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Re: Why did we not go after Mosgov?
« Reply #45 on: June 12, 2015, 04:47:56 PM »

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You're right Zeller's better.   It's important to have a center who can't rebound or guard anyone.
Mozgov is barely a better rebounder (by percentage) and is a worse defender. He has never been regarded as a good defender when he didn't play with the best player in the world.

Zeller is considerably better offensivley - I don't even think that's arguable.

LTP, if we polled 30 GM's, how many do you think would take Zeller over Mozgov?

You may be smarter than some GM's, but not all 30....

Re: Why did we not go after Mosgov?
« Reply #46 on: June 12, 2015, 04:53:48 PM »

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Do you think that New York overpaid for Carmelo Anthony?

Several teams offered him max deal; Knicks only team that could go the extra year.  Not relevant what I think; the league in general thought he was worth it....Personally I am not a fan, but understand his value, especially when he is not hurt.

Sorry, I meant when they traded for him, not his most recent deal.
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Re: Why did we not go after Mosgov?
« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2015, 04:54:01 PM »

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Mozgov is barely a better rebounder (by percentage) and is a worse defender. He has never been regarded as a good defender when he didn't play with the best player in the world.

Only here do people think that.   The Cavs had him and let him go, that ought to show how absurd your comment is in reality.

Re: Why did we not go after Mosgov?
« Reply #48 on: June 12, 2015, 04:59:36 PM »

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Mozgov is good, but was not worth two 1st round picks for a rebuilding team like us. He's totally worth it for the Cavs because they desperately needed a healthy big man for the playoffs, as this run has proven, and because their picks will not be very good. They could not afford to wait until this summer for better big men in free agency also, because they don't have the cap room for them, and because they would have wasted an opportunity for a championship this year.

We however, can get better big men this summer from free agency, or from using our assets to trade up and draft one. Why waste two 1st rounders to get a so-so big man before this summer? It's not like we were going to contend if we had gotten him. Save those assets for better use.

Re: Why did we not go after Mosgov?
« Reply #49 on: June 12, 2015, 05:01:01 PM »

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Mozgov is barely a better rebounder (by percentage) and is a worse defender. He has never been regarded as a good defender when he didn't play with the best player in the world.

Only here do people think that.   The Cavs had him and let him go, that ought to show how absurd your comment is in reality.

Speaking of reality, not only did the Cavs only use Zeller in a pre-James Cleveland, but they traded him away in order to make cap space to sign LeBron. Ultimately they wound up signing Mozgov with the trade exception they created with all of their moves that summer.

It has no bearing on whether or not he was better than Mozgov, because the Cavaliers didn't need Mozgov (or Zeller, or any other 7 footer with a pulse) until the injuries set in.

But, you know, figuring that out involves research and facts. Much easier to just say something and say "reality check."
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Re: Why did we not go after Mosgov?
« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2015, 05:04:31 PM »

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Mozgov is barely a better rebounder (by percentage) and is a worse defender. He has never been regarded as a good defender when he didn't play with the best player in the world.

Only here do people think that.   The Cavs had him and let him go, that ought to show how absurd your comment is in reality.

Speaking of reality, not only did the Cavs only use Zeller in a pre-James Cleveland, but they traded him away in order to make cap space to sign LeBron. Ultimately they wound up signing Mozgov with the trade exception they created with all of their moves that summer.

It has no bearing on whether or not he was better than Mozgov, because the Cavaliers didn't need Mozgov (or Zeller, or any other 7 footer with a pulse) until the injuries set in.

But, you know, figuring that out involves research and facts. Much easier to just say something and say "reality check."

Yep, different team, and different coach when they had Zeller. They also needed the cap room for LBJ and didn't need a center when they thought Varejao was going to be healthy.

Re: Why did we not go after Mosgov?
« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2015, 05:08:18 PM »

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LTP, if we polled 30 GM's, how many do you think would take Zeller over Mozgov?

You may be smarter than some GM's, but not all 30....
I'm smarter than 0 GMs. If I was, I would have figured out how to get paid millions for my bball opinions like they did.

I have no idea what the other 30 GMs would do, I just know what my eyes tell me and I know what my interpretation of the data is.
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Re: Why did we not go after Mosgov?
« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2015, 05:34:23 PM »

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Do you think that New York overpaid for Carmelo Anthony?

Several teams offered him max deal; Knicks only team that could go the extra year.  Not relevant what I think; the league in general thought he was worth it....Personally I am not a fan, but understand his value, especially when he is not hurt.

Sorry, I meant when they traded for him, not his most recent deal.

Well, since Mozgov was included in the trade, I declare that to be a trick question!!

Re: Why did we not go after Mosgov?
« Reply #53 on: June 12, 2015, 06:17:24 PM »

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Re: Why did we not go after Mosgov?
« Reply #54 on: June 12, 2015, 06:21:33 PM »

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Mozgov is barely a better rebounder (by percentage) and is a worse defender. He has never been regarded as a good defender when he didn't play with the best player in the world.

Only here do people think that.   The Cavs had him and let him go, that ought to show how absurd your comment is in reality.

LBJ would make Zeller look much better if not as good as Mozgov has been. Mozgov does have more size defensively though, yes.


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Re: Why did we not go after Mosgov?
« Reply #55 on: June 12, 2015, 06:36:52 PM »

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Let's not ignore that Mozgov looked particular good last night because he was going up again a front court of players a foot shorter than him most of the night.