The Official 'Time For Someone To Apologize' Thread

[sawick48]

so it's 1116 eastern, free agency starts in some 40 some odd minutes, figure now's as good a time as any to open this floodgate and see what happens.....

since joining these boards there have been 2 camps:

1 - the majority - Boston can and will attract high quality, elite free agents, they just never have before because they've never had cap space, now watch Danny work his magic, we'll end up with SOMEONE elite signing here

2 - the minority - this city is not attractive to the elite free agents and if your sights are set high, you're probably setting yourself up for a disappointment, as we watch our gm overpay to acquire at best midlevel talent


i've been staunchly in the minority, and have taken my lumps for it, but i guess time will soon tell for sure.  we have Danny, we have allllll that cap space, we have a great coach, a young roster.....only thing left to find out is if that's enough to entice the premier free agents on the market to play for tradition and join our cause for #18, or not.


my official prediction:
we overpay but ultimately land Harris at something like $60/4
same for Amir Johnson at around $21/3

the majority talks themselves into this being a victory because look we had cap space and we acquired people, even though everyone knows the sights around here as early as a month ago were set at Love, Monroe, and maybe even LMA

hope i'm wrong.  would be nice if i'm wrong.  but i don't think i'm wrong.

[Lucky17]

So, if Lamarcus Aldridge or Kevin Love decide to sign with, say, San Antonio and Cleveland -- two teams that are closer to championship contention than Boston -- you'll blame geography?

[hwangjini_1]

so it's 1116 eastern, free agency starts in some 40 some odd minutes, figure now's as good a time as any to open this floodgate and see what happens.....

since joining these boards there have been 2 camps:

1 - the majority - Boston can and will attract high quality, elite free agents, they just never have before because they've never had cap space, now watch Danny work his magic, we'll end up with SOMEONE elite signing here

2 - the minority - this city is not attractive to the elite free agents and if your sights are set high, you're probably setting yourself up for a disappointment, as we watch our gm overpay to acquire at best midlevel talent


i've been staunchly in the minority, and have taken my lumps for it, but i guess time will soon tell for sure.  we have Danny, we have allllll that cap space, we have a great coach, a young roster.....only thing left to find out is if that's enough to entice the premier free agents on the market to play for tradition and join our cause for #18, or not.


my official prediction:
we overpay but ultimately land Harris at something like $60/4
same for Amir Johnson at around $21/3

the majority talks themselves into this being a victory because look we had cap space and we acquired people, even though everyone knows the sights around here as early as a month ago were set at Love, Monroe, and maybe even LMA

hope i'm wrong.  would be nice if i'm wrong.  but i don't think i'm wrong.

you plan to take one event as the basis for assessing and making final judgement on a lengthy and complicated process? you might want to reconsider the wisdom of such a choice.

[Celts Fan 508]

so it's 1116 eastern, free agency starts in some 40 some odd minutes, figure now's as good a time as any to open this floodgate and see what happens.....

since joining these boards there have been 2 camps:

1 - the majority - Boston can and will attract high quality, elite free agents, they just never have before because they've never had cap space, now watch Danny work his magic, we'll end up with SOMEONE elite signing here

2 - the minority - this city is not attractive to the elite free agents and if your sights are set high, you're probably setting yourself up for a disappointment, as we watch our gm overpay to acquire at best midlevel talent


i've been staunchly in the minority, and have taken my lumps for it, but i guess time will soon tell for sure.  we have Danny, we have allllll that cap space, we have a great coach, a young roster.....only thing left to find out is if that's enough to entice the premier free agents on the market to play for tradition and join our cause for #18, or not.


my official prediction:
we overpay but ultimately land Harris at something like $60/4
same for Amir Johnson at around $21/3

the majority talks themselves into this being a victory because look we had cap space and we acquired people, even though everyone knows the sights around here as early as a month ago were set at Love, Monroe, and maybe even LMA

hope i'm wrong.  would be nice if i'm wrong.  but i don't think i'm wrong.

That is not an overpay at all, I would be ecstatic if he signed with the Celts.

[sawick48]

sooooooo when's a good time to decide it then? if/when we actually do sign an elite level FA? for months these boards were rampant with the idea that we could absolutely get a Love, a Monroe, etc.  it's only going to be more difficult to beat out the other teams in the coming years with the rising cap, so, in short, yea, I would say this offseason is as good a time as any to declare whether or not the majority has a leg to stand on.

if we can sway Love or Butler or any of those top level guys to come here, great (and don't hone in on the Butler example, i realize he's a rfa, i'm making a larger point, feel free to replace his name with DeAndre Jordan's).  but there is absolutely truth to be made in the favor of the minority camp if we strike out on any of those top level talents. 

and actually, it may be the perfect offseason to decide such a scenario.  we are going virtually head to head with a franchise that has little over us except for the geography/night life argument in the Lakers, and they certainly seem to have no issue getting their name firmly in the mix for the top level guys.  but sure, it must be something other than the unattractiveness of Boston to the top level guys that is keeping them from signing here? nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnaaaaaa

[sawick48]

so it's 1116 eastern, free agency starts in some 40 some odd minutes, figure now's as good a time as any to open this floodgate and see what happens.....

since joining these boards there have been 2 camps:

1 - the majority - Boston can and will attract high quality, elite free agents, they just never have before because they've never had cap space, now watch Danny work his magic, we'll end up with SOMEONE elite signing here

2 - the minority - this city is not attractive to the elite free agents and if your sights are set high, you're probably setting yourself up for a disappointment, as we watch our gm overpay to acquire at best midlevel talent


i've been staunchly in the minority, and have taken my lumps for it, but i guess time will soon tell for sure.  we have Danny, we have allllll that cap space, we have a great coach, a young roster.....only thing left to find out is if that's enough to entice the premier free agents on the market to play for tradition and join our cause for #18, or not.


my official prediction:
we overpay but ultimately land Harris at something like $60/4
same for Amir Johnson at around $21/3

the majority talks themselves into this being a victory because look we had cap space and we acquired people, even though everyone knows the sights around here as early as a month ago were set at Love, Monroe, and maybe even LMA

hope i'm wrong.  would be nice if i'm wrong.  but i don't think i'm wrong.

That is not an overpay at all, I would be ecstatic if he signed with the Celts.

i would like it myself, but it's absolutely an overpay.  the guy has done nothing to prove he's the well rounded type of player worthy of a max contract.  but that's what we'd have to do to sign him to get him to come here and i'd absolutely be willing to.

make no mistake, i'm really not trying to troll or be anti-celtic in any way here.  i'm just trying to be the voice of reason (or the devil's advocate if it's a better suit) for all the high optimism and shooting for the stars around here.  and i'm not saying that's even a bad thing!  but it seems anyone that expresses that minority opinion finds themselves udner attack for it and having to defend it whereas the opposite may not be true, at least not to the extent i've seen.

[jdz101]

so it's 1116 eastern, free agency starts in some 40 some odd minutes, figure now's as good a time as any to open this floodgate and see what happens.....

since joining these boards there have been 2 camps:

1 - the majority - Boston can and will attract high quality, elite free agents, they just never have before because they've never had cap space, now watch Danny work his magic, we'll end up with SOMEONE elite signing here

2 - the minority - this city is not attractive to the elite free agents and if your sights are set high, you're probably setting yourself up for a disappointment, as we watch our gm overpay to acquire at best midlevel talent


i've been staunchly in the minority, and have taken my lumps for it, but i guess time will soon tell for sure.  we have Danny, we have allllll that cap space, we have a great coach, a young roster.....only thing left to find out is if that's enough to entice the premier free agents on the market to play for tradition and join our cause for #18, or not.


my official prediction:
we overpay but ultimately land Harris at something like $60/4
same for Amir Johnson at around $21/3

the majority talks themselves into this being a victory because look we had cap space and we acquired people, even though everyone knows the sights around here as early as a month ago were set at Love, Monroe, and maybe even LMA

hope i'm wrong.  would be nice if i'm wrong.  but i don't think i'm wrong.

That is not an overpay at all, I would be ecstatic if he signed with the Celts.

i would like it myself, but it's absolutely an overpay.  the guy has done nothing to prove he's the well rounded type of player worthy of a max contract.  but that's what we'd have to do to sign him to get him to come here and i'd absolutely be willing to.

remember in 2019-2020 the cap is looking like around 102 mill with 124 mill luxury tax.

15 million for someone like harris or middleton now is not really the same impact on the cap in a couple of years. Never mind if they sign a 4 or 5 year deal.

[Celts Fan 508]

so it's 1116 eastern, free agency starts in some 40 some odd minutes, figure now's as good a time as any to open this floodgate and see what happens.....

since joining these boards there have been 2 camps:

1 - the majority - Boston can and will attract high quality, elite free agents, they just never have before because they've never had cap space, now watch Danny work his magic, we'll end up with SOMEONE elite signing here

2 - the minority - this city is not attractive to the elite free agents and if your sights are set high, you're probably setting yourself up for a disappointment, as we watch our gm overpay to acquire at best midlevel talent


i've been staunchly in the minority, and have taken my lumps for it, but i guess time will soon tell for sure.  we have Danny, we have allllll that cap space, we have a great coach, a young roster.....only thing left to find out is if that's enough to entice the premier free agents on the market to play for tradition and join our cause for #18, or not.


my official prediction:
we overpay but ultimately land Harris at something like $60/4
same for Amir Johnson at around $21/3

the majority talks themselves into this being a victory because look we had cap space and we acquired people, even though everyone knows the sights around here as early as a month ago were set at Love, Monroe, and maybe even LMA

hope i'm wrong.  would be nice if i'm wrong.  but i don't think i'm wrong.

That is not an overpay at all, I would be ecstatic if he signed with the Celts.

i would like it myself, but it's absolutely an overpay.  the guy has done nothing to prove he's the well rounded type of player worthy of a max contract.  but that's what we'd have to do to sign him to get him to come here and i'd absolutely be willing to.

make no mistake, i'm really not trying to troll or be anti-celtic in any way here.  i'm just trying to be the voice of reason (or the devil's advocate if it's a better suit) for all the high optimism and shooting for the stars around here.  and i'm not saying that's even a bad thing!  but it seems anyone that expresses that minority opinion finds themselves udner attack for it and having to defend it whereas the opposite may not be true, at least not to the extent i've seen.

Leading the league in points per possession doesn't qualify him for a max contract?  Especially for a 22 year old who averaged over 17 points per game?  Has position versatility and is known as the hardest worker his teammates have ever seen?

http://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2015/05/06/the-nbas-most-underrated-player/

[greece66]

So, if Lamarcus Aldridge or Kevin Love decide to sign with, say, San Antonio and Cleveland -- two teams that are closer to championship contention than Boston -- you'll blame geography?

Nope, it's clearly the weather.

[sawick48]

so it's 1116 eastern, free agency starts in some 40 some odd minutes, figure now's as good a time as any to open this floodgate and see what happens.....

since joining these boards there have been 2 camps:

1 - the majority - Boston can and will attract high quality, elite free agents, they just never have before because they've never had cap space, now watch Danny work his magic, we'll end up with SOMEONE elite signing here

2 - the minority - this city is not attractive to the elite free agents and if your sights are set high, you're probably setting yourself up for a disappointment, as we watch our gm overpay to acquire at best midlevel talent


i've been staunchly in the minority, and have taken my lumps for it, but i guess time will soon tell for sure.  we have Danny, we have allllll that cap space, we have a great coach, a young roster.....only thing left to find out is if that's enough to entice the premier free agents on the market to play for tradition and join our cause for #18, or not.


my official prediction:
we overpay but ultimately land Harris at something like $60/4
same for Amir Johnson at around $21/3

the majority talks themselves into this being a victory because look we had cap space and we acquired people, even though everyone knows the sights around here as early as a month ago were set at Love, Monroe, and maybe even LMA

hope i'm wrong.  would be nice if i'm wrong.  but i don't think i'm wrong.

That is not an overpay at all, I would be ecstatic if he signed with the Celts.

i would like it myself, but it's absolutely an overpay.  the guy has done nothing to prove he's the well rounded type of player worthy of a max contract.  but that's what we'd have to do to sign him to get him to come here and i'd absolutely be willing to.

make no mistake, i'm really not trying to troll or be anti-celtic in any way here.  i'm just trying to be the voice of reason (or the devil's advocate if it's a better suit) for all the high optimism and shooting for the stars around here.  and i'm not saying that's even a bad thing!  but it seems anyone that expresses that minority opinion finds themselves udner attack for it and having to defend it whereas the opposite may not be true, at least not to the extent i've seen.

Leading the league in points per possession doesn't qualify him for a max contract?  Especially for a 22 year old who averaged over 17 points per game?  Has position versatility and is known as the hardest worker his teammates have ever seen?

http://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2015/05/06/the-nbas-most-underrated-player/

dude, shhhhhhhhhh. whos side are you on here? you don't know other teams' GMs arent viewing these boards? don't be throwing stats like that around. christ!

yea so like i was saying, Harris just blows. probably for the best if everyone just leaves him unsigned all together, maybe he'll get lucky and be able to flip burgers at McDonald's somewhere come September.

[knuckleballer]

so it's 1116 eastern, free agency starts in some 40 some odd minutes, figure now's as good a time as any to open this floodgate and see what happens.....

since joining these boards there have been 2 camps:

1 - the majority - Boston can and will attract high quality, elite free agents, they just never have before because they've never had cap space, now watch Danny work his magic, we'll end up with SOMEONE elite signing here

2 - the minority - this city is not attractive to the elite free agents and if your sights are set high, you're probably setting yourself up for a disappointment, as we watch our gm overpay to acquire at best midlevel talent


i've been staunchly in the minority, and have taken my lumps for it, but i guess time will soon tell for sure.  we have Danny, we have allllll that cap space, we have a great coach, a young roster.....only thing left to find out is if that's enough to entice the premier free agents on the market to play for tradition and join our cause for #18, or not.


my official prediction:
we overpay but ultimately land Harris at something like $60/4
same for Amir Johnson at around $21/3

the majority talks themselves into this being a victory because look we had cap space and we acquired people, even though everyone knows the sights around here as early as a month ago were set at Love, Monroe, and maybe even LMA

hope i'm wrong.  would be nice if i'm wrong.  but i don't think i'm wrong.

That is not an overpay at all, I would be ecstatic if he signed with the Celts.

i would like it myself, but it's absolutely an overpay.  the guy has done nothing to prove he's the well rounded type of player worthy of a max contract.  but that's what we'd have to do to sign him to get him to come here and i'd absolutely be willing to.

make no mistake, i'm really not trying to troll or be anti-celtic in any way here.  i'm just trying to be the voice of reason (or the devil's advocate if it's a better suit) for all the high optimism and shooting for the stars around here.  and i'm not saying that's even a bad thing!  but it seems anyone that expresses that minority opinion finds themselves udner attack for it and having to defend it whereas the opposite may not be true, at least not to the extent i've seen.

It looks like you are looking to say I told you so as the early rumors are that Love will stay in Cleveland,s Aldridge will go to San Antonio, Butler will stay in Chicago, and Monroe is going to NY.  Then you are saying Harris won't count because it is an overpay.

Clearly, there are other cities that are more attractive, but I certainly don't think Boston can't sign a star or that stars will not consider Boston.  The Celtics have not had a problem holding on to its stars and the other Boston franchises have not had a problem signing high level free agents.

[hwangjini_1]

so it's 1116 eastern, free agency starts in some 40 some odd minutes, figure now's as good a time as any to open this floodgate and see what happens.....

since joining these boards there have been 2 camps:

1 - the majority - Boston can and will attract high quality, elite free agents, they just never have before because they've never had cap space, now watch Danny work his magic, we'll end up with SOMEONE elite signing here

2 - the minority - this city is not attractive to the elite free agents and if your sights are set high, you're probably setting yourself up for a disappointment, as we watch our gm overpay to acquire at best midlevel talent


i've been staunchly in the minority, and have taken my lumps for it, but i guess time will soon tell for sure.  we have Danny, we have allllll that cap space, we have a great coach, a young roster.....only thing left to find out is if that's enough to entice the premier free agents on the market to play for tradition and join our cause for #18, or not.


my official prediction:
we overpay but ultimately land Harris at something like $60/4
same for Amir Johnson at around $21/3

the majority talks themselves into this being a victory because look we had cap space and we acquired people, even though everyone knows the sights around here as early as a month ago were set at Love, Monroe, and maybe even LMA

hope i'm wrong.  would be nice if i'm wrong.  but i don't think i'm wrong.

That is not an overpay at all, I would be ecstatic if he signed with the Celts.

i would like it myself, but it's absolutely an overpay.  the guy has done nothing to prove he's the well rounded type of player worthy of a max contract.  but that's what we'd have to do to sign him to get him to come here and i'd absolutely be willing to.

make no mistake, i'm really not trying to troll or be anti-celtic in any way here.  i'm just trying to be the voice of reason (or the devil's advocate if it's a better suit) for all the high optimism and shooting for the stars around here.  and i'm not saying that's even a bad thing!  but it seems anyone that expresses that minority opinion finds themselves udner attack for it and having to defend it whereas the opposite may not be true, at least not to the extent i've seen.

Leading the league in points per possession doesn't qualify him for a max contract?  Especially for a 22 year old who averaged over 17 points per game?  Has position versatility and is known as the hardest worker his teammates have ever seen?

http://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2015/05/06/the-nbas-most-underrated-player/

dude, shhhhhhhhhh. whos side are you on here? you don't know other teams' GMs arent viewing these boards? don't be throwing stats like that around. christ!

yea so like i was saying, Harris just blows. probably for the best if everyone just leaves him unsigned all together, maybe he'll get lucky and be able to flip burgers at McDonald's somewhere come September.

at this stage the only apology should be from you for being a troll. this is really a silly, silly thread.

[mmmmm]

so it's 1116 eastern, free agency starts in some 40 some odd minutes, figure now's as good a time as any to open this floodgate and see what happens.....

since joining these boards there have been 2 camps:

1 - the majority - Boston can and will attract high quality, elite free agents, they just never have before because they've never had cap space, now watch Danny work his magic, we'll end up with SOMEONE elite signing here

2 - the minority - this city is not attractive to the elite free agents and if your sights are set high, you're probably setting yourself up for a disappointment, as we watch our gm overpay to acquire at best midlevel talent


i've been staunchly in the minority, and have taken my lumps for it, but i guess time will soon tell for sure.  we have Danny, we have allllll that cap space, we have a great coach, a young roster.....only thing left to find out is if that's enough to entice the premier free agents on the market to play for tradition and join our cause for #18, or not.


my official prediction:
we overpay but ultimately land Harris at something like $60/4
same for Amir Johnson at around $21/3

the majority talks themselves into this being a victory because look we had cap space and we acquired people, even though everyone knows the sights around here as early as a month ago were set at Love, Monroe, and maybe even LMA

hope i'm wrong.  would be nice if i'm wrong.  but i don't think i'm wrong.

So, in other words, you've already declared yourself winner?

It's completely arbitrary.  All you have to do to declare victory in this debate is keep moving the goal posts as to what constitutes a 'top free agent' versus an 'overpay for some shmoe'.

Lame.

[sawick48]

so it's 1116 eastern, free agency starts in some 40 some odd minutes, figure now's as good a time as any to open this floodgate and see what happens.....

since joining these boards there have been 2 camps:

1 - the majority - Boston can and will attract high quality, elite free agents, they just never have before because they've never had cap space, now watch Danny work his magic, we'll end up with SOMEONE elite signing here

2 - the minority - this city is not attractive to the elite free agents and if your sights are set high, you're probably setting yourself up for a disappointment, as we watch our gm overpay to acquire at best midlevel talent


i've been staunchly in the minority, and have taken my lumps for it, but i guess time will soon tell for sure.  we have Danny, we have allllll that cap space, we have a great coach, a young roster.....only thing left to find out is if that's enough to entice the premier free agents on the market to play for tradition and join our cause for #18, or not.


my official prediction:
we overpay but ultimately land Harris at something like $60/4
same for Amir Johnson at around $21/3

the majority talks themselves into this being a victory because look we had cap space and we acquired people, even though everyone knows the sights around here as early as a month ago were set at Love, Monroe, and maybe even LMA

hope i'm wrong.  would be nice if i'm wrong.  but i don't think i'm wrong.

That is not an overpay at all, I would be ecstatic if he signed with the Celts.

i would like it myself, but it's absolutely an overpay.  the guy has done nothing to prove he's the well rounded type of player worthy of a max contract.  but that's what we'd have to do to sign him to get him to come here and i'd absolutely be willing to.

make no mistake, i'm really not trying to troll or be anti-celtic in any way here.  i'm just trying to be the voice of reason (or the devil's advocate if it's a better suit) for all the high optimism and shooting for the stars around here.  and i'm not saying that's even a bad thing!  but it seems anyone that expresses that minority opinion finds themselves udner attack for it and having to defend it whereas the opposite may not be true, at least not to the extent i've seen.

It looks like you are looking to say I told you so as the early rumors are that Love will stay in Cleveland, Aldridge will go to San Antonio, Butler will stay in Chicago, and Monroe is going to NY.  Then you are saying Harris won't count because it is an overpay.

Clearly, there other cities that are more attractive, but I certainly don't think Boston can't sign a star or that stars will not consider Boston.  The Celtics have not had a problem holding on to its stars and the other Boston franchises have not had a problem signing high level free agents.

i don't understand that 'other boston franchises' argument.  that's like saying apples can't go bad if left out in the open because oranges don't.  one has nothing to do with the other. and you're right, we hold on to our guys when they get here.  but that's what we're great at, keeping our stars, even making our stars, but we don't sign them.  there's many reasons for that, but it's the bottom line.

and i'm not looking to say i told u so, like i said, i plain hope i'm wrong. 

[sawick48]

while we're here though......

"The Lakers are looking to create “significantly more cap space” by unloading contracts, Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski reports. League executives believe the Lakers want to sign both of the top two big men on the market—LaMarcus Aldridge and DeAndre Jordan—Wojnarowski adds. Kobe Bryant is expected to attend the Lakers' meeting with Aldridge, USA Today's Sam Amick reports. Aldridge will reportedly meet with seven teams Tuesday night in Los Angeles after 9 p.m. PT, beginning with the Rockets and the Lakers." - si.com

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/07/01/nba-free-agency-live-blog-updates-rumors-buzz-news


lets just fleece our rivals man?  let them chase the dream by landing LaMarcus and whomever, why don't we extend ourselves by saying we'll take Nick Young's contract, just give us a couple unprotected 1sts to get it done.  would LOVE that move