Blockbuster trade idea with the Nuggets.

[truthhurts34]

Den receives: Bradley, Sullinger, Wallace exp, 16, 28.

Boston recieves: Lawson and Faried.

We still have our cap space to sign multiple players or a max like Monroe. Maybe even LaMarcus if we're lucky.

Lawson/Thomas
Smart/Young
Crowder/Turner
Faried/Olynyk
Monroe/Zeller

Given denver being reportedly ready to move in from both players and rebuild, I think this is entirely realitsic and works for both sides. Thoughts?

[CFAN38]

I think the trade is a little steep on the Cs side but most good / reasonable trades leave the home town fans feeling they may have over payed.


Actual trade aside I think the roster you have laid out is a poor mix of players.

At Guard Lawson and IT4 are a poor mix as neither has the size to play the and both players command 25+ mpg.

At the PF/C position the fit is also poor. Neither Monroe or Faried create spacing. I am a firm believer that a good NBA offense can survive with no more then one non shooter on the court. Their are always exceptions (IE Rondo and Perk ) but these exceptions require elite talents. Faried or Monroe could make excellent celtics just not together. 

[HomerSapien]

Celtics get fleeced in this deal IMO. As long as we have Isaiah I don't like adding Lawson, and to me Faried is an overrated role player. No thanks.

[coffee425]

It's certainly realistic, but  i see two issues with sending all 3 picks for these two players:

1) When they were the two best players for the Nuggets, they did nothing to make a playoff run so how talented are they really??

2) Lack of PG versatility with the new roster. Lawson and IT are too similar; What happens when a couple of larger guards abuse lawson's defense? Brad subs him with IT? no thanks..

On the opposite hand, faried and crowder are good-similar as they're both versatile enough to guard multiple positions

[truthhurts34]

I think the trade is a little steep on the Cs side but most good / reasonable trades leave the home town fans feeling they may have over payed.


Actual trade aside I think the roster you have laid out is a poor mix of players.

At Guard Lawson and IT4 are a poor mix as neither has the size to play the and both players command 25+ mpg.

At the PF/C position the fit is also poor. Neither Monroe or Faried create spacing. I am a firm believer that a good NBA offense can survive with no more then one non shooter on the court. Their are always exceptions (IE Rondo and Perk ) but these exceptions require elite talents. Faried or Monroe could make excellent celtics just not together.

Olynyk is there for the floor spacing for our bigs. In fact, the variations stevens has to work with in olynyk, faried, Monroe and zeller is extremely more versatile than you give credit.

I get the notion that people are too obsessed with floor spacing pf. We already have one in olynyk, what does adding more olynyks do really? Faried is the Ying to Kelly's yang and gives us more options depending on matchups plain and simple.

Also this is not some final roster, obviously future moves would be made to further shape our team. The point is to improve it.

[truthhurts34]

It's certainly realistic, but  i see two issues with sending all 3 picks for these two players:

1) When they were the two best players for the Nuggets, they did nothing to make a playoff run so how talented are they really??

2) Lack of PG versatility with the new roster. Lawson and IT are too similar; What happens when a couple of larger guards abuse lawson's defense? Brad subs him with IT? no thanks..

On the opposite hand, faried and crowder are good-similar as they're both versatile enough to guard multiple positions

You could easily slide marcus to pg defending duties if that's the case, crowder at SG and turner at sf playing point forward. That was used a bunch this year, it's actually a very versatile roster the more you look at it.

That's what stevens wants, and this is by far a superior team on paper then the one we have. Both talent and complimentary wise.

[86MaxwellSmart]

Faried, Crowder and Smart would be an outrageous Defensive team...All energy all the time....But we STILL would need some outside shooting.

[truthhurts34]

Faried, Crowder and Smart would be an outrageous Defensive team...All energy all the time....But we STILL would need some outside shooting.

That can easily be acquired in the future. This trade allows us to bring in legit talent without breaking the bank with our assets while getting good return.

The bk picks are still in our bank along with a plethora of others.

If Sullinger is not in our future plans, giving up bradley and some mid teens pick and a borderline second for lawson and Faried is absolutely worth it.

[Irish Stew]

Den receives: Bradley, Sullinger, Wallace exp, 16, 28 and a future pick.

Boston recieves: Lawson and Faried.

We still have our cap space to sign multiple players or a max like Monroe. Maybe even LaMarcus if we're lucky.

Lawson/Thomas
Smart/Young
Crowder/Turner
Faried/Olynyk
Monroe/Zeller

Given denver being reportedly ready to move in from both players and rebuild, I think this is entirely realitsic and works for both sides. Thoughts?

Interesting idea but I think that this is one of those rare trade ideas where the Celtics are actually giving up too much, unusual for this site. If you are bringing in Lawson, then there has to be a follow up trade where Thomas is moved. Bringing in Faried doesn't allow you to pair  him with a rim defender like Asik or Biyombo. I guess someone like Koufos has enough offensive skills that maybe you could put him out there with Faried.

[sahara]

We give up way too much. No way.

[truthhurts34]

I try to be as fair as I can when it comes to trade proposals, I just don't think bradley, sullinger 16 and Wallace is enough to land lawson and Faried.

There's a reason people on here want to trade up from 16...yet when it comes to trading it for a player it somehow turns into gold.

Perhaps people simply enjoy debating for debating sake, to me it's a mid teens pick in a draft that is weak at this particular tier. Sullinger is damaged goods entering a contract year. Nothing more, nothing less.

[footey]

Den receives: Bradley, Sullinger, Wallace exp, 16, 28 and a future pick.

Boston recieves: Lawson and Faried.

We still have our cap space to sign multiple players or a max like Monroe. Maybe even LaMarcus if we're lucky.

Lawson/Thomas
Smart/Young
Crowder/Turner
Faried/Olynyk
Monroe/Zeller

Given denver being reportedly ready to move in from both players and rebuild, I think this is entirely realitsic and works for both sides. Thoughts?

When did you become a Nuggets fan?  This is an awful trade, I would have to think about it without the picks. With the picks it is just awful.

[86MaxwellSmart]

I think Lawson and Faried are better players than Bradley and Sullinger....Maybe we can do this and Keep the #16 though....Give them 2 2nd rounders....we got Zillions of those.

[truthhurts34]

I think Lawson and Faried are better players than Bradley and Sullinger....Maybe we can do this and Keep the #16 though....Give them 2 2nd rounders....we got Zillions of those.

If possible sure, I still think that's short. Imo 16 will have to be included but that's just me.

[PhoSita]

I think the Nuggets hang up on any deal involving Lawson unless the Celtics add Smart to the deal.  At the very least, you'd need to give up one of the Brooklyn picks.