What would make you feel Danny ought to be fired?

[jambr380]

This draft (and the six picks he offered for Charlotte's pick) aside, Danny needs to start taking some more chances. I get it, he is all about value. It's hard to look back at any deals he's made and think, 'wow, we really got hosed on that one,' but I am starting to get a little impatient. Sometimes you need to get a little ripped off to acquire a player or players you really covet.

I am not saying we ever really had a chance at Curry or Cousins/Evans a few years ago, but if reports of Rondo being a centerpiece of a deal (plus other assets) for those guys were true and Danny didn't pull the trigger, then he obviously made a mistake.

I think it's getting time to pick a direction, not just continuing to acquire 'assets.' That being said, I am in no hurry to move on from Danny as gms are generally pretty mediocre and Danny is at least above average.

Unless he has a deal for a legit star, I think Ainge is (and should be) in a bit of a holding pattern while waiting to see where those Nets picks end up.  It is a rare opportunity to add legit top five draft pick to an established playoff team while still having space for a max free agent, so blowing up the roster while you still have a chance to do that seems extremely short-sighted.

I generally agree with what you and don't think the BKN picks should be included in any deal that doesn't bring in a real star. I also don't think we should make deals just for the sake of making them. However, I do think we need to do something with our roster to make more sense (and I think he will). If and when a star goes on the market, I believe Ainge will be on the phone, and I hope he is willing to offer what is needed. Like I said, I am perfectly happy to get a little ripped off if it makes a real impact - I am not so sure Danny has been (up until this past draft night).

[aingeforthree]

He deserves a 10 year guaranteed contract IMO.  He's a great GM.  One of the best in the business.  One of the best GM's in this organizations history, to be honest.

If the team goes on a Sacramento King path for 10 years, then you can throw out the 'firing squad'.

That will never happen though.  Why ? Because if you tank, or if you give Ainge even a top 10 pick year after year, guess what ?  He's going to hit a home run sooner rather than later.  He'll trade it, nail the draft pick, etc.

The guy gets run out of town year after year yet he never hardly ever gets a top pick at his disposal.  Last year was a unique year, and I thought he hit on Marcus Smart with that top 10 pick. And that draft wasn't that great. Some GM's that get a top pick year after year still have jobs, even after so many whiffs. 

How can you fire Ainge ?  It's ridiculous.  The man knows what he's doing.

[GreenWarrior]

Danny was hired in 2003 to oversee a franchise that hadn't won a championship in 17 years.  in 4 years, the C's were champions.  Danny didn't just build a one year champion, he built a 4-year contender.  The C's were 1 quarter from another championship in 2010 and really could have won 3 straight with a healthy KG (2009) and healthy Perk (2010).   The era was over in 2012 and Danny took the bull by the horns and traded his stars for future picks.  Not sure how Danny could have done any better in a trade for PP/KG or how he could be closer to contention today than he is. 

It is not a matter of cutting him some slack, it is all about the fact that there is no possible way that any GM would be doing any better than Danny is right now.  I wish he'd put a worse roster together this season to get a higher pick, but he took the good deals available to him (including one that amounts to Doc Rivers for RJ Hunter and Brad Stevens) -- and ended up with a few more assets (picks, Zeller, Thomas, Crowder).  And Brad Stevens appears to be a great NBA coach in the making.

After living through the on-going circus of ML Carr, Dave Gavitt, Chris Wallace and Rick Pitino and watching countless GMs across the league fail miserably during Danny's tenure, it baffles me that anyone would yearn for a change.    But it's a 'what have you done for me lately' job.  If Danny had traded 6 picks to get Justise Winslow, half the blog would be ecstatic and the other half furious.

I am all for giving DA slack and understand the conditions of which he was brought in here. and he did an amazing job turning this around.

but like the Patriots, how long are they going to pay for "spygate"? how long is Danny going to make his career living off of the '08 championship?

even still, i'm a big Danny supporter but there's only so many times you can come out and tell people "we're gonna do something" and not come through. he has to cash in on some of these assets with some stars in return.

[aingeforthree]

Bottom line, to fire him he'd have to whiff on top picks for 5 straight years.  That wont' happen.  I feel like he'd take you out of the basement in year 1 if given a top 5, top 10 pick.

[LGC88]

When 15 other GMs will surpass him.
As you can imagine, he has a 10 years safety net, at least.
Danny is honestly a top 3 GM.
Besides all his skills and qualities as a human being, who can rob other teams the way he does?
Nobody? That's what I thought...

[Boris Badenov]

I'd start to worry if he starts displaying clear signs of impatience.

Seriously we are two years into what will be a 5-10 year process. We don't even have a Pierce, much less a KG. But can you really chalk that up to anything Ainge has done, or not done? Even if you give the all-too-easy "should've tanked harder" answer...we might have ended up with Embiid in that scenario. It's a long road and there are no sure things.

In next year's draft we stand to have three solid first round picks, and if things break the right way we could very reasonably end up with something like #10, #14 and #16. Depending on draft depth we can take three shots at getting a star, or be in a strong position to trade up.

I was all for trading up this last time, but I'm now starting to wonder whether Danny made the right move by not upping his offer. Maybe we won't be good again until 2020, but that's how long it took last time too.

[droopdog7]

I personally feel this draft is it. But many still trust him. What would he have to do - or not do - over what period, for you to think he should be fired?

Okay, so you are ready to fire DA based on a draft that occurred a week ago?  I mean, why don't we wait and see if he is right before jumping to conclusions?

[aingeforthree]

When 15 other GMs will surpass him.
As you can imagine, he has a 10 years safety net, at least.
Danny is honestly a top 3 GM.
Besides all his skills and qualities as a human being, who can rob other teams the way he does?
Nobody? That's what I thought...

I mean the biggest knock on the guy is that he fleeces every team in trade so therefore nobody wants to trade with him.  Can you fire a guy for that ?  It's ridiculous.

[aingeforthree]

I personally feel this draft is it. But many still trust him. What would he have to do - or not do - over what period, for you to think he should be fired?

Okay, so you are ready to fire DA based on a draft that occurred a week ago?  I mean, why don't we wait and see if he is right before jumping to conclusions?

People were all over his junk when he drafted TA and Delonte back to back as well.  They went crazy.  "What @! We don't need anymore guards.  WTH is he doing ?"

They quickly shut their mouths.

[LarBrd33]

If we don't make some major signings this summer, we're in really rough shape heading forward.  I'd rather not even think about that right now.  That's depressing.

[PhoSita]

I was all for trading up this last time, but I'm now starting to wonder whether Danny made the right move by not upping his offer. Maybe we won't be good again until 2020, but that's how long it took last time too.

The measurement for me is not when the team is good again, but when the team has a core group of players that look like they could coalesce into something good.

[Emmette Bryant]

I personally feel this draft is it. But many still trust him. What would he have to do - or not do - over what period, for you to think he should be fired?

Probably if Danny started posting on these forums.

[hpantazo]

I personally feel this draft is it. But many still trust him. What would he have to do - or not do - over what period, for you to think he should be fired?

Probably if Danny started posting on these forums.

Or listening to the posts on these forums!

[greece66]

If firing Danny would make these unimaginative threads disappear - what the hell, off with his head! 




PS Not!

[TheTruthFot18]

Fast forward three years and the Celts are still in more or less the same position as they are now.

Once all the picks are gone (2018) then yes, this would be enough.