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Combining the Crazy far-fetched Rumors
« on: June 24, 2015, 07:51:57 PM »

Offline LarBrd33

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None of this is happening.   All of these rumors are nonsense.  But if this happens, this is how it would look. 

Step 1 - The ridiculous Anthony Bennett deal

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Per a league source, Minnesota Timberwolves have discussed trading Anthony Bennett, Nos. 31 and 38 to the Boston Celtics for pick No. 28.

If that's real, you have to do it.  There's no way the #28 pick has more potential than Anthony Bennett at this point.   There's no difference between 28 and 31.  You are getting #38 and Bennett for free.  Bennett makes 6 mil, tho... that's a prob.

Step 2 - Cousins... 

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Boston Celtics offering Marcus Smart/Jared Sullinger/Gerald Wallace/#16/#28/multiple future 1st round picks for DeMarcus Cousins.

Wallace - 10.1 mil, Sully - 2.3 mil, Smart - 3.4 mil only... that's 15.8 mil.   Let's combine this with the above rumor and also give them Bennett (6 mil) as a sweetner... (someone get me on the phone with Vivek Ranadive, I can sell him on Bennett) ... that's 21.8 mil.    Cousins only makes 14.7 mil.   How about we also take Stauskas off their hands (2.8 mil) ... that only pushes it to 17.5 mil, but it works:  http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q25uxt2  ... However, if necessary we can take one of Sacramento's bad contracts off their hands like Carl Landry to sweeten it even more for them:   http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p3z6uln

Let's look at the ol cap situation after the dust settles. 

Cousins 14.7 mil
Stauskas 2.8 mil
Landry - 6.7 mil
Thomas - 6.9 mil
Bradley - 7.7 mil
Turner - 3.4 mil
Olynyk - 2.1 mil
Zeller - 2.6 mil
Young - 1.7 mil
Crowder - 1 mil?

Total = 49.6 mil

That leaves us with only about 17 mil in cap space.     

Step 3 - Kevin Love via sign-and-trade:

Kevin Love wants a 5 year 100 million dollar contract, right?  That puts us just on the edge of not even being able to sign him outright (at least 20 mil per year).   A sign-and-trade might be beneficial.  Here is how one blog described a potential sign and trade:

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Avery Bradley, Evan Turner?s expiring contract, James Young and a 2016 1st round pick (Boston has a a few)

Instead of arguing about it, let's just go with it.   This removes Bradley (7.7 mil), Turner (3.4 mil) and Young (1.7 mil) off the books.  We can use cap space to absorb the rest of Love's contract.  Here's how the new salary situation would look:

Cousins 14.7 mil
Love - 20 mil
Stauskas 2.8 mil
Landry - 6.7 mil
Thomas - 6.9 mil
Olynyk - 2.1 mil
Zeller - 2.6 mil
Crowder - 1 mil?

Total = 56.8 mil

That leaves us another 10 mil to play with to bring back Paul Pierce and trot out a respectable lineup of:

PG - IT
SG - Stauskas (lol... I like his shooting. Don't hate)
SF - Pierce
PF - Love
C - Cousins

It's not ideal.   

Step #3 Do-Over:

Let's rework the ridiculous scenario a bit.  Let's pretend like we don't need to take on Landry's money.  Let's pretend like we don't go after Kevin Love.  Instead, let's focus on the ridiculous idea that we'd sign LaMarcus Aldridge and Wesley Matthews as a package deal.     Here's how that looks...  We still give up Bradley, Turner and Young in a sign-and-trade for one of those guys.

Here's what we're looking at: 

Cousins 14.7 mil
Stauskas 2.8 mil
Thomas - 6.9 mil
Olynyk - 2.1 mil
Zeller - 2.6 mil
Crowder - 1 mil?

30 mil on the books.

Give Wesley Matthews his absurd 15 mil and Aldridge his 20 mil -  65 mil.  Just under the cap. 

New Lineup:

PG - IT
SG - Stauskas (LOOOOLLL)
SF - Matthews
PF - Aldridge
C - Cousins

Maybe we can still lure Pierce with the minimum or something.  And also, in both of these scenarios I kept Olynyk and Crowder, so my idea of starting Stauskas at SG probably isn't necessary. 

It's fun to dream.  :)
« Last Edit: June 24, 2015, 07:59:07 PM by LarBrd33 »

Re: Combining the Crazy far-fetched Rumors
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2015, 07:59:16 PM »

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I feel like Christmas Eve as a kid right now.  All these threads are killing me.  It doesn't help that Danny Ainge seemingly hired the Wells Report guys with all the leaks that are coming out of his front office. 

Re: Combining the Crazy far-fetched Rumors
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2015, 08:06:59 PM »

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None of this is happening.   All of these rumors are nonsense.  But if this happens, this is how it would look. 

Step 1 - The ridiculous Anthony Bennett deal

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Per a league source, Minnesota Timberwolves have discussed trading Anthony Bennett, Nos. 31 and 38 to the Boston Celtics for pick No. 28.

If that's real, you have to do it.  There's no way the #28 pick has more potential than Anthony Bennett at this point.   There's no difference between 28 and 31.  You are getting #38 and Bennett for free.  Bennett makes 6 mil, tho... that's a prob.

Step 2 - Cousins... 

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Boston Celtics offering Marcus Smart/Jared Sullinger/Gerald Wallace/#16/#28/multiple future 1st round picks for DeMarcus Cousins.

Wallace - 10.1 mil, Sully - 2.3 mil, Smart - 3.4 mil only... that's 15.8 mil.   Let's combine this with the above rumor and also give them Bennett (6 mil) as a sweetner... (someone get me on the phone with Vivek Ranadive, I can sell him on Bennett) ... that's 21.8 mil.    Cousins only makes 14.7 mil.   How about we also take Stauskas off their hands (2.8 mil) ... that only pushes it to 17.5 mil, but it works:  http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q25uxt2  ... However, if necessary we can take one of Sacramento's bad contracts off their hands like Carl Landry to sweeten it even more for them:   http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p3z6uln

Let's look at the ol cap situation after the dust settles. 

Cousins 14.7 mil
Stauskas 2.8 mil
Landry - 6.7 mil
Thomas - 6.9 mil
Bradley - 7.7 mil
Turner - 3.4 mil
Olynyk - 2.1 mil
Zeller - 2.6 mil
Young - 1.7 mil
Crowder - 1 mil?

Total = 49.6 mil

That leaves us with only about 17 mil in cap space.     

Step 3 - Kevin Love via sign-and-trade:

Kevin Love wants a 5 year 100 million dollar contract, right?  That puts us just on the edge of not even being able to sign him outright (at least 20 mil per year).   A sign-and-trade might be beneficial.  Here is how one blog described a potential sign and trade:

Quote
Avery Bradley, Evan Turner?s expiring contract, James Young and a 2016 1st round pick (Boston has a a few)

Instead of arguing about it, let's just go with it.   This removes Bradley (7.7 mil), Turner (3.4 mil) and Young (1.7 mil) off the books.  We can use cap space to absorb the rest of Love's contract.  Here's how the new salary situation would look:

Cousins 14.7 mil
Love - 20 mil
Stauskas 2.8 mil
Landry - 6.7 mil
Thomas - 6.9 mil
Olynyk - 2.1 mil
Zeller - 2.6 mil
Crowder - 1 mil?

Total = 56.8 mil

That leaves us another 10 mil to play with to bring back Paul Pierce and trot out a respectable lineup of:

PG - IT
SG - Stauskas (lol... I like his shooting. Don't hate)
SF - Pierce
PF - Love
C - Cousins

It's not ideal.   

Step #3 Do-Over:

Let's rework the ridiculous scenario a bit.  Let's pretend like we don't need to take on Landry's money.  Let's pretend like we don't go after Kevin Love.  Instead, let's focus on the ridiculous idea that we'd sign LaMarcus Aldridge and Wesley Matthews as a package deal.     Here's how that looks...  We still give up Bradley, Turner and Young in a sign-and-trade for one of those guys.

Here's what we're looking at: 

Cousins 14.7 mil
Stauskas 2.8 mil
Thomas - 6.9 mil
Olynyk - 2.1 mil
Zeller - 2.6 mil
Crowder - 1 mil?

30 mil on the books.

Give Wesley Matthews his absurd 15 mil and Aldridge his 20 mil -  65 mil.  Just under the cap. 

New Lineup:

PG - IT
SG - Stauskas (LOOOOLLL)
SF - Matthews
PF - Aldridge
C - Cousins

Maybe we can still lure Pierce with the minimum or something.  And also, in both of these scenarios I kept Olynyk and Crowder, so my idea of starting Stauskas at SG probably isn't necessary. 

It's fun to dream.  :)

TP for entertaining/distracting me. I'd say it's more likely if we're to compete for Cousins that we trade up for a top 10 pick and package it with Sullinger, Zeller, Bradley and the 2016 Brooklyn 1st. Or, we could revisit the Smart for Noel discussions and compromise on Smart + 28 for Noel and send Sacramento Noel, 16, 33 and the 2016 Dallas 1st (I believe Noel is a good enough prospect that the acquisition of him could save us from having to surrender the Brooklyn 1st, especially if we also send 16 (which in addition to 33 could allow them to move up a selection or two with their own pick) and the Dallas 1st - a potentially valuable selection).


Draft: 8 first rounders in next 5 years.

Cap space: $24 mil.

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Re: Combining the Crazy far-fetched Rumors
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2015, 08:08:35 PM »

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TL;DR: -  I'm keeping Thomas, trading everything else for COusins... signing Aldridge and his honeyboo Matthews to a combined 35 million... and regrouping again a year from now when the cap jumps 20 mil and Kevin Durant is a free agent. 

PG - IT
SG - Matthews
SF - Durant
PF - Aldridge
C - Cousins


Re: Combining the Crazy far-fetched Rumors
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2015, 08:25:12 PM »

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None of this is happening.   All of these rumors are nonsense.  But if this happens, this is how it would look. 

Step 1 - The ridiculous Anthony Bennett deal

Quote
Per a league source, Minnesota Timberwolves have discussed trading Anthony Bennett, Nos. 31 and 38 to the Boston Celtics for pick No. 28.

If that's real, you have to do it.  There's no way the #28 pick has more potential than Anthony Bennett at this point.   There's no difference between 28 and 31.  You are getting #38 and Bennett for free.  Bennett makes 6 mil, tho... that's a prob.

Step 2 - Cousins... 

Quote
Boston Celtics offering Marcus Smart/Jared Sullinger/Gerald Wallace/#16/#28/multiple future 1st round picks for DeMarcus Cousins.

Wallace - 10.1 mil, Sully - 2.3 mil, Smart - 3.4 mil only... that's 15.8 mil.   Let's combine this with the above rumor and also give them Bennett (6 mil) as a sweetner... (someone get me on the phone with Vivek Ranadive, I can sell him on Bennett) ... that's 21.8 mil.    Cousins only makes 14.7 mil.   How about we also take Stauskas off their hands (2.8 mil) ... that only pushes it to 17.5 mil, but it works:  http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q25uxt2  ... However, if necessary we can take one of Sacramento's bad contracts off their hands like Carl Landry to sweeten it even more for them:   http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p3z6uln

Let's look at the ol cap situation after the dust settles. 

Cousins 14.7 mil
Stauskas 2.8 mil
Landry - 6.7 mil
Thomas - 6.9 mil
Bradley - 7.7 mil
Turner - 3.4 mil
Olynyk - 2.1 mil
Zeller - 2.6 mil
Young - 1.7 mil
Crowder - 1 mil?

Total = 49.6 mil

That leaves us with only about 17 mil in cap space.     

Step 3 - Kevin Love via sign-and-trade:

Kevin Love wants a 5 year 100 million dollar contract, right?  That puts us just on the edge of not even being able to sign him outright (at least 20 mil per year).   A sign-and-trade might be beneficial.  Here is how one blog described a potential sign and trade:

Quote
Avery Bradley, Evan Turner?s expiring contract, James Young and a 2016 1st round pick (Boston has a a few)

Instead of arguing about it, let's just go with it.   This removes Bradley (7.7 mil), Turner (3.4 mil) and Young (1.7 mil) off the books.  We can use cap space to absorb the rest of Love's contract.  Here's how the new salary situation would look:

Cousins 14.7 mil
Love - 20 mil
Stauskas 2.8 mil
Landry - 6.7 mil
Thomas - 6.9 mil
Olynyk - 2.1 mil
Zeller - 2.6 mil
Crowder - 1 mil?

Total = 56.8 mil

That leaves us another 10 mil to play with to bring back Paul Pierce and trot out a respectable lineup of:

PG - IT
SG - Stauskas (lol... I like his shooting. Don't hate)
SF - Pierce
PF - Love
C - Cousins

It's not ideal.   

Step #3 Do-Over:

Let's rework the ridiculous scenario a bit.  Let's pretend like we don't need to take on Landry's money.  Let's pretend like we don't go after Kevin Love.  Instead, let's focus on the ridiculous idea that we'd sign LaMarcus Aldridge and Wesley Matthews as a package deal.     Here's how that looks...  We still give up Bradley, Turner and Young in a sign-and-trade for one of those guys.

Here's what we're looking at: 

Cousins 14.7 mil
Stauskas 2.8 mil
Thomas - 6.9 mil
Olynyk - 2.1 mil
Zeller - 2.6 mil
Crowder - 1 mil?

30 mil on the books.

Give Wesley Matthews his absurd 15 mil and Aldridge his 20 mil -  65 mil.  Just under the cap. 

New Lineup:

PG - IT
SG - Stauskas (LOOOOLLL)
SF - Matthews
PF - Aldridge
C - Cousins

Maybe we can still lure Pierce with the minimum or something.  And also, in both of these scenarios I kept Olynyk and Crowder, so my idea of starting Stauskas at SG probably isn't necessary. 

It's fun to dream.  :)

Did the Celtics actually make that trade offer for Cousins or is that just pure speculation?

Re: Combining the Crazy far-fetched Rumors
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2015, 08:42:10 PM »

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I grabbed all of the "rumors" from the various threads on this forum.   That Boston offer for Cousins was from some twitter.  Seems like that would be what we'd offer, though.  Basically:  Everything.

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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2015, 08:42:21 PM »

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Kevin Love wants a 5 year 100 million dollar contract, right?  That puts us just on the edge of not even being able to sign him outright (at least 20 mil per year).   A sign-and-trade might be beneficial.  Here is how one blog described a potential sign and trade:

A S&T will not give him a 5 year deal.

Re: Combining the Crazy far-fetched Rumors
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2015, 08:47:18 PM »

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I feel like Christmas Eve as a kid right now.

I get the feeling that a lot of us are going to feel like we live in Whoville tomorrow evening.  I don't think we'll see a lot of draft night fireworks, despite the remarkable amount of hype this year.


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Re: Combining the Crazy far-fetched Rumors
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2015, 09:51:16 PM »

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I feel like Christmas Eve as a kid right now.

I get the feeling that a lot of us are going to feel like we live in Whoville tomorrow evening.  I don't think we'll see a lot of draft night fireworks, despite the remarkable amount of hype this year.

Yup... another strikeout by Ainge:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12EgM5REzeg

Re: Combining the Crazy far-fetched Rumors
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2015, 10:29:23 PM »

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Cousins 14.7 mil
Love - 20 mil
Stauskas 2.8 mil
Landry - 6.7 mil
Thomas - 6.9 mil
Olynyk - 2.1 mil
Zeller - 2.6 mil
Crowder - 1 mil?

Total = 56.8 mil

That leaves us another 10 mil to play with to bring back Paul Pierce and trot out a respectable lineup of:

PG - IT
SG - Stauskas (lol... I like his shooting. Don't hate)
SF - Pierce
PF - Love
C - Cousins

It's not ideal.   



In retrospect, I didn't take this far enough.    Let's use the 10 million like this:

Rondo - 6 mil
Pierce - 1 mil
KG - 1 mil
Perk - 1 mil
Ray - 1 mil


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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2015, 10:58:12 PM »

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I feel like Christmas Eve as a kid right now.

I get the feeling that a lot of us are going to feel like we live in Whoville tomorrow evening.  I don't think we'll see a lot of draft night fireworks, despite the remarkable amount of hype this year.

But the residents of Whoville eventually did get their presents after all.  ;)

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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2015, 11:08:29 PM »

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TP, nice work on the cap numbers.   This is why someone should hire you as gm, bill. 

FWIW, I'm with Roy on the nothing happens front. 

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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2015, 11:11:18 PM »

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Cousins 14.7 mil
Love - 20 mil
Stauskas 2.8 mil
Landry - 6.7 mil
Thomas - 6.9 mil
Olynyk - 2.1 mil
Zeller - 2.6 mil
Crowder - 1 mil?

Total = 56.8 mil

That leaves us another 10 mil to play with to bring back Paul Pierce and trot out a respectable lineup of:

PG - IT
SG - Stauskas (lol... I like his shooting. Don't hate)
SF - Pierce
PF - Love
C - Cousins

It's not ideal.   



In retrospect, I didn't take this far enough.    Let's use the 10 million like this:

Rondo - 6 mil
Pierce - 1 mil
KG - 1 mil
Perk - 1 mil
Ray - 1 mil
you forgot antoine and gerald.  ;D
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