Globe: Monroe, Millsap /C's offered Brk 2016 in draft,but not Marcus Smart

[Irish Stew]

I have no doubt that Smart was offered around, I just don't think he was offered in a trade merely to move up in the draft.

For example, I have no doubt that Smart might have been in the package to get Noel (and the 3rd pick) and Cousins.

I don't think he was part of the package simply to get a pick #3-#15.

Not sure I agree that he was offered up but I like your trade idea. If we did use Smart to get Noel, I would want more. The Sixers are in a bad situation with Embiid and Okafor both already showing frustration with the situation.

I would offer Smart for Noel and Saric. We would throw in the 2017 Nets pick.

The notion that we can rob Philly by lowballing them for one of their bigs is incorrect IMO. Sam Hinkie will be happy to keep all three, have another horrible season, pick at the top of the draft again, and wait until he gets the kind of offer that he likes.

[PhoSita]

Interesting about Monroe.  Seeking a two year deal -- perhaps with an opt-out after one year.  Probably wants to build up his value on a contender and then cash in when the cap goes way up.  That's smart.

In that case, I don't think the Celts have much chance of signing him, but perhaps if other teams use up their cap space, the Celtics will look like a good opportunity.

I don't think Millsap makes sense for the Celtics.  Really like him as a player, but he'd be a placeholder since he's got maybe 3 or 4 good years left in him, most likely. 

[DarkAzcura]

That's what I read too. Most of this stuff is rumors people need to understand.  DA has said countless times in the past teams call and want our best players and then somehow it becomes a rumor that we are offering them.  C's are not stupid. They wouldn't offer up Marcus.

I can't handle these posts from you. I don't mean disrespect, but they're constantly flirting with delusional. Do you truly believe Winslow will not be better than Smart? How do you feel about Smart's inadequacy to get to the rim (his only offensive ability)? Previously undisclosed, undiagnosed/trivial ankle issue?

Yes I do think Marcus is more valuable. He was the 6th pick in a strong draft class. Trading Marcus to move up would have solved nothing and put us in worse position.

You didn't answer my questions at all. He was sixth pick in a much crappier draft, and Winslow fell hard due to poor decision-making. Why do you think Smart will be better? And what makes you think he will be able to attack in the league?

Edit: Building? What are we building? We build through trades, not draft or FA.. and we failed to do that again this year. Next year will be the exact same situation. We will soon be regressing, not rebuilding.

What? The 2014 draft was considered the best draft since 2003. 2014 was NOT a much "crappier" draft. Adding Smart to a deal where we were giving up 16, 28, and the 2016 Brooklyn pick is NOT a reasonable offer to move up to 9. That is a significant, and I mean significcaaaaant overpay. The only deal Smart is leaving in on draft night is a move up to 3 for Okafor. 9? The spot where Kaminsky was taken? Absolutely not. Good on Ainge for not throwing Smart into a deal to move up 7 spots. That'd be ridiculous. I wanted Winslow, but Ainge's offer was completely reasonable.

[manl_lui]

I don't get the Milsap signing though, thought Sully is too similar of a player, unless we're planning to unload Sully

[crownontherocks]

Is it Wed teams can sign and have players for visit?

[hwangjini_1]

That's what I read too. Most of this stuff is rumors people need to understand.  DA has said countless times in the past teams call and want our best players and then somehow it becomes a rumor that we are offering them.  C's are not stupid. They wouldn't offer up Marcus.

I can't handle these posts from you. I don't mean disrespect, but they're constantly flirting with delusional. Do you truly believe Winslow will not be better than Smart? How do you feel about Smart's inadequacy to get to the rim (his only offensive ability)? Previously undisclosed, undiagnosed/trivial ankle issue?

Yes I do think Marcus is more valuable. He was the 6th pick in a strong draft class. Trading Marcus to move up would have solved nothing and put us in worse position.

You didn't answer my questions at all. He was sixth pick in a much crappier draft, and Winslow fell hard due to poor decision-making. Why do you think Smart will be better? And what makes you think he will be able to attack in the league?

Edit: Building? What are we building? We build through trades, not draft or FA.. and we failed to do that again this year. Next year will be the exact same situation. We will soon be regressing, not rebuilding.

This is the whole point.  We are building something.  You do build through the draft and free agency and making "smart" trades.  Trading Marcus and a boatload of picks to move up 7 slots is not a smart trade.

You build through building an environment and atmosphere that players want to play in.  You don't just make trades for the sake of it with no plan in sight.

This is my whole point. DA has said these things himself if you listen to him for years yet the media doesn't even listen to what he says. If you look at what he does that is what he does.  Then these media people are like i'm so shocked and surprised.  I get it. I'm rarely shocked or surprised because I understand what he's trying to do.

Then people think i'm the one being the jerk when they don't even listen or have a clue what I'm saying either.  I listen to what the celtics try to do. That's the whole point.

A lot of fans are in their own circles of people adn don't even listen or research it.  They think their world is the celtics world.

Name one significant draft pick we have had since Pierce (who slipped to us). And 7 slots in this draft meant a lot. If you believe Rozier is comparable to Winslow, I'd love to know why.

Name one significant FA we have signed in recent years.. you can go back that far, if you'd like.

That is not the way our team works, and the one major trade we had happened with a future all-star PF (best post-moves in league) as the centerpiece, with a good old pal of DA's.

Al Jefferson was a significant draft pick after Pierce, you admit as much in your own response.

and, depending on how we define "significant" one might throw rondo in there as well. allen wasnt chopped liver either, though clearly a notch below rondo.

[TheTruthFot18]

Brandon Knight just got 5/$70 mil and I haven't seen much on here about that. Yet we bash Smart who is the same size and given the minutes could be just as productive. Also when did 17-18ppg shooting 42% and dishing 6 assists make you all-star material instead of a developing star who needs to improve their shot.

PHX boards are loving this signing when they already have Bledsoe saying $28 mil/year is a good deal for the back court (obviously compared to BKN). Yet we have Smart, AB, and IT at $18 mil/year for the next 3 years as well as Rozier and Hunter should we move some or all of them.

[PhoSita]

Brandon Knight just got 5/$70 mil and I haven't seen much on here about that. Yet we bash Smart who is the same size and given the minutes could be just as productive. Also when did 17-18ppg shooting 42% and dishing 6 assists make you all-star material instead of a developing star who needs to improve their shot.

These days, 17-18 points on decent shooting with 6 assists makes you a competent starting point guard.  You can make All-Star if your team is really good, but otherwise you don't stand out that much. 

Knight enjoyed 54% True Shooting last year, by the way, which is not bad.

5 / $70 is a good price for Knight's level of production.


Smart has a long, long way to go to be able to score like Knight.

[walker834]

If you and I put out false information on our jobs, we would likely be fired.   However, reporters get away with it routinely and their job should be to report not speculate.  A lot of journalism is bad nowadays and there are only a few that I trust.  Woj is one of my favs, his draft reporting was excellent.

I agree with you.  They cater to the fans. The celtics probably don't care because it just keeps what they do on the down low.  It is annoying though.  Fans are interested in a player suddenly it's a rumor though.  Some guy puts 2 and 2 together and thinks a player might be a fit suddenly it's a rumor. The thing is the celtics do the same and explore things.  DA doesn't leave many stones unturned. But the reality of the situation is something else.

I just don't like the focus of the media.  They are usually way off on their assessment. Some are better than others though.  Scal is  good to listen to.   Woj is also good.  I listen to Ainge and Stevens as well.  Heinsohn is great.  Max isn't bad either but these guys pla yed for the celtics. 
Steve Bulpet t is pretty good usually as well.

The rest of them are trying to draw ratings for themselves which is selfish in and of itself vs reporting what is really going on.  It kind of is an  oxymoron when you have selfishness you have people who really don't see the bigger picture.  They are trying to make a living and just the way of the media.  But doesn't make it right.  In order to survive most people just follow what's trending.  Just the way th e media has become.

Some are better than others and not really their fault although it kind of is. Capitalism at its worst though.  Because you do see these guys trying to capitalize on rumors.  It's pathetic.

[cometboy]

Is it Wed teams can sign and have players for visit?

I think they can "officially' start talking on Wednesday, but cannot announce any signings until July 9th

CB

[Bostoncelticsforlife7]

That's what I read too. Most of this stuff is rumors people need to understand.  DA has said countless times in the past teams call and want our best players and then somehow it becomes a rumor that we are offering them.  C's are not stupid. They wouldn't offer up Marcus.

I can't handle these posts from you. I don't mean disrespect, but they're constantly flirting with delusional. Do you truly believe Winslow will not be better than Smart? How do you feel about Smart's inadequacy to get to the rim (his only offensive ability)? Previously undisclosed, undiagnosed/trivial ankle issue?

Yes I do think Marcus is more valuable. He was the 6th pick in a strong draft class. Trading Marcus to move up would have solved nothing and put us in worse position.

You didn't answer my questions at all. He was sixth pick in a much crappier draft, and Winslow fell hard due to poor decision-making. Why do you think Smart will be better? And what makes you think he will be able to attack in the league?

Edit: Building? What are we building? We build through trades, not draft or FA.. and we failed to do that again this year. Next year will be the exact same situation. We will soon be regressing, not rebuilding.

Why do you wanna give up on Smart his first year? Smart lost some of his explosiveness after playing on a stressed ankle. I think Smart will be much better than Winslow. Smarts defensive potential is crazy, he has such great lateral quickness along with 6'4 220 frame. He improved a lot in the playoffs. He played with more efficiency on offense and played less minutes. I think Smart will improve a lot next season and will be much more comfortable driving to the basket. 

[walker834]

Smart is going to be  better than winslow. He's bigger, stronger, smarter and Smart is not slow by any means.   I think intangibles the celtics look at and Smart also wins there.

I wouldnt trade Smart for Winslow straight up.  I dont see the point in trading smart period right now.  Cousins, Okafor etc but yeah.

[oldtype]

Smart was a slightly higher rated prospect than Winslow to begin with and has already proven that he's not a complete liability in the NBA, so has a much lower downside. I don't see how anyone could ever decide that trading Smart for Winslow straight up is a good idea.

If Smart doesn't show much improvement his second year and Winslow has a decent rookie season, then Winslow would probably be a better asset, but that hasn't happened yet.