Herald: Orlando willing to match contract, Celtics end pursuit of Tobias Harris

[gpap]

I would just make a deal with Brooklyn to get Joe Johnson and play him at SF

I know he's 33, but he can still play and would give us a veteran presence

Something like Avery and Wallace for Joe Johnson and Jarrett Jack

Isaiah is our starting PG with Smart at SG, Johnson at SF and Jack as our back-up PG (or maybe flip Jack and Isaiah.)

Joe Johnson is TERRIBLE. No way. Why take that salary off the Brooklyn books to allow them to get better. That would be addition by subtraction for them. Really not too good of an offer.

Johnson 14.4 PPG/4.8 RBG/ 3.7 APG .435 FG%

Owed 25.9 MILLION next year!!!!!


Turner is better.

No he's not and you're not doing Brooklyn any favors.

Johnson only has one year left and is a very good player.

Oh, Turner is DEFINITELY not better.

In fact, if you really want Brooklyn to be bad, include Turner in this deal to Brooklyn

It's absolutely ridiculous. Why do you think they are trying hard to trade him and they will get NO takers? He's 33 and over the hill. He is a half-court player that would never fit in to Brad's system. 25.9 million next year means that he has 2 years on his contract. That's Kobe money or LeBron money. He is not very good any more but I will take some of whatever you are smoking.

Oh right, I forgot.

In order to be on this team, you have to be a ….wait for it…..a "Brad Stevens guy."

[gpap]

I would just make a deal with Brooklyn to get Joe Johnson and play him at SF

I know he's 33, but he can still play and would give us a veteran presence

Something like Avery and Wallace for Joe Johnson and Jarrett Jack

Isaiah is our starting PG with Smart at SG, Johnson at SF and Jack as our back-up PG (or maybe flip Jack and Isaiah.)

Joe Johnson is TERRIBLE. No way. Why take that salary off the Brooklyn books to allow them to get better. That would be addition by subtraction for them. Really not too good of an offer.

Johnson 14.4 PPG/4.8 RBG/ 3.7 APG .435 FG%

Owed 25.9 MILLION next year!!!!!


Turner is better.

No he's not and you're not doing Brooklyn any favors.

Johnson only has one year left and is a very good player.

Oh, Turner is DEFINITELY not better.

In fact, if you really want Brooklyn to be bad, include Turner in this deal to Brooklyn

This trade doesnt work with salaries. Bradley and Wallace make a combined18 million Jack and Joe make a combined 32 Million. We dont have 14 mil in crap salaries to make this work.

Now the logical  thing would be to take out Jarret Jacks 6 million from the equation but that also doesnt make sense because the trade still doesnt work and now you lose the trade because you trade a cost controlled 24 year old player for an expiring 34 year old player who is arguably not as good of a player in the first place(yes I know you probably think JJ is better but the fact is arguable)

It checked out on NBA Real GM Trade Checker

[hodgy03038]

I would just make a deal with Brooklyn to get Joe Johnson and play him at SF

I know he's 33, but he can still play and would give us a veteran presence

Something like Avery and Wallace for Joe Johnson and Jarrett Jack

Isaiah is our starting PG with Smart at SG, Johnson at SF and Jack as our back-up PG (or maybe flip Jack and Isaiah.)

Joe Johnson is TERRIBLE. No way. Why take that salary off the Brooklyn books to allow them to get better. That would be addition by subtraction for them. Really not too good of an offer.

Johnson 14.4 PPG/4.8 RBG/ 3.7 APG .435 FG%

Owed 25.9 MILLION next year!!!!!


Turner is better.

No he's not and you're not doing Brooklyn any favors.

Johnson only has one year left and is a very good player.

Oh, Turner is DEFINITELY not better.

In fact, if you really want Brooklyn to be bad, include Turner in this deal to Brooklyn

It's absolutely ridiculous. Why do you think they are trying hard to trade him and they will get NO takers? He's 33 and over the hill. He is a half-court player that would never fit in to Brad's system. 25.9 million next year means that he has 2 years on his contract. That's Kobe money or LeBron money. He is not very good any more but I will take some of whatever you are smoking.

Oh right, I forgot.

In order to be on this team, you have to be a ….wait for it…..a "Brad Stevens guy."

Well he is the coach and they are playing a fast paced running style so you think that they should slow it down for the 33 yr old and watch him dribble around to get open and launch a shot up? How's his defense? Hmmm - pretty much gotta play defense on this team. And have I mentioned next year's salary? C'mon - admit it - terrible offer but at least you are trying to come up with something.

[krumeto]

To get back to the initial topic, if Orlando is matching everything, why haven't they signed him already?

If Harris is unwilling to play for them in the long run, why not do some sign and trade now? The alternative would be him playing for the QO and leaving them with nothing Monroe-style.

It is very, very quiet and there are some desperate teams out there. I'd expect at least one max offer on the table. The Lakers need to get somebody or it will be a total bust of an offseason. I'd expect them to at least submit an offer. Not to mention us.

[gpap]

Honestly, as much I'd love to have Harris here, my interest is starting to wane with each passing day.

Mostly because I don't believe he ends up here. If he did, something would've happened by now.

Didn't Bulpett say the Celts are out of the running?

Can't believe I am saying this but at this point I'd rather just go after Gerald Green.

We'd have less hoops to jump through and he'd be cheaper (not that I care who's cheaper or more expensive, I just want the more talented player, but you get the idea.)

The only thing I'd hate about Green is his defense would probably suck but at this point, I guess beggars can't be choosers.

[ThaPreacher]

Honestly, as much I'd love to have Harris here, my interest is starting to wane with each passing day.

Mostly because I don't believe he ends up here. If he did, something would've happened by now.

Didn't Bulpett say the Celts are out of the running?

Can't believe I am saying this but at this point I'd rather just go after Gerald Green.

We'd have less hoops to jump through and he'd be cheaper (not that I care who's cheaper or more expensive, I just want the more talented player, but you get the idea.)

The only thing I'd hate about Green is his defense would probably suck but at this point, I guess beggars can't be choosers.

Green can play Scoring Guard and small forward. 2years at3 mil with a team option for the 3rd year at 5 mil.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I personally feel that if Harris hasn't made a commitment to someone by the end of Moratorium, I think Ainge (if he's actually interested in him) will get back in the game.

The problem with RFA is that if you commit to him now, you're giving Magic about 9-10 days to think about the decision to make, and you're stuck during that time without entertaining other ideas.

So if the Moratorium ends, and Ainge is interested, I think he'll get back into the discussion.

But we'll see.

[hwangjini_1]

Honestly, as much I'd love to have Harris here, my interest is starting to wane with each passing day.

Mostly because I don't believe he ends up here. If he did, something would've happened by now.

Didn't Bulpett say the Celts are out of the running?

Can't believe I am saying this but at this point I'd rather just go after Gerald Green.

We'd have less hoops to jump through and he'd be cheaper (not that I care who's cheaper or more expensive, I just want the more talented player, but you get the idea.)

The only thing I'd hate about Green is his defense would probably suck but at this point, I guess beggars can't be choosers.

at that point i would rather go with james young and see what he can do.

[ssspence]

Just seems to me they should work out a sign-and-trade. But in all likelihood the guy goes the Greg Monroe route -- plays for the QO and becomes a UFA next year.

[cltc5]

I personally feel that if Harris hasn't made a commitment to someone by the end of Moratorium, I think Ainge (if he's actually interested in him) will get back in the game.

The problem with RFA is that if you commit to him now, you're giving Magic about 9-10 days to think about the decision to make, and you're stuck during that time without entertaining other ideas.

So if the Moratorium ends, and Ainge is interested, I think he'll get back into the discussion.

But we'll see.

Yep.  I think Danny's playing the waiting game.  Who's gonna blink first.

[colincb]

Of course, there is still the issue that he doesn't want to play there, under Skiles.

So look for Orlando to try to trade him at some point.

Wasn't that theory debunked? I think they in good terms...

I do see sign and trade opportunity though for sure.

According to Steve Kyler of basketball Insiders who is close to ORL, he says that's not the issue. The issue is that management has never really embraced him and that Kyler thought that Harris might not get matched even though it was apparent that he should be matched given the current state of cap economics. Could be a S&T possibility, however, the Magic's biggest problem is scoring and that's our biggest problem. Without IT's scoring last year, we're a sub-500 team again.

[Ilikesports17]

I personally feel that if Harris hasn't made a commitment to someone by the end of Moratorium, I think Ainge (if he's actually interested in him) will get back in the game.

The problem with RFA is that if you commit to him now, you're giving Magic about 9-10 days to think about the decision to make, and you're stuck during that time without entertaining other ideas.

So if the Moratorium ends, and Ainge is interested, I think he'll get back into the discussion.

But we'll see.

Yep.  I think Danny's playing the waiting game.  Who's gonna blink first.

I hope so. I think he could be a nice add.

[colincb]

One possibility is that someone will cook up an offer that would be hard to match, but ORL really seems to have enough cap to play that game if it wants.

Also, when Bulpett said that the Cs were not pursuing names they were being associated with, I took that to mean Monroe and Robin Lopez.  Danny's pretty much keeping flexibility for next year when he could get two max-max guys. Needs to show continuing internal improvement too.

[Robb]

To get back to the initial topic, if Orlando is matching everything, why haven't they signed him already?

Because they don't need to.  If they want him at the max, they could, but they can always do that, so it makes more sense to see if he would agree to something less for someone else and then just match it.  Easy way to save money.

[BudweiserCeltic]

gary washburn @GwashburnGlobe
League sources say #Magic fully intend to match any offer sheet for Tobias Harris, meaning interested teams such as #celtics unlikely to bid