James Young in CB trade talks

[LGC88]

TP for your topic, LGC88, and your work on this topic and to D.o.s. for at least making a constructive suggestion, which I didn't do.

Thanks.
After what we witness during this playoff push, I strongly feel we have one of the best bench and depth in nba with great chemistry and solidarity and I hopefully believe Young can be a part of it.
It gets to my nerves when I see users throwing them in trades like peanuts or sweeteners.
To me, it is obvious we should try to hold all theses players that are under contracts and hopefully keep Crowder. Just add big name FAs this year or the next and add talent with the draft.
Both directions can coexist, I don't think we have to sacrifice what we have for just potential players in this draft.

[rollie mass]

dwight powell had a better d league than young-but if young had stayed at kentucky i believe the boy would be a top 10 lottery-so he really gets to work this summer,has a pre season and gigi won't be out shooting him

[BDeCosta26]

Young has good potential, but as others here said he's basically like a draft pick himself. He really didn't show much in his first NBA season except maybe the ability to shoot. A good shooter can have a role in this league. But all the rest with him is potential. He has the length, but he needs strength if he's ever gonna play the 3 and he's a god awful defender.

Young is a real wild card. It's tough for us as fans to speculate about a guy like him because his value is tied to what the 29 other GMs think about his potential. One of them is on record saying if he was in this draft he'd be a top ten pick but what do they think after his up and down 1st year? If some of them really like him, we might be able to use him and 28 and 33 to move into the lottery. You have to give up stuff to get stuff. Young was the 17th pick last year and if your gonna trade, say, the 9th pick for him your gonna want more in return. Young and 16 for 9 is a pretty fair deal. Even if you add 33 it's a decent deal. A lot of good basketball people say WCS is a likely future DPOY candidate at C. He fits this team perfectly, and would likely contribute right away.

We have a giant surplus of picks and assets. The time is coming to use them. If Young and 16 could get us WCS, I'd probably do that. Even for Johnson I'd probably do that. Add Cauley-Stein to this current team and we could certainly win the Atlantic. Add one more good piece to that and were in business. Love and WCS would be insane, and is certainly possible. Could look to combine Sully, KO, Turner, Zeller or the like for a scoring wing.

[GzUP617]

  It's too early to involve Young in trade talks, I want to see what we have first.  I potentially see him as our future starting SG.

 To even have the idea to involve Young in a throw in deal OR to lose the Nets 2014 draft pick that we received just to move up in this years draft. It sound real backwards to me. Especially when Young himself would of been a top 10 pick this year.

[Csfan1984]

I don't mind if it's a trade to get an established talent but trades where team uses Young to get another draft pick don't really make sense to me. Young still has plenty of potential himself.

[hpantazo]

I don't mind if it's a trade to get an established talent but trades where team uses Young to get another draft pick don't really make sense to me. Young still has plenty of potential himself.

Sure, unless Stevens and Ainge have already seen enough of him to know that he's not worth holding onto, like Fab Melo or JR Giddens for example. They know more about James Young than any otherr GM at this point, as nobody else has seen all that much of him this past year.

[BDeCosta26]

I don't mind if it's a trade to get an established talent but trades where team uses Young to get another draft pick don't really make sense to me. Young still has plenty of potential himself.

Sure, he does have loads of potential. But there's a reason he was picked 17th instead of 7th last year. And this years class, while seeming to lack the possibility of transcendent talent like Embiid, Wiggins and Parker, has a deeper class of slightly lower ceiling talent. Young and a mid-round pick for a top 10 pick in a fairly deep class is a decent trade. Boston can't use all the picks we've acquired. Combining them for a better asset, especially as our team improves and needs higher-ceiling talent, is the Smart play.

Who cares that it was one of the Nets picks? The 2014 pick was the least valuable anyway. We're lucky that pick wasn't higher than it was anyway, cause they under-achieved through the season with that roster. The '16, '17 and '18 picks are gonna be where that deal cashes in. I have a strong feeling Lopez goes to Milwaukee this summer and any hope they had of avoiding the lottery goes with him.

[Csfan1984]

I don't mind if it's a trade to get an established talent but trades where team uses Young to get another draft pick don't really make sense to me. Young still has plenty of potential himself.

Sure, unless Stevens and Ainge have already seen enough of him to know that he's not worth holding onto, like Fab Melo or JR Giddens for example. They know more about James Young than any otherr GM at this point, as nobody else has seen all that much of him this past year.

No one is suspecting that he is like those players I'm sure.

[Csfan1984]

I don't mind if it's a trade to get an established talent but trades where team uses Young to get another draft pick don't really make sense to me. Young still has plenty of potential himself.

Sure, he does have loads of potential. But there's a reason he was picked 17th instead of 7th last year. And this years class, while seeming to lack the possibility of transcendent talent like Embiid, Wiggins and Parker, has a deeper class of slightly lower ceiling talent. Young and a mid-round pick for a top 10 pick in a fairly deep class is a decent trade. Boston can't use all the picks we've acquired. Combining them for a better asset, especially as our team improves and needs higher-ceiling talent, is the Smart play.

Who cares that it was one of the Nets picks? The 2014 pick was the least valuable anyway. We're lucky that pick wasn't higher than it was anyway, cause they under-achieved through the season with that roster. The '16, '17 and '18 picks are gonna be where that deal cashes in. I have a strong feeling Lopez goes to Milwaukee this summer and any hope they had of avoiding the lottery goes with him.

No reason to think a 7-16 pick this year has more potential than Young. Young had an accident, missed work outs and even wouldn't work out for some teams. That is part the reason he slipped to 17. He should have been in 8-14 range. I watched a lot of his college games and he showed a lot more than the guys projected 10-16. Add in team also now has to throw in extra on top of Young. No way. Keep Young and take Lyles, Dekker, or Portis at 16. Young + Portis> than just Turner, Booker or Frank. WCS most likely wouldn't be available at 9 and SJ isn't going to be available as Heat rumors are picking up about them taking SJ or Frank.

[GzUP617]

I don't mind if it's a trade to get an established talent but trades where team uses Young to get another draft pick don't really make sense to me. Young still has plenty of potential himself.

Sure, he does have loads of potential. But there's a reason he was picked 17th instead of 7th last year. And this years class, while seeming to lack the possibility of transcendent talent like Embiid, Wiggins and Parker, has a deeper class of slightly lower ceiling talent. Young and a mid-round pick for a top 10 pick in a fairly deep class is a decent trade. Boston can't use all the picks we've acquired. Combining them for a better asset, especially as our team improves and needs higher-ceiling talent, is the Smart play.

Who cares that it was one of the Nets picks? The 2014 pick was the least valuable anyway. We're lucky that pick wasn't higher than it was anyway, cause they under-achieved through the season with that roster. The '16, '17 and '18 picks are gonna be where that deal cashes in. I have a strong feeling Lopez goes to Milwaukee this summer and any hope they had of avoiding the lottery goes with him.

Their was a reason but it wasn't really based on potential or his skills,  if anything Young should of never dropped to us,  Thanks to Phoenix  @ 14 (selecting TJ Warren)   &  Atlanta  @ 15 (selecting Adreian Payne)  2 guys that were huge reaches.

Trading him for a top 10 pick is pointless, Young is essentially a late lottery pick in himself trading for one for one wouldn't make any sense, especially when it would not be necessary to throw him in such a deal.

Young has a good chance to being one of better players in that years draft class.  We will see.

[BDeCosta26]

I don't mind if it's a trade to get an established talent but trades where team uses Young to get another draft pick don't really make sense to me. Young still has plenty of potential himself.

Sure, he does have loads of potential. But there's a reason he was picked 17th instead of 7th last year. And this years class, while seeming to lack the possibility of transcendent talent like Embiid, Wiggins and Parker, has a deeper class of slightly lower ceiling talent. Young and a mid-round pick for a top 10 pick in a fairly deep class is a decent trade. Boston can't use all the picks we've acquired. Combining them for a better asset, especially as our team improves and needs higher-ceiling talent, is the Smart play.

Who cares that it was one of the Nets picks? The 2014 pick was the least valuable anyway. We're lucky that pick wasn't higher than it was anyway, cause they under-achieved through the season with that roster. The '16, '17 and '18 picks are gonna be where that deal cashes in. I have a strong feeling Lopez goes to Milwaukee this summer and any hope they had of avoiding the lottery goes with him.

No reason to think a 7-16 pick this year has more potential than Young. Young had an accident, missed work outs and even wouldn't work out for some teams. That is part the reason he slipped to 17. He should have been in 8-14 range. I watched a lot of his college games and he showed a lot more than the guys projected 10-16. Add in team also now has to throw in extra on top of Young. No way. Keep Young and take Lyles, Dekker, or Portis at 16. Young + Portis> than just Turner, Booker or Frank. WCS most likely wouldn't be available at 9 and SJ isn't going to be available as Heat rumors are picking up about them taking SJ or Frank.

I totally understand that line of reasoning, and to some extents I agree with it. Your right, he should've been higher than 17th but he was a borderline lottery talent to begin with. If the opportunity comes to get someone you rate higher (which when it comes to WCS, I think the C's do) you use him to trade up if you have to.

Young had the potential to be a really good scorer in this league, but there is still big questions about his defensive ability and desire to get better. We don't need James Young to build a contender here, but we do need a big who can anchor a defense, know what I mean? If WCS or Johnson is number 4 or 5 on your personal big board, Charlotte is willing to give you 9 for Young and 16 and one of those guys is still on the board, you have to make that deal. Like some of the other guys said,  they're both basically draft picks right now. Young's one season really didn't mean much in the scheme of his value. If you can package two decent assets for a better one , you do it.

I think it all comes down to how much you value the players available in that particular trade-up spot. A lot of guys around here are really high on Young, and I totally understand that. But to me, if the chance is there to get a guy we think is a better prospect than Young comes along and Young is the price, you have to do it.

[Sketch5]

I think we hold onto Young for two more seasons unless a crazy deal comes into the works.

He's 19, had a rough start to his NBA career with the car accident and injuries. But he tore up the D-league. He shot well at times when he did get playing time, but did look like a deer in the headlights when it came to defense.

Brad Stevens had said that he's been one of the best players in practice, but come game time he tightens up. Thats the 19 year old right there, trying too hard. Plus the when he was out there the team didn't seem to know how to get him the ball in the right place. But he did make some nice moves when he got some opportunities. If he can translate the D-league play to the NBA, and become a Ray Allen level defender, thats going to be a steal in that draft.

But people being worried about his size and say he needs to gain weight NOW is ridiculous. Give him a couple years, huge weight gain fast isn't good, for young players. Plus he may never be big, but look at guys like Prince and Reggie Miller, straw men, but effective. It's a big reason I wished we kept onto Prince, show our young skinny lefty how to play.

[positivitize]

I'm not trading Young for another year or two.

Some people here are ridiculous. They clamor "We need stars! we should draft for upside! get the player who could be a star!" so we draft a project... and then, less than a year later, they want to trade him for another unproven unknown.

Simmer down. Let Young turn 21 and then we'll talk about shipping him out. Let's see what we've got.

[Vermont Green]

Every player develops differently of course but I think of how Young looked in his rookie year as compared to Avery Bradley.  Avery was very young emotionally or in terms of maturity but you could see he had potential.  I feel the same about Young.  He probably looked better in some ways than Bradley did in his rookie year (offense) but certainly didn't show the grit on defense.

I would not be shocked to see Young included in a deal but I don't want to see him traded just to move up a few spots in the draft.