Bullpett :C'S not offering max for Harris, Saving cap for bigger moves.......

[barefacedmonk]

EDIT: wrong thread

[NYDan]

I am more than ok with no max offer for Harris. I would like to sign him at a more reasonable contract or work out a S+T if possible. Not sure how many suitors there are for his services or just how keen the Magic are on paying him long term.

[Forza Juventus]

KG and Allen was unique and likely won't happen again. There are less bad GMs now. McHalen, a bad GM and friend of Ainge traded us KG and we had a top young player in Al Jefferson. The soon to be moving to OKC, Seattle traded us Allen when they were tanking. And with the cap going up there will likely be no Harden situations either.

Why will there be no Harden situations?  Why have GMs all gotten better?  Didn't we just do the Net trade in the last couple years?  Didn't Jordan turn down 4 firsts and two seconds to draft almost certainly a role player?  Yeah I don't buy any of this.

The offer to Charlotte was over rated. They should have picked Winslow but offering middle-late picks for the 9th pick is not a godfather offer at all. I explained why there wouldn't be a lot of Harden situations and OKC got rightfully panned for the trade. Plus if there was a Harden situation someone would probably just offer a top young player. And the Brooklyn trade was because they were moving to a new arena. I hope we find the opportunities that the Celtics seem so confident will present themselves but I just don't see it. I'm done buying the lies.

[Neurotic Guy]

Steve Bulpett ?@SteveBHoop 19m19 minutes ago

Important: Reason C's not pursuing some FA isn't because they don't like them, but b/c can't afford them and stay in line for bigger move.

HAHAHBAHAHAHAHAHAHAH What big moves , such nonsense

.... the big moves are in the future?  Is that really confusing?

"Big Moves" = The New Fireworks

It's just another attempt at fan appeasement.

Draft was a failure.  SO far, this offseason has been a massive failure.   I'm losing faith.  With the additions of Jerebko and Johnson, we don't even have enough money to even offer a max contract.  Depending on what Jae Crowder gets, matching him might wrap up this entire offseason.  So you're basically swapping Bass for Johnson and punting on the season.

Funny how people can see the same picture and conclude something completely different.  The Johnson and Jerebko signings are a great relief to me.   I was really worried Danny was going to sign a couple of 2nd tier FAs to long-term max(ish) deals.  Instead, he signs two decent players who'll provide important dimensions to the current team on short-term deals with a non-guarantee in year 2.  I think it's brilliant.

Yes -- ABSOLUTELY punting on the upcoming season.  This is another growth year, not a year for contention (we're only 2 years into the re-build).

In 2015-16 a good half-dozen Celtics will increase their trade value while we look at being a 5-9 seed (depending on how the wind blows) in the East.  Meanwhile Brooklyn falters and Danny uses an improved set of assets with great salary flexibility and a ton of cap space to make serious moves at trade deadline or in summer of '16.

This is Danny being brilliant and patient.

So you're idea of being a genius is staying in the middle. Do you want to get swept again and then lose out on a player like Winslow? People are really letting Ainge off the hook here.

I'm confused -- I don't think I said that being a genius is staying in the middle.  I actually wanted Danny to give Brad a terrible roster last year and get a top 5 pick. But that's not what happened... so, you do have to deal with reality.  The team is a mid-level team who has "stayed in the middle" for one season so far.  Yes, I think they have a team that will be in the middle for another year.  BUT, they also have a team with an unusually high number of tradeable deals and an unusual number of players that could be poised to make value gains over the next season.   I think it's a better plan than signing one or two 2nd tier players to long-term max contracts.  If it turns out that all our 25 and under players have hit their talent ceilings and do not grow in value, then my assessment of the situation will be wrong.

Bro, those same assets got him nothing this year. You need to either tank, or be smart and sign a player like Harden during RFA. Harden wasn't a superstar when he signed, but the Rockets projected he was. Ainge needs to be playing Olynyk and not Johnson for god sakes. Is it too much to ask for him to play the young guys so they can develop? I don't know what the Celtics are doing here.

Doesn't sound like you read either of my posts.

[Snakehead]

KG and Allen was unique and likely won't happen again. There are less bad GMs now. McHalen, a bad GM and friend of Ainge traded us KG and we had a top young player in Al Jefferson. The soon to be moving to OKC, Seattle traded us Allen when they were tanking. And with the cap going up there will likely be no Harden situations either.

Why will there be no Harden situations?  Why have GMs all gotten better?  Didn't we just do the Net trade in the last couple years?  Didn't Jordan turn down 4 firsts and two seconds to draft almost certainly a role player?  Yeah I don't buy any of this.

The offer to Charlotte was over rated. They should have picked Winslow but offering middle-late picks for the 9th pick is not a godfather offer at all. I explained why there wouldn't be a lot of Harden situations and OKC got rightfully panned for the trade. Plus if there was a Harden situation someone would probably just offer a top young player. And the Brooklyn trade was because they were moving to a new arena. I hope we find the opportunities that the Celtics seem so confident will present themselves but I just don't see it. I'm done buying the lies.

Why would the cap going up make no Harden situations?  Players are all just going to get paid more so the situation will still arise.  That makes no sense.

I'll try to get woke in the meantime.

[Forza Juventus]

KG and Allen was unique and likely won't happen again. There are less bad GMs now. McHalen, a bad GM and friend of Ainge traded us KG and we had a top young player in Al Jefferson. The soon to be moving to OKC, Seattle traded us Allen when they were tanking. And with the cap going up there will likely be no Harden situations either.

Why will there be no Harden situations?  Why have GMs all gotten better?  Didn't we just do the Net trade in the last couple years?  Didn't Jordan turn down 4 firsts and two seconds to draft almost certainly a role player?  Yeah I don't buy any of this.

Our roster is a joke. And there are no "bigger moves" coming. I'm done buying the Celtics hype that they sell us every year. Our young players are over rated. Our future picks are over rated. And Ainge is over rated. Stevens is a great coach, but he cares more about his system than getting more talented players. He seems like a nice guy and all but he has an ego. Our ownership group is from Bain Capital. They don't care about me, they don't care about you, they don't care about us, they don't even care about the players, they care about numbers. That's what all this is, numbers. This "asset collection" thing is a very business like thing to do, there are no feelings with this strategy. Same with the "system" that Stevens runs. No feelings, just puzzle pieces. Stevens, Ainge, our ownership group, they are all cut from the same cloth, they all have the same philosophy. As a fan base we have to stop blindly supporting Ainge, Wyc, etc. They are doing bad at their job right now.

Best victim post yet.  You guys really think they aren't trying to do deals or sign real big time free agents?  Unreal.

I guess Ainge is Emperor Palpatine, pulling the wool over your eyes because he wants all your money.  Hopefully I wise up and realize it before my soul is truly lost and I feel the hate flow through me.

Don't put words in my mouth.

Just built off your conspiracy theory.  Thinking Ainge and the Celtics don't care about winning is laughable.

It's not a conspiracy theory. It's money ball and marketing.

[CelticSooner]

If rim protection and blocks is all Ainge wanted in the "bridge" year. He should have gone after Biyombo (where is LarBrd33?)Younger. More athletic. Perhaps has potential CHA was unable to tap. And he wouldn't have cost $12 mil!

He went for the bigger trade chip instead. He's not called trader Danny for nothing...

[Forza Juventus]

KG and Allen was unique and likely won't happen again. There are less bad GMs now. McHalen, a bad GM and friend of Ainge traded us KG and we had a top young player in Al Jefferson. The soon to be moving to OKC, Seattle traded us Allen when they were tanking. And with the cap going up there will likely be no Harden situations either.

Why will there be no Harden situations?  Why have GMs all gotten better?  Didn't we just do the Net trade in the last couple years?  Didn't Jordan turn down 4 firsts and two seconds to draft almost certainly a role player?  Yeah I don't buy any of this.

The offer to Charlotte was over rated. They should have picked Winslow but offering middle-late picks for the 9th pick is not a godfather offer at all. I explained why there wouldn't be a lot of Harden situations and OKC got rightfully panned for the trade. Plus if there was a Harden situation someone would probably just offer a top young player. And the Brooklyn trade was because they were moving to a new arena. I hope we find the opportunities that the Celtics seem so confident will present themselves but I just don't see it. I'm done buying the lies.

Why would the cap going up make no Harden situations?  Players are all just going to get paid more so the situation will still arise.  That makes no sense.

I'll try to get woke in the meantime.

Because there will less fear of repeater tax penalties, and I explained that even if there is a Harden situation there would probably be a better offer.

[barefacedmonk]

If rim protection and blocks is all Ainge wanted in the "bridge" year. He should have gone after Biyombo (where is LarBrd33?)Younger. More athletic. Perhaps has potential CHA was unable to tap. And he wouldn't have cost $12 mil!

He went for the bigger trade chip instead. He's not called trader Danny for nothing...

Yeah, he is living upto to that moniker. Can you direct me to the temple where he is worshiped?

[hwangjini_1]

Steve Bulpett ?@SteveBHoop 19m19 minutes ago

Important: Reason C's not pursuing some FA isn't because they don't like them, but b/c can't afford them and stay in line for bigger move.

HAHAHBAHAHAHAHAHAHAH What big moves , such nonsense

That's Danny's MO.

He's content to just keep collecting "assets" and finding ways to incrementally increase value on the roster until he can make a major move.

Who's going to trade us quality for quantity though?  Just not seeing how or when that'll happen.

yeah. god knows ainge has never put together big talent, quality players. all he does is collect assets and never has used the assets to put together a championship team. so he never will in the future.

geez, pho, you know better than to join the "give me my one marshmellow now" crowd.

[fairweatherfan]

Man, I ducked out of the forums for a couple hours, and if half-baked Chicken Little posts were strawberries, we'd all be drinking smoothies.

[Snakehead]

KG and Allen was unique and likely won't happen again. There are less bad GMs now. McHalen, a bad GM and friend of Ainge traded us KG and we had a top young player in Al Jefferson. The soon to be moving to OKC, Seattle traded us Allen when they were tanking. And with the cap going up there will likely be no Harden situations either.

Why will there be no Harden situations?  Why have GMs all gotten better?  Didn't we just do the Net trade in the last couple years?  Didn't Jordan turn down 4 firsts and two seconds to draft almost certainly a role player?  Yeah I don't buy any of this.

The offer to Charlotte was over rated. They should have picked Winslow but offering middle-late picks for the 9th pick is not a godfather offer at all. I explained why there wouldn't be a lot of Harden situations and OKC got rightfully panned for the trade. Plus if there was a Harden situation someone would probably just offer a top young player. And the Brooklyn trade was because they were moving to a new arena. I hope we find the opportunities that the Celtics seem so confident will present themselves but I just don't see it. I'm done buying the lies.

Why would the cap going up make no Harden situations?  Players are all just going to get paid more so the situation will still arise.  That makes no sense.

I'll try to get woke in the meantime.

Because there will less fear of repeater tax penalties, and I explained that even if there is a Harden situation there would probably be a better offer.

That doesn't change anything actually.  Talented players will always be available.  This isn't going to change.

Your "there will probably be a better offer" thing you're offering as a fact means nothing at all, you realize?  That doesn't invalidate anything.  You're just building an argument to your conspiracy.  I'm not saying we have the best offer right now, but our assets are going to keep growing and we will have many to offer.

[Scintan]

Man, I ducked out of the forums for a couple hours, and if half-baked Chicken Little posts were strawberries, we'd all be drinking smoothies.

Eh..... That cuts both ways.  If half-baked homer posts were strawberries, we could sell them all and be richer than Warren Buffet.

[twistedrico]

I love what Danny has done so far. Second year of Johnson's contract said to be non-guaranteed..we have a ton of picks and assets. This is looking like a great two-year plan.

[PhoSita]

yeah. god knows ainge has never put together big talent, quality players. all he does is collect assets and never has used the assets to put together a championship team. so he never will in the future.

geez, pho, you know better than to join the "give me my one marshmellow now" crowd.

He's done it before and he may do it again.

As I noted in the thread I posted a little while ago, though, it is frustrating to see no clear plan in place aside from "wait and see and hope for a really great opportunity."  Especially since it means we don't have a TEAM to actually get interested in or excited about, just a collection of assets.

I'm sure Brad will coach them up and get them working hard, but how long will that alone excite us?

I'll lead the charge among the "wait for two marshmallows" crowd.  I'm just not clear on how aiming for the status quo is doing that.  If the team can't be improved this summer, fine.  I'm OK with that.  Let's sell off the guys who don't have a future here and play the young guys.  Doesn't look like that's the plan.