Poll: Should Danny Ainge be on the hotseat

[tarheelsxxiii]

Broadly, it is more likely than not that he will find himself in the exact same position next year when the draft rolls around. Take that as you will...

[Vermont Green]

I would have him on the hot seat if he had given up the farm for a mediocre draft pick.

[KevinGamble]

Between not being able to get a deal done last night and then taking a pick to further logjam our backcourt, last night was an unmitigated disaster. 

If the Celtics don't get an impact player this offseason I think Danny's job should be in serious jeopardy.  Not closing the deal to move up to #9 to get Winslow is an absolute huge mistake IMO and will come back to haunt this franchise.

This is one of the more reactive and senseless responses I have heard so far. 

Wow.  I cannot believe the short memories of some of our fans.  Is the internet ruining our fan base?  So some mock drafts make assumptions and some rumors get you going, and the next logical conclusion is one of the best front offices in the entire NBA should be canned?  I think I will look for a different Celtics chat site, because this is like toddler thinking.

Sorry your wishes did not come true. 

I am pumped about the draft and excited to watch summer league. 

I recommend checking out other franchises' choices transaction histories over the last 10 years and without cherry picking, consider if you would rather have their last 10 years or our last 10 years and find there are few better options out there.  Then be happy you are a fan of the green and quit your New York/ Florida style whining. 

Have some self respect, your a Boston fan for ****!!

[D.o.s.]

Between not being able to get a deal done last night and then taking a pick to further logjam our backcourt, last night was an unmitigated disaster. 

If the Celtics don't get an impact player this offseason I think Danny's job should be in serious jeopardy.  Not closing the deal to move up to #9 to get Winslow is an absolute huge mistake IMO and will come back to haunt this franchise.

This is one of the more reactive and senseless responses I have heard so far. 

Wow.  I cannot believe the short memories of some of our fans.  Is the internet ruining our fan base?  So some mock drafts make assumptions and some rumors get you going, and the next logical conclusion is one of the best front offices in the entire NBA should be canned?  I think I will look for a different Celtics chat site, because this is like toddler thinking.

Sorry your wishes did not come true. 

I am pumped about the draft and excited to watch summer league. 

I recommend checking out other franchises' choices transaction histories over the last 10 years and without cherry picking, consider if you would rather have their last 10 years or our last 10 years and find there are few better options out there.  Then be happy you are a fan of the green and quit your New York/ Florida style whining. 

Have some self respect, your a Boston fan for ****!!

Yeah, and while you're at it, eat your vegetables! 

[tarheelsxxiii]

It's speculation he was handed KG, but it's also speculation he wasn't.

Cue "man, that was best offer available, one-way, unproven player in big Al."

If you consider the big picture (and I do acknowledge IT and Crowder were very solid pick-ups), I think it is fair to seriously question his adequacy.

[LarBrd33]

It's speculation he was handed KG, but it's also speculation he wasn't.

Cue "man, that was best offer available, one-way, unproven player in big Al."

If you consider the big picture (and I do acknowledge IT and Crowder were very solid pick-ups), I think it is fair to seriously question his adequacy.

Ok here's the Big Al rant:  Honestly Big Al in 2007 was a better asset than anything on this team right now.   We are looking at it through the lens of 2015, but Big Al at the time was a 22 year old kid who averaged 16 points, 11 rebounds, 1.5 blocks on 51% shooting ... He arguably had the best post moves in the league.  It was very very easy to project him as an perennial all-star and a lock to be a 20/10 player forever.   If you were looking at Big Al in a NBA simulator at the time, he'd be a 3 star talent with 4.5 star potential.   Unfortunately, Al sort of peaked at 3.5 or 4 stars.   He never made an all-star team, but he was Third-team All-NBA in 2014.  He lead two teams to the playoffs (once in Utah and once in Charlotte).  He averaged 23 points, 11 rebounds and 1.7 blocks during his best statistical season.... and 22 points, 11 rebounds and a block two seasons ago while leading the Hornets to the playoffs     But if you were to go back to 2007, it wasn't hard to envision Big Al as a 28 and 14 guy.   We had to do the KG trade, but I LOVED Al.  It was painful to give him up.  We dont' have anything on this team approaching Big Al's trade value back then.   He was already a top 35 player.  His trade value was about even with Andre Drummond right now.. except Jefferson's offensive ceiling was perceived as much higher.   

Ainge shouldn't be in the hotseat.  Nobody could have predicted that a 26 win team could remove it's two best players (rondo and green) and accidentally win 40 games and make the playoffs.    Back in March I suggested that it would be impossible to move from pick #15 into the top 10.  Turns out, it was pretty impossible.  That wasn't our draft.  We just have to make our play in free agency. 

[GreenPride17]

This is absolutely ridiculous. It's not like he sat around not making calls, he can't hit "Force Trade".

He may actually be doing his job too well by ripping off other teams

[adam.jones614]

Same excuses

A professional sports team with NO ...ZERO ....elite talent .....in HOW many years since KG was traded ?

Same story.......putter along with cast offs ,  mid round , bench talent

More .....looking to save a dollar here ,  trade up ......like he is shopping flea market ......stop with the look what player we got for a dollar song and dance .  Just another crummy role player .

Ok ....the time is up ....he screwed around long enough ...if his PRIZED picks are not worth elite talent , then dump the team and head back into the lottery.

Danny is wasting time .....I won't be buying any tickets to watch this truck load of turds play .....he just keeps screwing around ......if all the picks aren't worth peanuts....then MOVE the " " on....with the program . 

He stands around and watches the Celtics become nothing again

This is the NBA .. Not a yard sale....dump Bass , Bradley all the rest of the non elite talent and get serious .

Get rid of the bench talent , play the D league pick into a lottery top three pick .

Oh course he is absolutely responsible .......dumb question actually ......his job is to figure out how to up the talent pool .   He is throwing spitballs at the problem .   


The next shoe to drop ......

Should be on Danny s rear end as he goes flying out the door......I hope soon too !

This is absolutely crazy thinking to me. For a team that already has a reputation (though I still believe unwarrented) for not attracting free agents, how does getting rid of every bit of talent help us get better quickly? Getting that bad may increase your odds at a top 2 or 3 pick but then you eventually have to put talent around that player and completely start from scratch, and you're branded in star's memory as a losing franchise. Does anyone honestly think the sixers will be competing for championships in the next few years?

Ainge has managed to turn this team into an up and coming young team with cap room, draft picks, and trade exceptions that will allow us to be involved in any trade, or free agent discussion.

The main thing to consider though is he has managed to pull off a trade that allows us to build a foundation and one of the strongest benches in the league while having another team essentially do the tanking for us if we don't decide to trade the Brooklyn picks.

This whole thing about Danny being on the hot seat for not tanking and giving away a bunch of good young talent to do it is absolutely absurd to me

[tarheelsxxiii]

It's speculation he was handed KG, but it's also speculation he wasn't.

Cue "man, that was best offer available, one-way, unproven player in big Al."

If you consider the big picture (and I do acknowledge IT and Crowder were very solid pick-ups), I think it is fair to seriously question his adequacy.

Ok here's the Big Al rant:  Honestly Big Al in 2007 was a better asset than anything on this team right now.   We are looking at it through the lens of 2015, but Big Al at the time was a 22 year old kid who averaged 16 points, 11 rebounds, 1.5 blocks on 51% shooting ... He arguably had the best post moves in the league.  It was very very easy to project him as an perennial all-star and a lock to be a 20/10 player forever.   If you were looking at Big Al in a NBA simulator at the time, he'd be a 3 star talent with 4.5 star potential.   Unfortunately, Al sort of peaked at 3.5 or 4 stars.   He never made an all-star team, but he was Third-team All-NBA in 2014.  He lead two teams to the playoffs (once in Utah and once in Charlotte).  He averaged 23 points, 11 rebounds and 1.7 blocks during his best statistical season.... and 22 points, 11 rebounds and a block two seasons ago while leading the Hornets to the playoffs     But if you were to go back to 2007, it wasn't hard to envision Big Al as a 28 and 14 guy.   We had to do the KG trade, but I LOVED Al.  It was painful to give him up.  We dont' have anything on this team approaching Big Al's trade value back then.   He was already a top 35 player.  His trade value was about even with Andre Drummond right now.. except Jefferson's offensive ceiling was perceived as much higher.   

Ainge shouldn't be in the hotseat.  Nobody could have predicted that a 26 win team could remove it's two best players (rondo and green) and accidentally win 40 games and make the playoffs.    Back in March I suggested that it would be impossible to move from pick #15 into the top 10.  Turns out, it was pretty impossible.  That wasn't our draft.  We just have to make our play in free agency.

That's fair, I loved big Al as well. I would still love to have him, of course. I do still question whether or not that trade was, at least to an extent, influenced by the relationship between DA and McHale, though. I know we will never know... but I have considered both sides of the argument, and have supported DA in his collection of assets since the big 3 left. But if we fail to make moves in the near future.. to me, that's more evidence that he was lucky rather than good.

[D.o.s.]

Jefferson got robbed of an All Star appearance when they swapped out the Center position for a third forward slot. He was a 20-10 guy on a playoff team and had finally bought in enough on defense to become a net-neutral, rather than a disaster. on the 5th best defense in the league.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Jefferson got robbed of an All Star appearance when they swapped out the Center position for a third forward slot. He was a 20-10 guy on a playoff team and had finally bought in enough on defense to become a net-neutral, rather than a disaster. on the 5th best defense in the league.

That's also fair, clearly improved and became a very good player. I still just can't help but question that trade.

[greece66]

This is overreacting.

1/ He did try to trade up.

If anything, judging from the offer he made to Charlotte he offered everything he could possibly offer- six draft picks, two first, two almost certainly firsts and two seconds.

He also probably made an offer to NYC.

Nothing to blame here as far as I can tell.

2/So, the main accusation is that he drafted a player (who none of us has yet seen playing for the C's) and that Ainge's value assessment of this player is radically different from that of the guys making the mock drafts.

Are we even serious?

[tarheelsxxiii]

This is overreacting.

1/ He did try to trade up.

If anything, judging from the offer he made to Charlotte he offered everything he could possibly offer- six draft picks, two first, two almost certainly firsts and two seconds.

He also probably made an offer to NYC.

Nothing to blame here as far as I can tell.

2/So, the main accusation is that he drafted a player (who none of us has yet seen playing for the C's) and that Ainge's value assessment of this player is radically different from that of the guys making the mock drafts.

Are we even serious?

Very serious. Do you want to go on record saying Rozier, or any one of our selected 3 guards, will become significant additions to the team? Unless Smart is successfully shopped (which I'm not discounting yet), the draft was a joke.

[Sixth Man]

Between not being able to get a deal done last night and then taking a pick to further logjam our backcourt, last night was an unmitigated disaster. 

If the Celtics don't get an impact player this offseason I think Danny's job should be in serious jeopardy.  Not closing the deal to move up to #9 to get Winslow is an absolute huge mistake IMO and will come back to haunt this franchise.

This is one of the more reactive and senseless responses I have heard so far. 

Wow.  I cannot believe the short memories of some of our fans.  Is the internet ruining our fan base?  So some mock drafts make assumptions and some rumors get you going, and the next logical conclusion is one of the best front offices in the entire NBA should be canned?  I think I will look for a different Celtics chat site, because this is like toddler thinking.

Sorry your wishes did not come true. 

I am pumped about the draft and excited to watch summer league. 

I recommend checking out other franchises' choices transaction histories over the last 10 years and without cherry picking, consider if you would rather have their last 10 years or our last 10 years and find there are few better options out there.  Then be happy you are a fan of the green and quit your New York/ Florida style whining. 

Have some self respect, your a Boston fan for ****!!

Yeah, and while you're at it, eat your vegetables! 

I'd rather that he doesn't...we might be free of him sooner that way! 

[Big333223]

For me, Danny has another 2 seasons before I start saying he's not doing a good enough job. It's been only 2 full seasons since the Pierce/KG trade. That's nothing. Is there any person out there who thought that we'd be back in contention in just two years? This isn't the earl 70's when there were only 13 teams and enough talent to reload on the fly. There are 30 teams sharing talent and guys are entering the league younger (requiring more seasoning) and it takes longer to build a championship base.

Don't forget that the foundation of the rebuilding effort is those Brooklyn picks of which only 1 of 3 have been used (1 of 4 counting the swap). Brooklyn might be one of the 5 worst teams in the league next year. Maybe that's optimistic but this feels to me like people giving up on a batter after the first swing. If we spend 4 years out of contention with no stars, I'll start getting antsy.