To everyone who can understand why many of us are not upset

[MBunge]

Can we not be upset as fans when clearly the Celtics are in position to do something better than drafting Rozier at #16 but we ended up here?

I can deal with people who are upset as fans.  I've had it with people who are upset as amateur GMs.  You don't spend 1/10th as much time thinking about this stuff as Ainge and you don't have 1/10th his basketball knowledge and experience.

Does that mean Ainge is always right and you're always wrong?  No.  Taking Rozier at 16 might turn out to be a mistake.  But let's at least confine our complaints to thinking Portis and Dekker would have been better picks and stop talking about trading down for more assets like you've got the slightest idea how to make something like that happen.

Mike

[Yoki_IsTheName]

No one here is asking to get the next best thing. What we upset guys are saying is drafting Rozier at #16 doesn't make a ton of sense.

Can we not be upset as fans when clearly the Celtics are in position to do something better than drafting Rozier at #16 but we ended up here? We could have moved up, or moved down and draft him while getting another asset. We could have traded some of our guards to make the selection sensible. We could have swung on high potential but with red flag guys like Upshaw and Wood, or take a position of need like a SF at #45, instead we drafted another PG.

You said build from the ground up. Sure, but not with questionable drafting decisions like this. We have the ammo to overpay and move up to #9 and get Winslow but we balked. We had the chance to atleast grab players could contribute right away in Dekker, Portis, RHJ but we took a guy who's a projected late 1st to early 2nd round pick, who, if we don't trade any of our guards, may not get any playing time to develop. Not to mention that he's questionable offensively, and he's not even the best PG available on the board when we took him.

Were nor upset because we didn't get an all star or a good potential player in this draft in one fell swoop. Were upset because not only did it look lime we didn't even try, it also looked like we made wrong decisions.

Forza Juve is right. Stop being condenscending. This was a horrible night for us. We had all ammunition to make the night worthwhile and we didn't even use them. Add to that, a questionable draft selection. Everyone is rooting for us to get better, but it's hard to do so when moves like these are being made.

Hopefully you guys are right and we are wrong. But at face value, this is a disastrous start of a new year.

Meh, it takes two to tango, and the fact that neither the celtics nor suns was able to trade for the hornets pick means that the asking price was too high. And a big NO on upshaw. There is a reason why 30 teams passed on him. aside from offcourt issues, he has medical concerns as well and also, while a good shot blocker, isnt very good to begin with.

You are normally a sensible guy, and I dont peg you as that guy to call the picks "horrible" "waste" or "bust" without having played a single game yet.

Wait? You can't even gamble a non guaranteed contract on Upshaw, who's clearly a 1sf round talent if not for the red flags? What about Wood? He has no red flags and he has upside? We really gotta draft another 6'2" guard there?

And so what if the #9 is too high, still does not justify the fact that we picked a consensus late first rounder at #16, and I'm not even going to explain the logjam at the guard spot now. If he's really the lick, why not move down 3 spots and get a future second or even some cash. Surely that's ver possible. But we reached?

A consensus of who, though?  A bunch of websites?  These pro teams are more plugged in to what is going in the war rooms around the league.  All it takes is one other team to be high on guy.  If it was an absolute certainly that Rozier would be their in the late 20s, they would've waited.  They're not stupid.  I'm not saying he's gonna be a great player or anything, but I can't blame them for taking him if they had him as the best player on their board.  Trying to be cute and wait in the weeds for a player is how you end up watching another team draft the guy you covet.

A consensus of a bunch of scouts who has an in into the organizations. So sure, reach about 15 spots to draft the guy you covet right? I'm not even going to go the the fact that the guy they covet is practically the same guy the drafted at 6rh. It's nor trying to be cute, it's getting value to your pick. Rozier is nor a good value at #16, according to scouts who did their due dilligence looking and studying them in college. Scouts who have connections with teams and can get information. Teams are not stupid, and they should have these information too. But we reached anyway.

[D.o.s.]

At this point we are a blue collar team with a blue collar fan base. We don't need morons wearing sparkling shoes. We need guys who are concerned with winning. Sex sells, it doesnt win basketball games.

This is actually the dumbest thing I've read on CB in the last 24 hours.

At least it can be quantified, unlike any of the words that you just used to form a sentence.

At the risk of feeding the troll... there is not a single thing in your statement that is quantifiable, rather than subjective.

[D.o.s.]

Also I wound up falling asleep for most of the draft. What happened?

[knuckleballer]

Also I wound up falling asleep for most of the draft. What happened?

The Celtics made an unexpected pick at 16 after not being able to trade up and everyone went crazy.

[RockinRyA]

No one here is asking to get the next best thing. What we upset guys are saying is drafting Rozier at #16 doesn't make a ton of sense.

Can we not be upset as fans when clearly the Celtics are in position to do something better than drafting Rozier at #16 but we ended up here? We could have moved up, or moved down and draft him while getting another asset. We could have traded some of our guards to make the selection sensible. We could have swung on high potential but with red flag guys like Upshaw and Wood, or take a position of need like a SF at #45, instead we drafted another PG.

You said build from the ground up. Sure, but not with questionable drafting decisions like this. We have the ammo to overpay and move up to #9 and get Winslow but we balked. We had the chance to atleast grab players could contribute right away in Dekker, Portis, RHJ but we took a guy who's a projected late 1st to early 2nd round pick, who, if we don't trade any of our guards, may not get any playing time to develop. Not to mention that he's questionable offensively, and he's not even the best PG available on the board when we took him.

Were nor upset because we didn't get an all star or a good potential player in this draft in one fell swoop. Were upset because not only did it look lime we didn't even try, it also looked like we made wrong decisions.

Forza Juve is right. Stop being condenscending. This was a horrible night for us. We had all ammunition to make the night worthwhile and we didn't even use them. Add to that, a questionable draft selection. Everyone is rooting for us to get better, but it's hard to do so when moves like these are being made.

Hopefully you guys are right and we are wrong. But at face value, this is a disastrous start of a new year.

Meh, it takes two to tango, and the fact that neither the celtics nor suns was able to trade for the hornets pick means that the asking price was too high. And a big NO on upshaw. There is a reason why 30 teams passed on him. aside from offcourt issues, he has medical concerns as well and also, while a good shot blocker, isnt very good to begin with.

You are normally a sensible guy, and I dont peg you as that guy to call the picks "horrible" "waste" or "bust" without having played a single game yet.

Wait? You can't even gamble a non guaranteed contract on Upshaw, who's clearly a 1sf round talent if not for the red flags? What about Wood? He has no red flags and he has upside? We really gotta draft another 6'2" guard there?

And so what if the #9 is too high, still does not justify the fact that we picked a consensus late first rounder at #16, and I'm not even going to explain the logjam at the guard spot now. If he's really the lick, why not move down 3 spots and get a future second or even some cash. Surely that's ver possible. But we reached?

A consensus of who, though?  A bunch of websites?  These pro teams are more plugged in to what is going in the war rooms around the league.  All it takes is one other team to be high on guy.  If it was an absolute certainly that Rozier would be their in the late 20s, they would've waited.  They're not stupid.  I'm not saying he's gonna be a great player or anything, but I can't blame them for taking him if they had him as the best player on their board.  Trying to be cute and wait in the weeds for a player is how you end up watching another team draft the guy you covet.

A consensus of a bunch of scouts who has an in into the organizations. So sure, reach about 15 spots to draft the guy you covet right? I'm not even going to go the the fact that the guy they covet is practically the same guy the drafted at 6rh. It's nor trying to be cute, it's getting value to your pick. Rozier is nor a good value at #16, according to scouts who did their due dilligence looking and studying them in college. Scouts who have connections with teams and can get information. Teams are not stupid, and they should have these information too. But we reached anyway.

Like I said, I dont like Rozier myself, however, they like him enough that they dont want to risk Chicago getting him at 22. And, like I said, its only a few spots down, and there might not be an interested team to facilitate trading down. So you have no right to play GM and think that its a mistake not making moves when you have 0 first hand knowledge of what has gone down. 

[knuckleballer]

I'm actually excited about RJ Hunter.  He could potentially be an elite shooter.  I'm having a tough time getting excited about Rozier.  If RJH was drafted at 16 and Rozier at 28, I would feel so much better despite how illogical that sounds.  The two second round picks could be players too.

[Greyman]

I am surprised and a little bewildered by the draft. Trying to make sense of what DA is doing leads me to think he is building in an area where we might need cover in the future due to trades (involving MS, AB and/or IT) he has organised. I can't imagine though that we are going to trade all of those players and attract quality players, willing to play with what we have left.

Maybe we are going another year with no big action in free agency and seeing what we can build with what we have and what we have acquired (raises questions of playing time or are we trying to win a title for the red claws).

I would like to see what has happened as some part of a grand plan I just can't grasp right now (which is possible). Maybe DA tried to get a better player but, as stated, the cost was too much - why trade proven NBA players like MS, AB or IT for draftees who may not be all that - especially if you are trading a number of players and future picks.

We still have a lot of assets, a move or two in free agency is not off the cards. Alternatively, we take what we have into next season and make our big rebuild plays after we scrape into or miss the playoffs next time around.

I am not sure what will happen and the draft has made me more confused than I was previously. At worst DA couldn't get the deals he wanted and has taken a few chances. Could end up being a poor draft - time will tell. My gut feeling is we won't be a contender until the season after next, always a possibility, and another year will tell us more about the roster.

[NYDan]

Not going to sound any alarm bells, I think I like the players selected today, it's just the fit that's a head scratcher. We just picked two guys with similar profiles to Rozier and Hunter last year in Smart and Young. Plus we have two vets on the team in Thomas and Bradley that overlap as well. Too many guards with too little separation.

There's now a lot of pressure to produce a balanced team in free agency or trades, even if it takes a promising guy like Smart to get something done. If moves aren't made, Brad Stevens can look forward to another year of players in/out the door and little continuity while the FO tries to evaluate our guards and make deals accordingly.

[RockinRyA]

Not going to sound any alarm bells, I think I like the players selected today, it's just the fit that's a head scratcher. We just picked two guys with similar profiles to Rozier and Hunter last year in Smart and Young. Plus we have two vets on the team in Thomas and Bradley that overlap as well. Too many guards with too little separation.

There's now a lot of pressure to produce a balanced team in free agency or trades, even if it takes a promising guy like Smart to get something done. If moves aren't made, Brad Stevens can look forward to another year of players in/out the door and little continuity while the FO tries to evaluate our guards and make deals accordingly.

yeah that's what I dont like about the picks. I do think they are good players, however because of logjam, they surely will have to be traded. And the downside is, if we dont find any takers, we would have a tough time building up their value because they will see little playing time. Lets just hope DA can find the right deals and so we see a more balanced roster.