGE respect from me, too - while healthy HE rumbled with Shaq. He could hit from deep and had a nice J, but he did a good amount of battling DOWN LOW.

Just getting tired of seeing these Bigs shooting J's like Guards. The game is changing.

I'm sure there were people in the 90's that were still allergic to the idea of a 3 point shot, even though it has been around basketball nearly since the sport was invented.

Unfortunately not all of them have died off yet, and some of them still pollute discussions about this wonderful sport with their outmoded ignorance to this day.

Did you just say the three point shot has been around nearly since the sport was invented?  It is very seldom that I'm stunned on the forums, but that stunned me.

That might have been the single dumbest post I've seen on these forums along with the rest of it that should probably get you banned.  Good job.

[knuckleballer]

If your big guy who is awesome at rebounding can shoot 40% from 3, great.  Otherwise, I want him closer to the rim so that he can... you know, rebound.  Am I crazy or is that basic basketball philosophy?

Is it better to have your big guy who is awesome at rebounding shoot 40% from three and have your 2 guard who can't rebound at the basket, or have your 2 guard shot 33% from three and have your awesome rebounder at the basket.  Hmmm...

Let me do some math, if both players take 100 3s, awesome rebound dude would make 21 more points.  How many of the 77 rebounds from not so awesome 2 guard would he get.  Maybe 35?  Lets say 20.  If he scores on just half of those with put backs that would be 20 pts.  That leaves 10 possessions to get one basket.  Even the Celtic's Summer League team could do that.... maybe.

The thing is, Davis won't shoot 40% and they probably have someone else who can hit better than 33% anyway.  Especially when they are getting open looks because Davis is a beast around the paint. 

To me it is silly to move him outside, but what do I know about basketball strategy.

I agree it is silly to move him outside.  It's highly unlikely he will be an elite 3 point shooter.  Even still, he is too dominant in the paint to move him outside.

I was trying to mock the notion, but maybe it didn't come through.

I got it, I was just expounding on your take for those who look at it in a more binary way.  Totally with ya.

Also, rather than shooting hundreds of 3s a day to develop the shot, how about about shooting hundreds of shots a day from the elbow and working on the rest of his game.  I think his time could be better spent on other parts of his game.  Become great at the things he's already good at.

[D.o.s.]

The ABL adopted the three pointer in 1961. The NBA was barely 15 years old, and I think most people assume the birth of basketball proper lies the birth of the NBA -- since most people don't know about, for example, the Original Celtics (based in New York). If you're being a literal Naismithian about it, the three comes much later, but so does dribbling. And not playing in a steel cage.

I don't see that post as particularly banworthy, but sorry that it rustled your jimmies.

Pffftt.....

Thank God that Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Chief, McHale, KG, Cowens, Moses, Mailman, Admiral  and other HOF-Caliber Bigs did not develop a Three Pointer, LOL.

SMH.

Just my two cents. The ramblings of an "Old Head" that yearns for more (and misses) Traditional play from our current crop of Bigs.

Don't get me wrong - I love watching Marc Gasol, Pau (especially CHI-Pau), Horford, Brooke, and DeAndre play. But I'm a bit disappointed that AD, whom I consider to be the future of Big Men in the NBA - is being sent out to the perimeter like this.

Some would argue "The Three-Point shot is "just" another weapon for current Bigs to use." But I just don't agree with this move with AD.

In the 90's some of these Bigs did develop mid-range and even "Deep Twos" as part of their arsenal. The game did seem to change somewhat as far as Bigs during that era. Arvydas Sabonis was a TRUE GEM - even the 80's during his prime. Man could hit from ANYWHERE, but could destroy opponents down low, too.

He destroyed our Olympic Team, and was the main reason the U.S. went with its best.

Shaq happened and not many Bigs wanted to rumble down there with him. Can't blame them too much. But then I look at Dikembe and how HE rumbled with Shaq, being almost rail-thin - but Mount Mutumbo did not develop a Three Point shot to not have to deal with Shaq.

Yao Ming had a great all-around game and gets HUGE respect from me, too - while healthy HE rumbled with Shaq. He could hit from deep and had a nice J, but he did a good amount of battling DOWN LOW.

Just getting tired of seeing these Bigs shooting J's like Guards. The game is changing.

I'm sure there were people in the 90's that were still allergic to the idea of a 3 point shot, even though it has been around basketball nearly since the sport was invented.

Unfortunately not all of them have died off yet, and some of them still pollute discussions about this wonderful sport with their outmoded ignorance to this day.

Ok.

So, please be clear...no innuendos, sly remarks, half-truths - that seem to reside on this Blog here lately.

So - I assume - you find my posts to be "outmoded ignorance".

I'll wait to see if you can answer me directly before I proceed.

No? I was talking about people who actually effect basketball strategy, like coaches, etc. I am thinking of the Lionel Hollins and Mark Jackson types.

[danglertx]

The ABL adopted the three pointer in 1961. The NBA was barely 15 years old, and I think most people assume the birth of basketball proper lies the birth of the NBA -- since most people don't know about, for example, the Original Celtics (based in New York). If you're being a literal Naismithian about it, the three comes much later, but so does dribbling.

I don't see that post as particularly banworthy, but sorry that it rustled your jimmies.

Pffftt.....

Thank God that Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Chief, McHale, KG, Cowens, Moses, Mailman, Admiral  and other HOF-Caliber Bigs did not develop a Three Pointer, LOL.

SMH.

Just my two cents. The ramblings of an "Old Head" that yearns for more (and misses) Traditional play from our current crop of Bigs.

Don't get me wrong - I love watching Marc Gasol, Pau (especially CHI-Pau), Horford, Brooke, and DeAndre play. But I'm a bit disappointed that AD, whom I consider to be the future of Big Men in the NBA - is being sent out to the perimeter like this.

Some would argue "The Three-Point shot is "just" another weapon for current Bigs to use." But I just don't agree with this move with AD.

In the 90's some of these Bigs did develop mid-range and even "Deep Twos" as part of their arsenal. The game did seem to change somewhat as far as Bigs during that era. Arvydas Sabonis was a TRUE GEM - even the 80's during his prime. Man could hit from ANYWHERE, but could destroy opponents down low, too.

He destroyed our Olympic Team, and was the main reason the U.S. went with its best.

Shaq happened and not many Bigs wanted to rumble down there with him. Can't blame them too much. But then I look at Dikembe and how HE rumbled with Shaq, being almost rail-thin - but Mount Mutumbo did not develop a Three Point shot to not have to deal with Shaq.

Yao Ming had a great all-around game and gets HUGE respect from me, too - while healthy HE rumbled with Shaq. He could hit from deep and had a nice J, but he did a good amount of battling DOWN LOW.

Just getting tired of seeing these Bigs shooting J's like Guards. The game is changing.

I'm sure there were people in the 90's that were still allergic to the idea of a 3 point shot, even though it has been around basketball nearly since the sport was invented.

Unfortunately not all of them have died off yet, and some of them still pollute discussions about this wonderful sport with their outmoded ignorance to this day.

Ok.

So, please be clear...no innuendos, sly remarks, half-truths - that seem to reside on this Blog here lately.

So - I assume - you find my posts to be "outmoded ignorance".

I'll wait to see if you can answer me directly before I proceed.

No? I was talking about people who actually effect basketball strategy, like coaches, etc.

You think most people think basketball started with the NBA?  Surely you are kidding.

[hpantazo]

Pffftt.....

Thank God that Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Chief, McHale, KG, Cowens, Moses, Mailman, Admiral  and other HOF-Caliber Bigs did not develop a Three Pointer, LOL.

SMH.

Just my two cents. The ramblings of an "Old Head" that yearns for more (and misses) Traditional play from our current crop of Bigs.

Don't get me wrong - I love watching Marc Gasol, Pau (especially CHI-Pau), Horford, Brooke, and DeAndre play. But I'm a bit disappointed that AD, whom I consider to be the future of Big Men in the NBA - is being sent out to the perimeter like this.

Some would argue "The Three-Point shot is "just" another weapon for current Bigs to use." But I just don't agree with this move with AD.

In the 90's some of these Bigs did develop mid-range and even "Deep Twos" as part of their arsenal. The game did seem to change somewhat as far as Bigs during that era. Arvydas Sabonis was a TRUE GEM - even the 80's during his prime. Man could hit from ANYWHERE, but could destroy opponents down low, too.

He destroyed our Olympic Team, and was the main reason the U.S. went with its best.

Shaq happened and not many Bigs wanted to rumble down there with him. Can't blame them too much. But then I look at Dikembe and how HE rumbled with Shaq, being almost rail-thin - but Mount Mutumbo did not develop a Three Point shot to not have to deal with Shaq.

Yao Ming had a great all-around game and gets HUGE respect from me, too - while healthy HE rumbled with Shaq. He could hit from deep and had a nice J, but he did a good amount of battling DOWN LOW.

Just getting tired of seeing these Bigs shooting J's like Guards. The game is changing.

I'm sure there were people in the 90's that were still allergic to the idea of a 3 point shot, even though it has been around basketball nearly since the sport was invented.

Unfortunately not all of them have died off yet, and some of them still pollute discussions about this wonderful sport with their outmoded ignorance to this day.

Did you just say the three point shot has been around nearly since the sport was invented?  It is very seldom that I'm stunned on the forums, but that stunned me.

That might have been the single dumbest post I've seen on these forums along with the rest of it that should probably get you banned.  Good job.

Especially in a Celtics forum!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Oe7u0Cvs4

[D.o.s.]

^that video is categorically wrong.

@ danglertx I'm not sure why you're ignoring the rest of my post? When we talk about basketball, we typically use the NBA timeline? Regardless, I've explained my point, I hope.

[GreenFaith1819]

Pffftt.....

Thank God that Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Chief, McHale, KG, Cowens, Moses, Mailman, Admiral  and other HOF-Caliber Bigs did not develop a Three Pointer, LOL.

SMH.

Just my two cents. The ramblings of an "Old Head" that yearns for more (and misses) Traditional play from our current crop of Bigs.

Don't get me wrong - I love watching Marc Gasol, Pau (especially CHI-Pau), Horford, Brooke, and DeAndre play. But I'm a bit disappointed that AD, whom I consider to be the future of Big Men in the NBA - is being sent out to the perimeter like this.

Some would argue "The Three-Point shot is "just" another weapon for current Bigs to use." But I just don't agree with this move with AD.

In the 90's some of these Bigs did develop mid-range and even "Deep Twos" as part of their arsenal. The game did seem to change somewhat as far as Bigs during that era. Arvydas Sabonis was a TRUE GEM - even the 80's during his prime. Man could hit from ANYWHERE, but could destroy opponents down low, too.

He destroyed our Olympic Team, and was the main reason the U.S. went with its best.

Shaq happened and not many Bigs wanted to rumble down there with him. Can't blame them too much. But then I look at Dikembe and how HE rumbled with Shaq, being almost rail-thin - but Mount Mutumbo did not develop a Three Point shot to not have to deal with Shaq.

Yao Ming had a great all-around game and gets HUGE respect from me, too - while healthy HE rumbled with Shaq. He could hit from deep and had a nice J, but he did a good amount of battling DOWN LOW.

Just getting tired of seeing these Bigs shooting J's like Guards. The game is changing.

I'm sure there were people in the 90's that were still allergic to the idea of a 3 point shot, even though it has been around basketball nearly since the sport was invented.

Unfortunately not all of them have died off yet, and some of them still pollute discussions about this wonderful sport with their outmoded ignorance to this day.

Did you just say the three point shot has been around nearly since the sport was invented?  It is very seldom that I'm stunned on the forums, but that stunned me.

That might have been the single dumbest post I've seen on these forums along with the rest of it that should probably get you banned.  Good job.

This one shocks me, too - from a poster whom I've come to respect a lot for their insight.

It is easy to overlook, ignore, ridicule me - I'm just a soon-to-be 46 year old man that happens to love the old days...old music...old ways.

But when posts like THIS are made, it is a direct challenge to my way of thought.

I won't back down.

[D.o.s.]

Again, not trying to inflame posters or insinuate that that is the case. Also, you're only 45, in which case this wouldn't apply to you either way.

Apologies if it did.

But, to give another example: there is a reason why it took ages for NBA teams to widely adopt the pick and roll, which was conceived (IIRC) in the 70's despite it's effectiveness -- and a large part of that came from stodgy coaches who refuse to adapt to new ways of thinking.

[danglertx]

I think when you say it is unfortunate a people of a certain age, which isn't actually very long ago, aren't dead yet... yeah....

Personally I don't care, but it was an all around ignorant post, disrespectful, and in my opinion not in line with the rules of the forums.  But I'm just an old guy of 43, what do I know.