Poll: Should we offer Tobias Harris the Max

[KG Living Legend]

We might have to offer him the max for Orlando not to match the offer, he's an excellent scorer and rebounder we could really use an upgrade at small forward, he is only 22, plenty of upside not a lot of defense but we could still bring back Crowder. Yes or no on Harris.

[jdz101]

Good to very good player.

Not enough of an impact guy to offer a max deal to long term.

Pretty much tailor made for a bridge deal at high money to see if he pans out fully. Will probably get that or more from Orlando.

Colour me meh.

[crimson_stallion]

I'm going to say no, because of the reasons I just posted on another threat about Tristan Thompson:

We really need to stop with the throwing "would you offer PlayerX the Max" at every player who's over 6'8" and has any semblance of skill.

A max contract should considered for three types of players:

1) Multi-time All-Stars who are still in (or yet to reach) their prime
2) Guys who, if signed, would immediately become the clear best player on your team
3) Guys who may not meet either of the above criteria, but who are extremely young with future superstar potential

Anybody who does not meet any of the above criteria should not, under any circumstances, be offered a max contract.

* Harris definitely does not meet criteria #1
* I'm not convinced Harris meets criteria #2 (is he really better than Thomas, Sully - debatable)
* Harris doesn't meet criteria #3 - he's young and skilled, but I don't see superstar potential

 

[Denis998]

If we offer him a max this off season we will have to pay him 17 million. I think it serves a purpose to put a number amount on a contract rather than throw around a word like "max". Are we willing to pay that much for a guy that is averaging 17ppg 1.8ast, and 6.3 rebounds? Yes he is a good player, but are his stats inflated because he plays on a below average team? Personally I don't think he deserves a max.

[Tr1boy]

No

[KG Living Legend]

Not not even for four years 65 million he would immediately be the go to scorer on our team, he had a lot of buzzer beaters for Orlando, only 22 years old 6'8" big strong kid we don't have any elite scores in this kid is almost there, why not

[Csfan1984]

You offer the max but Magic will match. Probably same happens with Butler. Middleton is probably a guy you can offer the max and get but he isn't a max guy. I myself wouldn't bother with FA. Just stick to building through the draft this year and save $ for 2016.

[Denis998]

Not not even for four years 65 million he would immediately be the go to scorer on our team, he had a lot of buzzer beaters for Orlando, only 22 years old 6'8" big strong kid we don't have any elite scores in this kid is almost there, why not

He would effectively eat up our cap space for the next number of years on that contract. Recall the contracts of Stoudemire, Williams, Johnson, even our own Wallace. That's what I see if we give Harris a max, giving a guy all star money for medial play. Contrary to popular belief, I doubt that DA will throw out max contracts like he is on a episode of Oprah. 

[greece66]

No.
Next question.
(tbh I hope it will be better)

EDIT: the way the poll is formulated, it is somehow misleading.
I quote from Wikipedia "The maximum salary of a player with 6 or fewer years [Harris has 5] of experience is either $9,000,000 or 25% of the total salary cap (2013–14: $14,670,000), whichever is greater."
So, we are talking of 25% of the 2015-16 cap. In other words, there is not much difference between offering him the max and the third option (65 mill,4 years)

[Greyman]

I said NO but I do think the question adds to the issue of what will be achievable/available in FA. There will be players who might not be considered max players who end up being able to use market forces to their advantage and get the max.

Glad it is DA making the decisions and not me.

[crimson_stallion]

Not not even for four years 65 million he would immediately be the go to scorer on our team, he had a lot of buzzer beaters for Orlando, only 22 years old 6'8" big strong kid we don't have any elite scores in this kid is almost there, why not

He's not even close to an elite scorer.

17.7 points per 36 to go with 46%/36%/78%

That's not far off Avery Bradley scoring numbers. 

Bradley averaged 16 points per 36 this season to go with 43%/45%/79% and he put up even better numbers (17.3 PP36 on 44% / 39% / 80%) last season.

And Bradley is a top 10-12 defender in the league at his position, while Harris is bottom 10 at his.

Given how many people here are hurling hate at Danny for over-paying Bradley at $8M a year, even suggesting Harris is worth $15M-$17m is straight up blasphemy. Insanity of the highest degree. 

[greece66]

If the past is any guide, despite much speculation Danny did not offer the max last summer to Hayward.

Some people might say that this was only because he knew Utah would not let him go.

I think the  reason is that we have plenty of young talent coming through the draft this and the couple of years that will follow. Our real problem is that we do not have enough roster spots to accommodate them all.

My sense is that if we offer a max (most likely this will be in 2016) it will be to proven talent that can move the needle from day 1. Otherwise, we have plenty of serviceable young players who need  game experience to improve.

[Greyman]

The more different options are discussed, the more I think greece666 and others might be right, we build through the draft until a real 'proven talent' is available - probably not this Free Agency period.

[LGC88]

Building through the draft is not good enough imo. You'll end up being the Bucks and Raptors of the league.
I believe the right way is using the draft to reload. FA, sign & trade or trades are still the only way to seriously compete for championship. Then use the draft to reload talent when you lose players.
Houston & San Antonio are doing great with this since many years now.
Rebuilding though the draft takes too long and is too random.

[TA9]

We should definitely offer him something. Keep in mind that the salary cap will go up in the next few years and the fact that Harris will be an instant impact on our team at the SF position.

The guy is also very young hence that he'll be a good investment for the future.