Amir Johnson to Celtics

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Anyone else p---ed off about this signing?

Not me.

[PhoSita]

Anyone else p---ed off about this signing?

Not me.

Not mad about the signing itself so much as what it represents for what the team is doing, where it's headed.

I actually like Amir Johnson, in a vacuum, and the contract is a good one.  In a vacuum.

I feel that way about almost everyone on the Celts roster.

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On the worrying side, it looked like Amir might have been slowing down last year.

I hope that is not the case and he was just battling injuries. That he will be back to his best next season. Because this is really going to bite if he is on the downward slope and sliding fast.

He's only 28 for crying out loud!

[PhoSita]

On the worrying side, it looked like Amir might have been slowing down last year.

I hope that is not the case and he was just battling injuries. That he will be back to his best next season. Because this is really going to bite if he is on the downward slope and sliding fast.

He's only 28 for crying out loud!

Guys with his physical profile often don't age too well.

[walker834]

Amir johnson reminds me of a better Chris Wilcox.

[LarBrd33]

snore

What would you do in Ainge's shoes? You're always very dismissive on all the moves we make, but the Sixers and Hinkie could do no wrong. So it'd be nice for you to provide an alternatve, with some actual names.

"Don't expect any big moves"

*Free agency starts*

"This offseason is boring"

*troll complete*

Edit: I think we can ease up on the accusations of him being a Sixers fan though. He's obviously a Celts fan.

I'm not sure about that. He posts a lot, but is he really a fan of the team or any of it's players?

Eddie20... fair point... Yes, I'm a lifelong fan of the Boston Celtics.  No, I'm not that big of a fan of the scrubs on the team right now.  I'm not rushing to the store to buy my Amir Johnson jersey.     I have a right to be disgruntled right now.  This team is irrelevant right now.  This roster isn't even remotely close to contending.   We have whiffed on every attempt to make a significant improvement for two years straight.  It's a tad depressing.   I'm not one for denial.   I wasn't a big fan of the Pierce/Walker treadmill teams either, but there were always some delusional fans who thought we were capable of upsetting the Shaq/Kobe teams if we just managed to sneak into the Finals.  I wasn't one of those people.  That team was mediocre.  This team might not even be mediocre.   We were below .500 last season.  I see a below .500 roster right now.

Okay, but you're absolutely in love with the Sixers.

Eddie... are you going to just keep saying this over and over again?    The frequent accusation makes me think you might be projecting your own emotions here.  Are you a closet 76er fan?  Do you want to tell me how you really feel, buddy?  It's ok... let it all out man...  you have a shoulder to cry on here.

I'm not sure if you're slow or just intentionally ignoring me when I continually respond to your trolling.   It's gotten to the point where people send me PM's asking me of I'm really a 76ers fan.  Seriously?   

To recap:

- I liked Noel well before he was on the 76ers... so did a lot of people here.
- I liked Embiid well before he was on the 76ers... as did Danny Ainge.  He tried to trade up for him.
- I liked Okafor well before he was on the 76ers... as did Danny Ainge.  He tried to trade up for him.

They all ended up on Philly.    All three are better than every chip on our team.  It is what it is, man.    I have repeatedly admitted that I'm jealous of 76er fans.   When news comes out that we tried trading Marcus Smart + several other assets to get the #4 pick, it's depressing knowing Philly had #3.    When news comes out that we tried to give up 6 draft picks to trade up to #9... it's depressing knowing that Philly has three assets that are better than that pick.

I like what they have done there.   It was ballsy.   Most of it is luck... but they have gone all-in on trying to acquire players who have a chance to develop into franchise players.    I wish my own team had 1 cornerstone player.  Philly has 3.   

But to suggest I'm a Philly fan is to suggest I'm a Golden State Warriors fans.   Years ago I was begging for Danny Ainge to trade for Steph Curry... this is when Steph Curry was an injured player averaging 15 points.  I was fully on board with trading Rondo for him.   If i'm a 76ers fan, then I'm also a Golden State fans.   

Years prior, I argued that Chris Paul was a better point guard than Rajon Rondo.   I guess I'm a Clippers fan by your logic?   

Again, I don't believe that being a fan of the Boston Celtics requires me to be delusional.  Amir Johnson is a role player.  We just gave him 12 million dollars.   I'm not particularly excited about it.   If I wanted Amir Johnson on this team, I would have made a post about it... but had I done that, you would have labelled me a Raptors fan. 

Btw Eddie... if you wouldn't trade our entire roster/assets straight up for Philly's roster/assets... you're lying.

Ok, cool. Good job. However, you seemed to have overlooked the rest of my post and failed to answer my questions.

However, the last time the Sixers had a better record than "our team" was during the 06-07 season. So since you know A LOT about both teams what year do you think the Sixers actually break that streak?

Keep in mind that we actually had the second best record in the east after the all-star break last season. This despite having an incredibly ridiculous roster turnover throughout the year. You were also the same guy that forecasted us to win 15 games. You remember, right?

Eddie... Kind of sick of you taking things I'm saying out of context.   I reached out to you privately.  Boston was 6-26 with Rondo on the court back in 2013-14.   Project that out over a full season, that was 15 wins.   I had said that as-is, the roster looked like a 15-25 win team.   We never got to see that roster for a full season... AInge traded away everyone.  So my "forecast" became irrelevant pretty quickly. 

As for Philly... I don't know man... it depends on Embiid's situation and how they fill out that roster.   To me it appears they own 3 of the 6 most coveted big man prospects in the entire league.   If Embiid's healthy, a competent GM can turn them into a playoff team within a couple years.  I don't know how competent Hinkie is.  I'm just jealous that they have golden assets. 

For instance, Boston would probably trade their entire starting lineup for Okafor...   It wouldn't be too hard for Philly to turn into a better version of the Boston Celtics.  They have loftier aspirations than being a treadmill team, though... so look for them to try to form a big 3 of stars one way or the other.
 

[Scintan]

They took Frank Kaminsky.  If you really think he is worth 4 firsts then... good luck.

And again, I didn't move the goalposts.  Trading on draft night has nothing to do with value of our assets in other scenarios.  Trading on draft night is totally different.  Hence why the judging of our assets based off 1) Jordan being a poor GM and 2) draft night trade ups, are short sighted and wrong.

If we waited a year, when Kaminsky looks exactly like he will (solid and that's all) and offered 4 firsts for him, he would be traded in a second.  That's the draft night effect.

The particular player doesn't matter.  All that matters is that it's a specific player.  And, yes, you did move the goalposts.  In fact, what you did was a textbook version of it.

[Who]

2) This immediately makes Sullinger expendable.  I have a feeling teams have not been thrilled with Sully as a trade piece, but Danny had to ask a lot for him because of his age/potential and the fact that Bass might leave.  Then Danny would be forced to overpay for any PF to fill in.

Me too. Combination of (1) Sully's bad conditioning (2) his contract is soon to expire and teams are uncertain how much to pay him because of his bad conditioning vs talent / upside ... and (3) Sully's slow feet and worries about his defense will measure up as the league gets quicker and more perimeter orientated at that PF position ... concerns which Sully has compounded by putting forth less and less effort defensively each year he has been in the league and last year showed himself in a terrible light with his substandard defensive efforts.

[PhoSita]

2) This immediately makes Sullinger expendable.  I have a feeling teams have not been thrilled with Sully as a trade piece, but Danny had to ask a lot for him because of his age/potential and the fact that Bass might leave.  Then Danny would be forced to overpay for any PF to fill in.

Me too. Combination of (1) Sully's bad conditioning (2) his contract is soon to expire and teams are uncertain how much to pay him because of his bad conditioning vs talent / upside ... and (3) Sully's slow feet and worries about his defense will measure up as the league gets quicker and more perimeter orientated at that PF position ... concerns which Sully has compounded by putting forth less and less effort defensively each year he has been in the league and last year showed himself in a terrible light with his substandard defensive efforts.

Nothing I've seen has given me the sense that other teams are terribly thrilled with any of our players as trade pieces.

[walker834]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqY4PvoJKP0

He looks like a guy that can really get up on alleyoops and runs the floor offensively. This was 2011 though, but he hasn't lost anything to my knowledge.  Chris Wilcox was a similar player and had heart issues.

[Eddie20]

snore

What would you do in Ainge's shoes? You're always very dismissive on all the moves we make, but the Sixers and Hinkie could do no wrong. So it'd be nice for you to provide an alternatve, with some actual names.

"Don't expect any big moves"

*Free agency starts*

"This offseason is boring"

*troll complete*

Edit: I think we can ease up on the accusations of him being a Sixers fan though. He's obviously a Celts fan.

I'm not sure about that. He posts a lot, but is he really a fan of the team or any of it's players?

Eddie20... fair point... Yes, I'm a lifelong fan of the Boston Celtics.  No, I'm not that big of a fan of the scrubs on the team right now.  I'm not rushing to the store to buy my Amir Johnson jersey.     I have a right to be disgruntled right now.  This team is irrelevant right now.  This roster isn't even remotely close to contending.   We have whiffed on every attempt to make a significant improvement for two years straight.  It's a tad depressing.   I'm not one for denial.   I wasn't a big fan of the Pierce/Walker treadmill teams either, but there were always some delusional fans who thought we were capable of upsetting the Shaq/Kobe teams if we just managed to sneak into the Finals.  I wasn't one of those people.  That team was mediocre.  This team might not even be mediocre.   We were below .500 last season.  I see a below .500 roster right now.

Okay, but you're absolutely in love with the Sixers.

Eddie... are you going to just keep saying this over and over again?    The frequent accusation makes me think you might be projecting your own emotions here.  Are you a closet 76er fan?  Do you want to tell me how you really feel, buddy?  It's ok... let it all out man...  you have a shoulder to cry on here.

I'm not sure if you're slow or just intentionally ignoring me when I continually respond to your trolling.   It's gotten to the point where people send me PM's asking me of I'm really a 76ers fan.  Seriously?   

To recap:

- I liked Noel well before he was on the 76ers... so did a lot of people here.
- I liked Embiid well before he was on the 76ers... as did Danny Ainge.  He tried to trade up for him.
- I liked Okafor well before he was on the 76ers... as did Danny Ainge.  He tried to trade up for him.

They all ended up on Philly.    All three are better than every chip on our team.  It is what it is, man.    I have repeatedly admitted that I'm jealous of 76er fans.   When news comes out that we tried trading Marcus Smart + several other assets to get the #4 pick, it's depressing knowing Philly had #3.    When news comes out that we tried to give up 6 draft picks to trade up to #9... it's depressing knowing that Philly has three assets that are better than that pick.

I like what they have done there.   It was ballsy.   Most of it is luck... but they have gone all-in on trying to acquire players who have a chance to develop into franchise players.    I wish my own team had 1 cornerstone player.  Philly has 3.   

But to suggest I'm a Philly fan is to suggest I'm a Golden State Warriors fans.   Years ago I was begging for Danny Ainge to trade for Steph Curry... this is when Steph Curry was an injured player averaging 15 points.  I was fully on board with trading Rondo for him.   If i'm a 76ers fan, then I'm also a Golden State fans.   

Years prior, I argued that Chris Paul was a better point guard than Rajon Rondo.   I guess I'm a Clippers fan by your logic?   

Again, I don't believe that being a fan of the Boston Celtics requires me to be delusional.  Amir Johnson is a role player.  We just gave him 12 million dollars.   I'm not particularly excited about it.   If I wanted Amir Johnson on this team, I would have made a post about it... but had I done that, you would have labelled me a Raptors fan. 

Btw Eddie... if you wouldn't trade our entire roster/assets straight up for Philly's roster/assets... you're lying.

Ok, cool. Good job. However, you seemed to have overlooked the rest of my post and failed to answer my questions.

However, the last time the Sixers had a better record than "our team" was during the 06-07 season. So since you know A LOT about both teams what year do you think the Sixers actually break that streak?

Keep in mind that we actually had the second best record in the east after the all-star break last season. This despite having an incredibly ridiculous roster turnover throughout the year. You were also the same guy that forecasted us to win 15 games. You remember, right?

Eddie... Kind of sick of you taking things I'm saying out of context.   I reached out to you privately.  Boston was 6-26 with Rondo on the court back in 2013-14.   Project that out over a full season, that was 15 wins.  I had said that as-is, the roster looked like a 15-25 win team.   We never got to see that roster for a full season... AInge traded away everyone.  So my "forecast" became irrelevant pretty quickly. 

As for Philly... I don't know man... it depends on Embiid's situation and how they fill out that roster.   To me it appears they own 3 of the 6 most coveted big man prospects in the entire league.   If Embiid's healthy, a competent GM can turn them into a playoff team within a couple years.  I don't know how competent Hinkie is.  I'm just jealous that they have golden assets. 

For instance, Boston would probably trade their entire starting lineup for Okafor...   It wouldn't be too hard for Philly to turn into a better version of the Boston Celtics.  They have loftier aspirations than being a treadmill team, though... so look for them to try to form a big 3 of stars one way or the other.

I'm referring to the 14-15 season, not the 13-14 one. With the amount of roster shakeup that occurred, that should've only strengthened your 15 win prediction. Since, you know, everyone on our roster is garbage anyways.

[mctyson]

2) This immediately makes Sullinger expendable.  I have a feeling teams have not been thrilled with Sully as a trade piece, but Danny had to ask a lot for him because of his age/potential and the fact that Bass might leave.  Then Danny would be forced to overpay for any PF to fill in.

Me too. Combination of (1) Sully's bad conditioning (2) his contract is soon to expire and teams are uncertain how much to pay him because of his bad conditioning vs talent / upside ... and (3) Sully's slow feet and worries about his defense will measure up as the league gets quicker and more perimeter orientated at that PF position ... concerns which Sully has compounded by putting forth less and less effort defensively each year he has been in the league and last year showed himself in a terrible light with his substandard defensive efforts.

The signing makes even more sense given the points you raised.  I am really surprised that the people on this board are panning the move so much.  It's a 2 year deal!!  If he doesn't work out that's a $12M salary you can work in a trade.

 

[Who]

2) This immediately makes Sullinger expendable.  I have a feeling teams have not been thrilled with Sully as a trade piece, but Danny had to ask a lot for him because of his age/potential and the fact that Bass might leave.  Then Danny would be forced to overpay for any PF to fill in.

Me too. Combination of (1) Sully's bad conditioning (2) his contract is soon to expire and teams are uncertain how much to pay him because of his bad conditioning vs talent / upside ... and (3) Sully's slow feet and worries about his defense will measure up as the league gets quicker and more perimeter orientated at that PF position ... concerns which Sully has compounded by putting forth less and less effort defensively each year he has been in the league and last year showed himself in a terrible light with his substandard defensive efforts.

Nothing I've seen has given me the sense that other teams are terribly thrilled with any of our players as trade pieces.

Agreed. Except for maybe Olynyk who gets mentioned now and then. Although I am not entirely sure how much I trust those reports. Doesn't seem right to me.

[Rondo9]

2) This immediately makes Sullinger expendable.  I have a feeling teams have not been thrilled with Sully as a trade piece, but Danny had to ask a lot for him because of his age/potential and the fact that Bass might leave.  Then Danny would be forced to overpay for any PF to fill in.

Me too. Combination of (1) Sully's bad conditioning (2) his contract is soon to expire and teams are uncertain how much to pay him because of his bad conditioning vs talent / upside ... and (3) Sully's slow feet and worries about his defense will measure up as the league gets quicker and more perimeter orientated at that PF position ... concerns which Sully has compounded by putting forth less and less effort defensively each year he has been in the league and last year showed himself in a terrible light with his substandard defensive efforts.

Nothing I've seen has given me the sense that other teams are terribly thrilled with any of our players as trade pieces.

I'm pretty sure they are, but not at the price Danny wants.

[mctyson]

2) This immediately makes Sullinger expendable.  I have a feeling teams have not been thrilled with Sully as a trade piece, but Danny had to ask a lot for him because of his age/potential and the fact that Bass might leave.  Then Danny would be forced to overpay for any PF to fill in.

Me too. Combination of (1) Sully's bad conditioning (2) his contract is soon to expire and teams are uncertain how much to pay him because of his bad conditioning vs talent / upside ... and (3) Sully's slow feet and worries about his defense will measure up as the league gets quicker and more perimeter orientated at that PF position ... concerns which Sully has compounded by putting forth less and less effort defensively each year he has been in the league and last year showed himself in a terrible light with his substandard defensive efforts.

Nothing I've seen has given me the sense that other teams are terribly thrilled with any of our players as trade pieces.

I think teams would love to get Marcus Smart.  My guess is that a lot of teams asked for him, and he is the one player Danny doesn't want to part with.  I think he tried to mix in Sully/KO and more picks instead.