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Re: C's targetting a SF?
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2015, 09:42:57 AM »

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Now, so that I don't hijack the thread or take it off the OP's rails and onto a James Young rail....

Are the C's targeting a SF? I think the answer is "not necessarily"
The Cs are quite simply looking for ways to (a) get better players and (b) acquire assets, and I would argue it is regardless of the position that these players play.
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Re: C's targetting a SF?
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2015, 09:44:05 AM »

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Jackson was a free agent.  He was signed in free agency.  It's a new contract, not an extension.  Davis, Lillard, and Drummon are not free agents and thus only eligible for extensions, which is why they should not be compared with Jackson.

It's semantics, but I hate to be wrong. Jackson was a restricted free agent, but he signed an "extension" with his own team. That is, of course, different than Drummond, who doesn't have that option yet.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/07/05/detroit-pistons-reggie-jackson/29752173/

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/617873845161037824


Re: C's targetting a SF?
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2015, 09:45:19 AM »

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With the way James Young is playing right now, I think they would sooner want Chris Babb. Doubt Utah has any interest in trading Hayward anyway.

Chris Johnson is a better player than Young or Babb.

Re: C's targetting a SF?
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2015, 09:45:48 AM »

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Now, so that I don't hijack the thread or take it off the OP's rails and onto a James Young rail....

Are the C's targeting a SF? I think the answer is "not necessarily"
The Cs are quite simply looking for ways to (a) get better players and (b) acquire assets, and I would argue it is regardless of the position that these players play.

I'm sure that's true, but at some point you can only play so many guys with the same skillset and physical profile.

The Celts seem to be in "win-now while preserving future cap" mode at the moment.  That being the case, adding some skilled wings is important because the team has a lot of waste in the backcourt and frontcourt and not much in the way of NBA-caliber wing players. 

This despite the fact that NBA teams rely more than ever on rangy wings that can shoot the three and cover multiple positions.
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Re: C's targetting a SF?
« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2015, 02:47:28 PM »

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Jackson was a free agent.  He was signed in free agency.  It's a new contract, not an extension.  Davis, Lillard, and Drummon are not free agents and thus only eligible for extensions, which is why they should not be compared with Jackson.

It's semantics, but I hate to be wrong. Jackson was a restricted free agent, but he signed an "extension" with his own team. That is, of course, different than Drummond, who doesn't have that option yet.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/07/05/detroit-pistons-reggie-jackson/29752173/

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/617873845161037824

A couple of things:

1) You're losing the point of the semantics by not quoting upwards.  The suggestion was that Drummond would be available because he might somehow be angry that Jackson got a new contract before him.  The point being that Jackson was a free agent, so it's not surprising he'd get taken care of first.

2) it was not an extension, by NBA lingo.  Wok is imprecise with CBA terms, especially on Twitter.  And the Freep.. Well, they're imprecise in a lot of their sports coverage, and I'll leave it at that.  But an extension, in NBA language, and really contractual language, is an addition to a previous contract.  Jackson is no longer under contract with Detroit, and is free to negotiate with any team.  Any new deal is not an extension.  Also, this is important in the CBA, as there are only specific times extensions can be signed.  For a rookie deal, it is after the third year of the rookie contract is up, from July 9th (tomorrow) until October 31st.  Jackson did not sign such an extension last year with OKC when he was eligible, because they could not come to an agreement.  So he entered restricted free agency, and remained with the Pistons, who used his Bird rights to give him a fifth year in his contract.  Drummond is eligible to sign an extension between now and Halloween.  Because of the massive projected cap spike next year, I'd be surprised if he came to an agreement with the Pistons before next summer.

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« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2015, 03:01:48 PM »

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Pointing out that Reggie Jackson signed a new contract versus an extension isn't really a matter of semantics. Aside from everything saltlover already pointed out, waiting until next summer to re-sign Drummond will offer Detroit considerably more flexibility in free agency as they would only have his cap hold on the books as opposed to a new contract.

Put it this way: if Kawhi Leonard had signed an extension for the same figures last year that he agreed to on his new deal this year, the Spurs wouldn't have had the cap space to pursue LaMarcus Aldridge.

Re: C's targetting a SF?
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2015, 04:16:12 PM »

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Going back to "Targeting a SF," one of the few competent ones remaining on the free agent market is Gerald Green.  Good old Gerald.

Wouldn't be surprised if Ainge tries to do a S+T for him.
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Re: C's targetting a SF?
« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2015, 04:20:04 PM »

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With the way James Young is playing right now, I think they would sooner want Chris Babb. Doubt Utah has any interest in trading Hayward anyway.

Chris Johnson is a better player than Young or Babb.
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Re: C's targetting a SF?
« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2015, 04:23:21 PM »

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Going back to "Targeting a SF," one of the few competent ones remaining on the free agent market is Gerald Green.  Good old Gerald.

Wouldn't be surprised if Ainge tries to do a S+T for him.

What kind of contract does a guy like Gerald Green command? I personally think we can do better than him via trade.

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« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2015, 04:24:25 PM »

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You mean you guys don't have faith in Jae Crowder?
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« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2015, 04:34:50 PM »

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Wilson Chandler seems like a good target via the Prince TPE. A shame he's not much of a playmaker.

A Batum or Tyreke Evans type that posed an upgrade from Evan Turner would be ideal. Don't think there are many out there that could be had.
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« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2015, 04:41:16 PM »

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Going back to "Targeting a SF," one of the few competent ones remaining on the free agent market is Gerald Green.  Good old Gerald.

Wouldn't be surprised if Ainge tries to do a S+T for him.

Perhaps he can serve as a useful mentor to James Young, providing helpful tips on "how to go from utter disaster to serviceable NBA player by the eighth year of one's career."

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« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2015, 04:42:09 PM »

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You mean you guys don't have faith in Jae Crowder?
  I like his D, grit and leadership but I don't trust his offense.   Do you think he is a quality starter?

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« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2015, 04:47:55 PM »

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You mean you guys don't have faith in Jae Crowder?
I think he starts next year and improves. However, I really like him at the 4 when we go small. It would be nice to be able to have a small ball lineup that is something like Smart, Bradley, Crowder, Chandler, Johnson That is a really good strong defensive lineup
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Re: C's targetting a SF?
« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2015, 04:47:57 PM »

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Going back to "Targeting a SF," one of the few competent ones remaining on the free agent market is Gerald Green.  Good old Gerald.

Wouldn't be surprised if Ainge tries to do a S+T for him.

Perhaps he can serve as a useful mentor to James Young, providing helpful tips on "how to go from utter disaster to serviceable NBA player by the eighth year of one's career."

Step One: Win the dunk contest

Step Two: Leave the league for a few years

Step Three: Windmill dunk on three Rockets at once