We did try to trade with Miami, they wanted Winslow...

Miami was taking Winslow no matter what.

Riley and Ainge HATE each other.
Two of the biggest rivals in the nba and Riley saw a gem fall into his lucky lap.
He seriously  is one of the luckiest SOB'S  in nba history.

Ainge did try to trade with Miami. He tried to trade with all the teams from 3 to us.

Simple answer:  There is a MASSIVE gap between the talent of Winslow and the scrub we selected #16.   Danny knew this.  Riley knew this.  Boston tried to give up 6 draft picks to Charlotte with hopes that they didn't know this... but it didn't work out.

Funny thing is, with 11 games left in the season, we were actually basically tied with Charlotte.  Al Jefferson and MKG both get hurt, Charlotte loses 9 of the last 12 games... Boston wins 9 of their last 11... and the entire future of this team is impacted as a result.   Whether it was for better or for worse, we will not know until the end of free agency.

Don't know why the better or for worse needs to be debated. I wanted to make the playoffs, do not regret it, but the best course of action (rebuild wise) is quite clear that higher draft pick is always to the benefit.

That said, that doesn't mean that making the playoffs is without value, but it's not as tangible either.

So all the tankers doing the chest pumps I don't know what they're going on about honestly. It's not like wanting to make the playoffs, and the cost of it, was unknown. And if one wanted to make the playoffs, and wasn't aware of the potential costs/risk, then lesson learned for you (not you you, the general you).

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Quote from: LarBrd33 on June 27, 2015, 01:46:11 AM

Simple answer:  There is a MASSIVE gap between the talent of Winslow and the scrub we selected #16.   Danny knew this.  Riley knew this.  Boston tried to give up 6 draft picks to Charlotte with hopes that they didn't know this... but it didn't work out.

Funny thing is, with 11 games left in the season, we were actually basically tied with Charlotte.  Al Jefferson and MKG both get hurt, Charlotte loses 9 of the last 12 games... Boston wins 9 of their last 11... and the entire future of this team is impacted as a result.   Whether it was for better or for worse, we will not know until the end of free agency.

Don't know why the better or for worse needs to be debated. I wanted to make the playoffs, do not regret it, but the best course of action (rebuild wise) is quite clear that higher draft pick is always to the benefit.

That said, that doesn't mean that making the playoffs is without value, but it's not as tangible either.

So all the tankers doing the chest pumps I don't know what they're going on about honestly. It's not like wanting to make the playoffs, and the cost of it, was unknown. And if one wanted to make the playoffs, and wasn't aware of the potential costs/risk, then lesson learned for you (not you you, the general you).

It just comes down to whether or not you actually believe the final 11 games of the season (less than 3 weeks) will actually have any impact on whether or not a free agent signs with Boston this summer.  I tend to say no, but I was on board with the playoff push in spite of this... mostly because I think Stevens was on his way back to the NCAA if we didn't get some positive momentum heading into the offseason.  I think Stevens is a big part of our future and a big part of our ability to lure free agents.    But yes, those 11 games cost us a pretty major draft pick.

How do you quantify free-agency acquisition in correlation to make the playoffs or not? I do think it influences for sure... to what degree? I don't know. It's really not a "yes" or "no" proposition. It is a factor, not so much entirely making the playoffs, but having a trajectory of progress as well more than anything (retaining pieces that help achieve that as well has value).

So let's take Monroe for example. He's coming out of a losing environment from Detroit, he's looking around for the limited suitors that have money to throw at him. If we were in a tanking situation how much chances we would have at him vs. now that we showed we had enough talent to make the playoffs, and in position to add multiple "max" free-agents not only this off-season, but potentially another next Summer? Not sure if that moves the needle enough, but I think it's something that will weigh on him, or at the very least it should.

Easy cause singe knew heat would draft Winslow
Winslow fits a need for SG/SF for them
Winslow falling down to them was a miracle for them