Finals MVP Kelly Oynyk

[greece66]

No way the Cavs would´ve won full health. Out of the question, sit down and accept the loss.

What a ridiculous thing to say, that there's "no way" the Cavs wouldn't have beat GSW even if they transformed the worst supporting cast into one of the better ones in recent memory.

So true, it's not like they were miles off from an upset with LeBron and the Other Guys. They lost 4-2  and were in almost all the losses until the 4th pretty much. It's not close to a stretch that they would have had a chance to win with Kyrie healthy even w/o Love.

Yep, after game 3 most people thought Cavs had the upper hand.
It was only the exhaustion of the Cavs (esp. Dellavedova who after game 3 was never the same again) and Kerr's adjustments that tipped this in favour of GSW.

If Irving and/or Love were there this would have been an entirely different series.

[sahara]

No way the Cavs would´ve won full health. Out of the question, sit down and accept the loss.

I can buy into the fact that they still wouldnt have won with Love.  I dont know if I feel the same if they still had Kyrie

Livingston would´ve bothered him enough.

And they had Bogut to meet Kyrie there too.

Have you watched the games?

If Cavs would´ve had Kyrie, Warriors would´ve had Bogut to welcome him under the basket.

Andrew didn´t have to play.

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/features/ian_thomsen/05/21/warriors-bogut-overcomes-adversity-to-anchor-defense/

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[mgent]

Cavs started playing much better after losing Love.  It improved their defense leaps and bounds.  In the first round, the Cavs were having trouble simply beating us.

It's not even like Love would have been lighting up the Warriors anyway.  Barnes/Iggy/Green would probably have been better off matching up with a perimeter player like Love anyway rather than dealing with Mosgov and Thompson at the rim.

And Iguodala was playing LeBron completely 1 on 1.  LeBron had do it all himself and couldn't.  He couldn't just head towards the paint and get people open like he usually does.  Love would have had to work for his own buckets, and all that would have done is take the ball out of the best player in the world's hands.

Iggy 1000% deserved Finals MVP for doing what no other player has done in the playoffs (aside from maybe Tony Allen for a little bit, but even then I feel like the Celts helped or doubled way more than the Warriors did).

Not to mention the dude managed to hit 14 3s (at least 1 in every game).  Undefeated when starting, pulled off 3 in a row (2 on the Cavs court).

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Cavs started playing much better after losing Love.  It improved their defense leaps and bounds.  In the first round, the Cavs were having trouble simply beating us.

It's not even like Love would have been lighting up the Warriors anyway.  Barnes/Iggy/Green would probably have been better off matching up with a perimeter player like Love anyway rather than dealing with Mosgov and Thompson at the rim.

And Iguodala was playing LeBron completely 1 on 1.  LeBron had do it all himself and couldn't.  He couldn't just head towards the paint and get people open like he usually does.  Love would have had to work for his own buckets, and all that would have done is take the ball out of the best player in the world's hands.

Iggy 1000% deserved Finals MVP for doing what no other player has done in the playoffs (aside from maybe Tony Allen for a little bit, but even then I feel like the Celts helped or doubled way more than the Warriors did).

Not to mention the dude managed to hit 14 3s (at least 1 in every game).  Undefeated when starting, pulled off 3 in a row (2 on the Cavs court).

All of that is pretty obvious but none of it changes the fact that the Cavs were in it with only LBJ, who knows how they fare if Kyrie takes over ball handling and creating (imagine them getting only 15pts from Kyrie per game, would result in the wins they needed). It would have left LBJ with energy to use elsewhere.

[Eja117]

wouldn't have mattered

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

wouldn't have mattered

Probably not but no need to pretend it's a fact. LBJ and other dudes forced Kerr to start Iggy and not play Bogut to win. I really don't understand why people are so adamant that LBJ with more help would not have had a chance when he had a chance with no one. I don't like LeBron but come on now, GSW struggled to beat him alone.

[MJohnnyboy]

I wonder what type of response Kelly will get when the C's visit the beautiful city of Cleveland.

It will depend on if Love even comes back to Cleveland next year.

[Eja117]

wouldn't have mattered

Probably not but no need to pretend it's a fact. LBJ and other dudes forced Kerr to start Iggy and not play Bogut to win. I really don't understand why people are so adamant that LBJ with more help would not have had a chance when he had a chance with no one. I don't like LeBron but come on now, GSW struggled to beat him alone.

4-2 isn't my idea of struggle and if they had played another game it would have been 5-2. Maybe with Love it would have been 4-3. Maybe.

[Celtics4ever]

Their D would have suffered too.   Love and Irving would have scored but they are bad on D.  Still I think they would helped the Cavs.

[mgent]

wouldn't have mattered

Exactly.

Like I said before with Love, giving Kyrie the ball is just taking the ball out of the best player in the game's hands.  Plus, he's a little bit of a ball hog (and rightfully so).  Historically, LeBron is a more efficient scorer, and at least an equal distributor/creator.  Letting LeBron do his thing is one of the best offensive options in the league, I don't see why anyone thinks less of it would have helped the Cavs.

Everyone already knew the Warriors would have the superior offense.

I think Cavs fans should cry a little less about Love/Irving, and start giving the Warriors' defense some credit.

[mgent]

wouldn't have mattered

Probably not but no need to pretend it's a fact. LBJ and other dudes forced Kerr to start Iggy and not play Bogut to win. I really don't understand why people are so adamant that LBJ with more help would not have had a chance when he had a chance with no one. I don't like LeBron but come on now, GSW struggled to beat him alone.

Sorry Shak, but these are the parts I'm not agreeing with.  Also your previous post where you said, "Cavs were in it."

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

wouldn't have mattered

Probably not but no need to pretend it's a fact. LBJ and other dudes forced Kerr to start Iggy and not play Bogut to win. I really don't understand why people are so adamant that LBJ with more help would not have had a chance when he had a chance with no one. I don't like LeBron but come on now, GSW struggled to beat him alone.

4-2 isn't my idea of struggle and if they had played another game it would have been 5-2. Maybe with Love it would have been 4-3. Maybe.

Had to play 6 of 7 possible games! Almost all the games came down to the wire in the 4th and 2 went to OT! Get real man! Now we're at a point where I am arguing against someone talking nonsense! You have to be joking. There was only 1 game where GSW blew it open and pretty much had it won b4 the 4th. Even game 6 saw Cavs in range in the 4th a couple times!

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

wouldn't have mattered

Probably not but no need to pretend it's a fact. LBJ and other dudes forced Kerr to start Iggy and not play Bogut to win. I really don't understand why people are so adamant that LBJ with more help would not have had a chance when he had a chance with no one. I don't like LeBron but come on now, GSW struggled to beat him alone.

Sorry Shak, but these are the parts I'm not agreeing with.  Also your previous post where you said, "Cavs were in it."

LOL what is your idea of in it? The only possible way to be any closer to it was for the Cavs to force 7 games! I really don't see how you can argue that.

[TheFlex]

No way the Cavs would´ve won full health. Out of the question, sit down and accept the loss.

I can buy into the fact that they still wouldnt have won with Love.  I dont know if I feel the same if they still had Kyrie

Livingston would´ve bothered him enough.

And they had Bogut to meet Kyrie there too.

Have you watched the games?

If Cavs would´ve had Kyrie, Warriors would´ve had Bogut to welcome him under the basket.

Andrew didn´t have to play.

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/features/ian_thomsen/05/21/warriors-bogut-overcomes-adversity-to-anchor-defense/

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Classy response. Let's hope the mods see it.

[TheTruthFot18]

He's saying that Olynyk injuring Love slowed Golden State to win, and therefore, KO had the biggest impact on the series.

Maybe it's just me but did anyone watch game 6 and feel a little bad for LeBron? I know I know.

But seriously, no Irving, no Love, and to have to carry that team? It's amazing they got to game six. I wanted him to lose (and GS to win) but I don't think it's a fair knock on him for losing. No championship team I know of had 1 great player lead a bunch of scrubs to a title all on his own.