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Re: Olynyk for Embiid
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2015, 02:52:29 PM »

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It's interesting how divided opinion is. One side doesn't want him. The other side seems to think there is no way Philly would give him up. The side that seems to think Philly won't give him up is focused on the proclivities of the GM - not on the talent of the player.

...makes you wonder whether Hinkie knows what he is doing.

I say Philly doesn't do it because of the allure of potential still in the kid.  I don't think they're ready to give up on a kid one year after being drafted.  And not to getting KO in return.


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Re: Olynyk for Embiid
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2015, 02:53:34 PM »

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Sam Hinkie is only interested in stars. He traded away Michael Carter Williams after he won Rookie of the Year because he felt that he had a limited ceiling. If Embiid can't play for two years, he will wait it out and continue to stink and pick at the top of the draft. He's probably going to add either Russell or Porzingis to his collection of potential future stars. They have Noel and Saric will be here someday. A rotation guy like Olynyk doesn't even register on his radar.
I'm not even sure a defensive roleplayer like Marcus Smart registers on his radar.  He picked Embiid #3 in spite of him being a year away from returning.   Teams tried trading up... he wasn't interested.

A couple weeks ago if you were to ask anyone in the 76ers organization how Embiid was doing, they'd say he was looking explosive and dominant.  He had been playing basketball for a couple months and aggressively working out without any pain.   In early June they said he would definitely be playing in summer league.    A routine check-up revealed that his injury was not yet fully healed.   Everyone lost their minds.   The team hasn't even ruled him out of summer league yet (which is a couple weeks from now).    The team has brought in 3 more doctors to look at Embiid.  Pessimists say it's because they need 3 doctors to fix him.   Optimists will say its' because they want all the expert opinions they can get before deciding whether summer league is worth the risk.   

There's two camps right now.  Neither side has any idea if they are right.   It's all purely speculative.  The team has merely said he hasn't healed as fast as they hoped.  Multiple sources have confirmed that Embiid hasn't re-injured anything.  Multiple sources have confirmed that nothing forced the check-up... it was just a routine one that was on the schedule.  Two camps with two very different interpretations of what "not healing as fast as we hoped" means:

#1 - Some people think "not healed as fast" means that it has healed improperly.  They have no evidence to support this... just some media spin citing "NBA Sources" who claim Embiid "could" miss the next season.  They expect that three doctors are being brought in to evaluate whether Embiid needs a second surgery.

#2 - Some people think it means that the injury (which can take a year to heal) hasn't fully healed yet despite the fact it's literally been 1 year since his surgery.  They believe this means the bone is probably fine, but the soft tissue surrounding it might not be fully filled in yet.  Basically, if the supporting tissue isn't there it could put him at a greater risk of reinjury.   They believe doctors are being brought in to decide if it's best to let him rest longer (season is 4 months away) or if there's anything he can do to speed up healing.    Evidence for such a theory:  "hasn't healed as fast" could mean exactly what they are saying... it hasn't healed as fast as they hoped.  If he was 100% right now, he'd be gearing up for Summer league.  If he's 95%, it might give them pause.   Comments from the team seem to support this theory (they want to make sure he's healthy long-term).  The team put him in a walking boot, which seems to back up what doctors typically do in this scenario... give it rest and hope it heals more.  Bill Self claimed this is exactly what the team is doing... having Embiid slow down his aggressive workouts with hopes that it will heal more under less aggressive training.


If you're in camp 1, maybe you assume that Embiid is further away from playing than when they selected him.  In that case, I guess you would believe that Embiid can be had for less than he was worth a year ago.

If you're in camp 2... Embiid is much closer to playing than he was last year.  His value logically shouldn't be less.  If there's a good chance he'll play opening night, why would he be worth less than he was last season?  I'm in camp 2.  My guess is that Philly is also in camp 2.   If you're in camp 2, it's nonsensical for you to take LESS for Embiid than you would have a year ago.    That not only rules out this silly Olynyk idea, but it also probably rules out Smart + #16 + #26.  Why?  Because they wouldn't have taken that a year ago and that was when the guys at #6 (Smart, Randle, Vonleh) had considerably more trade value than they do right now.  All three of those guys had underwhelming rookie seasons.    I really like Smart, but I figured he'd be a 15, 5 and 5 guy out of the gate.  He averaged 8, 3 and 3.  His trade value has dropped.  Embiid's should arguably be higher than it was last year.


He's nothing more than a defensive role player right now.  We'll see what happens to him.  His rookie season was pretty majorly disappointing, imo.   I figured he'd be a 15, 5 and 5 guy out of the gate.  He was an 8, 3 and 3 guy... and he was pretty garbage offensively:  37%/34%/65%

There's no way Marcus Smart's trade value is higher than the #6 pick was last year.   Last year, that draft was seen as a historic once-a-decade draft.   For context, Chad Ford polled several teams to determine how they ranked prospects in tiers.   Tier 1 - can't-miss superstar talent.  Tier 2 - guys who project into all-stars.   They had three guys in tier 1 (Embiid, Wiggins, Parker) and another 6 in tier 2.  This year they have one guy in Tier 1 (Towns) and four guys in tier 2.      Marcus Smart was one of the "tier 2" guys last year.    Everything I read suggested he was one of the three most NBA-ready guys in the draft (Parker and Randle being the other two).   From that, I assumed he would be a Tyreke Evans type.   Tyreke Evans, picked 4th in 2009, put up 20 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds, 1.5 steals on 46%/26%/75% shooting as a rookie.    I figured 15, 5 and 5 from Smart (who put up similar college stats to Evans) was reasonable.    It's hard to look at the season Smart had and not consider it underwhelming. 
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Re: Olynyk for Embiid
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2015, 02:57:59 PM »

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I don't think so, because Philadelphia's plan is to be a good team, eventually. Olynyk doesn't feature into that equation.

Man, that's a low blow at Kelly. 

Personally, I can think of a lot of equations where Kelly helps a team be good, and I'm hoping he remains a big part of that equation for the Boston Celtics.

You don't trade the guy with franchise center potential for a guy who could probably cut it as the 8th man on a good team.
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Re: Olynyk for Embiid
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2015, 03:00:05 PM »

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Sam Hinkie is only interested in stars. He traded away Michael Carter Williams after he won Rookie of the Year because he felt that he had a limited ceiling. If Embiid can't play for two years, he will wait it out and continue to stink and pick at the top of the draft. He's probably going to add either Russell or Porzingis to his collection of potential future stars. They have Noel and Saric will be here someday. A rotation guy like Olynyk doesn't even register on his radar.
I'm not even sure a defensive roleplayer like Marcus Smart registers on his radar.  He picked Embiid #3 in spite of him being a year away from returning.   Teams tried trading up... he wasn't interested.

A couple weeks ago if you were to ask anyone in the 76ers organization how Embiid was doing, they'd say he was looking explosive and dominant.  He had been playing basketball for a couple months and aggressively working out without any pain.   In early June they said he would definitely be playing in summer league.    A routine check-up revealed that his injury was not yet fully healed.   Everyone lost their minds.   The team hasn't even ruled him out of summer league yet (which is a couple weeks from now).    The team has brought in 3 more doctors to look at Embiid.  Pessimists say it's because they need 3 doctors to fix him.   Optimists will say its' because they want all the expert opinions they can get before deciding whether summer league is worth the risk.   

There's two camps right now.  Neither side has any idea if they are right.   It's all purely speculative.  The team has merely said he hasn't healed as fast as they hoped.  Multiple sources have confirmed that Embiid hasn't re-injured anything.  Multiple sources have confirmed that nothing forced the check-up... it was just a routine one that was on the schedule.  Two camps with two very different interpretations of what "not healing as fast as we hoped" means:

#1 - Some people think "not healed as fast" means that it has healed improperly.  They have no evidence to support this... just some media spin citing "NBA Sources" who claim Embiid "could" miss the next season.  They expect that three doctors are being brought in to evaluate whether Embiid needs a second surgery.

#2 - Some people think it means that the injury (which can take a year to heal) hasn't fully healed yet despite the fact it's literally been 1 year since his surgery.  They believe this means the bone is probably fine, but the soft tissue surrounding it might not be fully filled in yet.  Basically, if the supporting tissue isn't there it could put him at a greater risk of reinjury.   They believe doctors are being brought in to decide if it's best to let him rest longer (season is 4 months away) or if there's anything he can do to speed up healing.    Evidence for such a theory:  "hasn't healed as fast" could mean exactly what they are saying... it hasn't healed as fast as they hoped.  If he was 100% right now, he'd be gearing up for Summer league.  If he's 95%, it might give them pause.   Comments from the team seem to support this theory (they want to make sure he's healthy long-term).  The team put him in a walking boot, which seems to back up what doctors typically do in this scenario... give it rest and hope it heals more.  Bill Self claimed this is exactly what the team is doing... having Embiid slow down his aggressive workouts with hopes that it will heal more under less aggressive training.


If you're in camp 1, maybe you assume that Embiid is further away from playing than when they selected him.  In that case, I guess you would believe that Embiid can be had for less than he was worth a year ago.

If you're in camp 2... Embiid is much closer to playing than he was last year.  His value logically shouldn't be less.  If there's a good chance he'll play opening night, why would he be worth less than he was last season?  I'm in camp 2.  My guess is that Philly is also in camp 2.   If you're in camp 2, it's nonsensical for you to take LESS for Embiid than you would have a year ago.    That not only rules out this silly Olynyk idea, but it also probably rules out Smart + #16 + #26.  Why?  Because they wouldn't have taken that a year ago and that was when the guys at #6 (Smart, Randle, Vonleh) had considerably more trade value than they do right now.  All three of those guys had underwhelming rookie seasons.    I really like Smart, but I figured he'd be a 15, 5 and 5 guy out of the gate.  He averaged 8, 3 and 3.  His trade value has dropped.  Embiid's should arguably be higher than it was last year.


He's nothing more than a defensive role player right now.  We'll see what happens to him.  His rookie season was pretty majorly disappointing, imo.   I figured he'd be a 15, 5 and 5 guy out of the gate.  He was an 8, 3 and 3 guy... and he was pretty garbage offensively:  37%/34%/65%

According to this reasoning, then, I guess Embiid is nothing more than a bench warmer right now. Philly would be pretty lucky to get something for a bench warmer.

Also, that would mean your boo-boo Noel is also nothing more than a defensive role player right now.
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Re: Olynyk for Embiid
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2015, 03:02:28 PM »

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Sam Hinkie is only interested in stars. He traded away Michael Carter Williams after he won Rookie of the Year because he felt that he had a limited ceiling. If Embiid can't play for two years, he will wait it out and continue to stink and pick at the top of the draft. He's probably going to add either Russell or Porzingis to his collection of potential future stars. They have Noel and Saric will be here someday. A rotation guy like Olynyk doesn't even register on his radar.
I'm not even sure a defensive roleplayer like Marcus Smart registers on his radar.  He picked Embiid #3 in spite of him being a year away from returning.   Teams tried trading up... he wasn't interested.

A couple weeks ago if you were to ask anyone in the 76ers organization how Embiid was doing, they'd say he was looking explosive and dominant.  He had been playing basketball for a couple months and aggressively working out without any pain.   In early June they said he would definitely be playing in summer league.    A routine check-up revealed that his injury was not yet fully healed.   Everyone lost their minds.   The team hasn't even ruled him out of summer league yet (which is a couple weeks from now).    The team has brought in 3 more doctors to look at Embiid.  Pessimists say it's because they need 3 doctors to fix him.   Optimists will say its' because they want all the expert opinions they can get before deciding whether summer league is worth the risk.   

There's two camps right now.  Neither side has any idea if they are right.   It's all purely speculative.  The team has merely said he hasn't healed as fast as they hoped.  Multiple sources have confirmed that Embiid hasn't re-injured anything.  Multiple sources have confirmed that nothing forced the check-up... it was just a routine one that was on the schedule.  Two camps with two very different interpretations of what "not healing as fast as we hoped" means:

#1 - Some people think "not healed as fast" means that it has healed improperly.  They have no evidence to support this... just some media spin citing "NBA Sources" who claim Embiid "could" miss the next season.  They expect that three doctors are being brought in to evaluate whether Embiid needs a second surgery.

#2 - Some people think it means that the injury (which can take a year to heal) hasn't fully healed yet despite the fact it's literally been 1 year since his surgery.  They believe this means the bone is probably fine, but the soft tissue surrounding it might not be fully filled in yet.  Basically, if the supporting tissue isn't there it could put him at a greater risk of reinjury.   They believe doctors are being brought in to decide if it's best to let him rest longer (season is 4 months away) or if there's anything he can do to speed up healing.    Evidence for such a theory:  "hasn't healed as fast" could mean exactly what they are saying... it hasn't healed as fast as they hoped.  If he was 100% right now, he'd be gearing up for Summer league.  If he's 95%, it might give them pause.   Comments from the team seem to support this theory (they want to make sure he's healthy long-term).  The team put him in a walking boot, which seems to back up what doctors typically do in this scenario... give it rest and hope it heals more.  Bill Self claimed this is exactly what the team is doing... having Embiid slow down his aggressive workouts with hopes that it will heal more under less aggressive training.


If you're in camp 1, maybe you assume that Embiid is further away from playing than when they selected him.  In that case, I guess you would believe that Embiid can be had for less than he was worth a year ago.

If you're in camp 2... Embiid is much closer to playing than he was last year.  His value logically shouldn't be less.  If there's a good chance he'll play opening night, why would he be worth less than he was last season?  I'm in camp 2.  My guess is that Philly is also in camp 2.   If you're in camp 2, it's nonsensical for you to take LESS for Embiid than you would have a year ago.    That not only rules out this silly Olynyk idea, but it also probably rules out Smart + #16 + #26.  Why?  Because they wouldn't have taken that a year ago and that was when the guys at #6 (Smart, Randle, Vonleh) had considerably more trade value than they do right now.  All three of those guys had underwhelming rookie seasons.    I really like Smart, but I figured he'd be a 15, 5 and 5 guy out of the gate.  He averaged 8, 3 and 3.  His trade value has dropped.  Embiid's should arguably be higher than it was last year.


He's nothing more than a defensive role player right now.  We'll see what happens to him.  His rookie season was pretty majorly disappointing, imo.   I figured he'd be a 15, 5 and 5 guy out of the gate.  He was an 8, 3 and 3 guy... and he was pretty garbage offensively:  37%/34%/65%

There's no way Marcus Smart's trade value is higher than the #6 pick was last year.   Last year, that draft was seen as a historic once-a-decade draft.   For context, Chad Ford polled several teams to determine how they ranked prospects in tiers.   Tier 1 - can't-miss superstar talent.  Tier 2 - guys who project into all-stars.   They had three guys in tier 1 (Embiid, Wiggins, Parker) and another 6 in tier 2.  This year they have one guy in Tier 1 (Towns) and four guys in tier 2.      Marcus Smart was one of the "tier 2" guys last year.    Everything I read suggested he was one of the three most NBA-ready guys in the draft (Parker and Randle being the other two).   From that, I assumed he would be a Tyreke Evans type.   Tyreke Evans, picked 4th in 2009, put up 20 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds, 1.5 steals on 46%/26%/75% shooting as a rookie.    I figured 15, 5 and 5 from Smart (who put up similar college stats to Evans) was reasonable.    It's hard to look at the season Smart had and not consider it underwhelming.

A little thing called context matters here. He was almost always a fifth option on offense, playing on an injured ankle most of the season, on a decent team that made the playoffs. What kind of numbers was he exactly supposed to put up in the context of this team?
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Re: Olynyk for Embiid
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2015, 03:07:09 PM »

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I don't think so, because Philadelphia's plan is to be a good team, eventually. Olynyk doesn't feature into that equation.

Man, that's a low blow at Kelly. 

Personally, I can think of a lot of equations where Kelly helps a team be good, and I'm hoping he remains a big part of that equation for the Boston Celtics.

You don't trade the guy with franchise center potential for a guy who could probably cut it as the 8th man on a good team.

Essentially.  And certainly not after 52 weeks.


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Re: Olynyk for Embiid
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2015, 03:08:10 PM »

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Eh, if he's the 5th option I think you'd have to say his efficiency should have been better. His inability to get to the rim and inability to finish when he did get there should be a bit of a red flag as well.

I like Smart, but there are still some major strides required before he's a hit at #6.

Re: Olynyk for Embiid
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2015, 03:09:22 PM »

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Smart was a great team player. I don't know what he ends up as, but he clearly did whatever the coach wanted, even if that meant sacrificing numbers to fit in.

I also do not think we can start calling players that young "roleplayers".

On the other hand, it is true that guys are overvalued at draft time because of hope.

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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2015, 03:11:48 PM »

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Would it be worth trading Kelly O for a shot at a healthy Embiid? Or is Embiid simply an injury risk, and nothing more? Would Philadelphia make the deal? You have to admit, Olynyk and Noel would be a beautiful PF/C combination, with Kelly stretching defenses, and Noel cleaning up the glass...


Hahaha, the best part is that you question whether this trade is too risky for the Celtics because of embiids injuries
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Re: Olynyk for Embiid
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2015, 03:12:09 PM »

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15 5 and 5 seems like a crazy number to throw out there. I was trying to research how many rookies have put up those numbers in the history of the NBA. Anyone know the site you can plug that in to get an answer?

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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2015, 03:15:08 PM »

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I don't think so, because Philadelphia's plan is to be a good team, eventually. Olynyk doesn't feature into that equation.

Man, that's a low blow at Kelly. 

Personally, I can think of a lot of equations where Kelly helps a team be good, and I'm hoping he remains a big part of that equation for the Boston Celtics.

You don't trade the guy with franchise center potential for a guy who could probably cut it as the 8th man on a good team.

Haven't we been through this before.

I don't see 8th man on a good team as the best we can hope for from Kelly Olynyk.

I think he's eventually going to get more minutes and be higher in the pecking order than eighth man. 
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« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2015, 03:15:55 PM »

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Sam Hinkie is only interested in stars. He traded away Michael Carter Williams after he won Rookie of the Year because he felt that he had a limited ceiling. If Embiid can't play for two years, he will wait it out and continue to stink and pick at the top of the draft. He's probably going to add either Russell or Porzingis to his collection of potential future stars. They have Noel and Saric will be here someday. A rotation guy like Olynyk doesn't even register on his radar.
I'm not even sure a defensive roleplayer like Marcus Smart registers on his radar.  He picked Embiid #3 in spite of him being a year away from returning.   Teams tried trading up... he wasn't interested.

A couple weeks ago if you were to ask anyone in the 76ers organization how Embiid was doing, they'd say he was looking explosive and dominant.  He had been playing basketball for a couple months and aggressively working out without any pain.   In early June they said he would definitely be playing in summer league.    A routine check-up revealed that his injury was not yet fully healed.   Everyone lost their minds.   The team hasn't even ruled him out of summer league yet (which is a couple weeks from now).    The team has brought in 3 more doctors to look at Embiid.  Pessimists say it's because they need 3 doctors to fix him.   Optimists will say its' because they want all the expert opinions they can get before deciding whether summer league is worth the risk.   

There's two camps right now.  Neither side has any idea if they are right.   It's all purely speculative.  The team has merely said he hasn't healed as fast as they hoped.  Multiple sources have confirmed that Embiid hasn't re-injured anything.  Multiple sources have confirmed that nothing forced the check-up... it was just a routine one that was on the schedule.  Two camps with two very different interpretations of what "not healing as fast as we hoped" means:

#1 - Some people think "not healed as fast" means that it has healed improperly.  They have no evidence to support this... just some media spin citing "NBA Sources" who claim Embiid "could" miss the next season.  They expect that three doctors are being brought in to evaluate whether Embiid needs a second surgery.

#2 - Some people think it means that the injury (which can take a year to heal) hasn't fully healed yet despite the fact it's literally been 1 year since his surgery.  They believe this means the bone is probably fine, but the soft tissue surrounding it might not be fully filled in yet.  Basically, if the supporting tissue isn't there it could put him at a greater risk of reinjury.   They believe doctors are being brought in to decide if it's best to let him rest longer (season is 4 months away) or if there's anything he can do to speed up healing.    Evidence for such a theory:  "hasn't healed as fast" could mean exactly what they are saying... it hasn't healed as fast as they hoped.  If he was 100% right now, he'd be gearing up for Summer league.  If he's 95%, it might give them pause.   Comments from the team seem to support this theory (they want to make sure he's healthy long-term).  The team put him in a walking boot, which seems to back up what doctors typically do in this scenario... give it rest and hope it heals more.  Bill Self claimed this is exactly what the team is doing... having Embiid slow down his aggressive workouts with hopes that it will heal more under less aggressive training.


If you're in camp 1, maybe you assume that Embiid is further away from playing than when they selected him.  In that case, I guess you would believe that Embiid can be had for less than he was worth a year ago.

If you're in camp 2... Embiid is much closer to playing than he was last year.  His value logically shouldn't be less.  If there's a good chance he'll play opening night, why would he be worth less than he was last season?  I'm in camp 2.  My guess is that Philly is also in camp 2.   If you're in camp 2, it's nonsensical for you to take LESS for Embiid than you would have a year ago.    That not only rules out this silly Olynyk idea, but it also probably rules out Smart + #16 + #26.  Why?  Because they wouldn't have taken that a year ago and that was when the guys at #6 (Smart, Randle, Vonleh) had considerably more trade value than they do right now.  All three of those guys had underwhelming rookie seasons.    I really like Smart, but I figured he'd be a 15, 5 and 5 guy out of the gate.  He averaged 8, 3 and 3.  His trade value has dropped.  Embiid's should arguably be higher than it was last year.


He's nothing more than a defensive role player right now.  We'll see what happens to him.  His rookie season was pretty majorly disappointing, imo.   I figured he'd be a 15, 5 and 5 guy out of the gate.  He was an 8, 3 and 3 guy... and he was pretty garbage offensively:  37%/34%/65%

There's no way Marcus Smart's trade value is higher than the #6 pick was last year.   Last year, that draft was seen as a historic once-a-decade draft.   For context, Chad Ford polled several teams to determine how they ranked prospects in tiers.   Tier 1 - can't-miss superstar talent.  Tier 2 - guys who project into all-stars.   They had three guys in tier 1 (Embiid, Wiggins, Parker) and another 6 in tier 2.  This year they have one guy in Tier 1 (Towns) and four guys in tier 2.      Marcus Smart was one of the "tier 2" guys last year.    Everything I read suggested he was one of the three most NBA-ready guys in the draft (Parker and Randle being the other two).   From that, I assumed he would be a Tyreke Evans type.   Tyreke Evans, picked 4th in 2009, put up 20 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds, 1.5 steals on 46%/26%/75% shooting as a rookie.    I figured 15, 5 and 5 from Smart (who put up similar college stats to Evans) was reasonable.    It's hard to look at the season Smart had and not consider it underwhelming.

A little thing called context matters here. He was almost always a fifth option on offense, playing on an injured ankle most of the season, on a decent team that made the playoffs. What kind of numbers was he exactly supposed to put up in the context of this team?

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this is a thread about Olynyk and Embiid (two foreigners with weird last names) not Marc Smart. Although, I have to say, he is pretty underwhelming. The big issue is his decision making. He seems rash - ironically, not too Smart.

You can call Olynyk and 8th man and all that - but context matters indeed. He is way more valuable next to Noel than he is next to Sullinger. And, to be honest, I'm not sure how valuable Embiid and Noel are next to one another.

Olynyk is a 35% 3P shooter, a statistic upon which he can improve. I wouldn't be opposed to him in our starting line up, so long as our small forward and C/PF were both super athletic, and our SG was pretty big (so if necessary our starting SF could slide over to guard the PF. That's just not the team we have. We are not super tall, and Sullinger is not athletic enough to cover up for Olynyk's lack of lateral quickness.

Re: Olynyk for Embiid
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2015, 03:15:57 PM »

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Eh, if he's the 5th option I think you'd have to say his efficiency should have been better. His inability to get to the rim and inability to finish when he did get there should be a bit of a red flag as well.

I like Smart, but there are still some major strides required before he's a hit at #6.
The inability to get to the rim is a legitimate concern. That will have to improve. I see no reason why it shouldn't.

The guy was a rookie who was working hard to fit in on defense and in the flow of the offense. He also wasn't flashy on offense which is what people respond to for rookies. Remember when so many here though Marshon Brooks was going to be great after his rookie season? He plays in Italy now.

Re: Olynyk for Embiid
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2015, 03:17:35 PM »

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15 5 and 5 seems like a crazy number to throw out there. I was trying to research how many rookies have put up those numbers in the history of the NBA. Anyone know the site you can plug that in to get an answer?
Wade was 16.2/4.0/4.5. And he played 3 years in college.

So, yeah, 15/5/5 might be a bit unreasonable.

Re: Olynyk for Embiid
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2015, 03:20:19 PM »

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I don't think so, because Philadelphia's plan is to be a good team, eventually. Olynyk doesn't feature into that equation.

Man, that's a low blow at Kelly. 

Personally, I can think of a lot of equations where Kelly helps a team be good, and I'm hoping he remains a big part of that equation for the Boston Celtics.

You don't trade the guy with franchise center potential for a guy who could probably cut it as the 8th man on a good team.

Haven't we been through this before.

I don't see 8th man on a good team as the best we can hope for from Kelly Olynyk.

I think he's eventually going to get more minutes and be higher in the pecking order than eighth man.

Yeah I think we're retreading old ground, however I think most people see Olynyk's peak as a borderline starter. Embiid's ceiling is much higher than that (and his floor, obviously, is much lower due to injuries).
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