Maybe Love will leave (or maybe he stays)

[Endless Paradise]

Why am I supposed to think that'll be a problem if the Warriors' starters - around the same ages of Love and Thompson - averaged 28-32 minutes a game and the Spurs' starters have averaged similar minutes for several years? I legitimately don't think they'll care as long as they win (and they will).

The warriors minutes per game this year are probably a bit misleading. They had an extremely large number of games where they were up 15 or more entering the 4th quarter where Curry and the other starters did not play because the game was out of hand. In the previous two seasons Curry's minute were 36.5 and 38. The same pattern is seen with Klay Thompson's minutes. I don't expect them to play 32 minutes per game over the next few seasons. While teams are wising up on limiting players minutes, I think there is a line. If Kevin Love were to play 28 minutes per game it would significantly impact his chances of things like making the all-star team, putting up numbers for the hall of fame, becoming one of the top 20 all time rebounders. While team success is great, I don't think there are many examples of players doing that for an extended period of times in their mid 20's.

Kerr has said they deliberately managed their players' minutes so that they weren't playing too much. He held them out of that one game in the regular season specifically because they were right at the "breaking point" so to speak for where they were risking injury.

The spurs are not a very good argument against this because their stars have had their minutes limited because they were older and had already accomplished a ton in their careers.  When Duncan was 26 he was actually playing 36 minutes a game.

Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard aren't old by any means and Pop has never played either of the two over 32 minutes a game.

Again, I think you're reaching and creating a narrative of an issue that doesn't actually exist. Winning solves everything.

[D.o.s.]

I think I'm with EP. I am sure Thompson will find tens of millions of reasons not to worry too much if the Cavaliers wind up keeping both.

[celticsclay]

Why am I supposed to think that'll be a problem if the Warriors' starters - around the same ages of Love and Thompson - averaged 28-32 minutes a game and the Spurs' starters have averaged similar minutes for several years? I legitimately don't think they'll care as long as they win (and they will).

The warriors minutes per game this year are probably a bit misleading. They had an extremely large number of games where they were up 15 or more entering the 4th quarter where Curry and the other starters did not play because the game was out of hand. In the previous two seasons Curry's minute were 36.5 and 38. The same pattern is seen with Klay Thompson's minutes. I don't expect them to play 32 minutes per game over the next few seasons. While teams are wising up on limiting players minutes, I think there is a line. If Kevin Love were to play 28 minutes per game it would significantly impact his chances of things like making the all-star team, putting up numbers for the hall of fame, becoming one of the top 20 all time rebounders. While team success is great, I don't think there are many examples of players doing that for an extended period of times in their mid 20's.

Kerr has said they deliberately managed their players' minutes so that they weren't playing too much. He held them out of that one game in the regular season specifically because they were right at the "breaking point" so to speak for where they were risking injury.

The spurs are not a very good argument against this because their stars have had their minutes limited because they were older and had already accomplished a ton in their careers.  When Duncan was 26 he was actually playing 36 minutes a game.

Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard aren't old by any means and Pop has never played either of the two over 32 minutes a game.

Again, I think you're reaching and creating a narrative of an issue that doesn't actually exist. Winning solves everything.

We can each probably find statistics that support our point. I definitely do not consider Danny Green a max level star and would be pretty livid if the Celtics gave him max level money. So he is not really relevant to the discussion.

While it is a little surprising that Kawii only got 32 minutes this year he did miss 20 games with injury which could have affected it a little bit. This was also his first year as a star after last year's coming out party in the finals. I would be pretty shocked if he is not closer to 35 minutes next year.

You guys could be right, maybe they truly will both be happy if Cleveland is competing for championships, but this has not been the norm for stars in sports. Generally players will be good soldiers for a year or two while a team is winning, but I really can't think of any examples of a guy making max level money in his early 20's coming off the bench for an extended time. Tristan Thompson could be doing things like leading the league in rebounding. That is a lot harder to do in 30 minutes a game than 35. Hard to imagine that is not going to matter to him when he is 24 years old.

[zubi.anaba]

Why am I supposed to think that'll be a problem if the Warriors' starters - around the same ages of Love and Thompson - averaged 28-32 minutes a game and the Spurs' starters have averaged similar minutes for several years? I legitimately don't think they'll care as long as they win (and they will).

The warriors minutes per game this year are probably a bit misleading. They had an extremely large number of games where they were up 15 or more entering the 4th quarter where Curry and the other starters did not play because the game was out of hand. In the previous two seasons Curry's minute were 36.5 and 38. The same pattern is seen with Klay Thompson's minutes. I don't expect them to play 32 minutes per game over the next few seasons. While teams are wising up on limiting players minutes, I think there is a line. If Kevin Love were to play 28 minutes per game it would significantly impact his chances of things like making the all-star team, putting up numbers for the hall of fame, becoming one of the top 20 all time rebounders. While team success is great, I don't think there are many examples of players doing that for an extended period of times in their mid 20's.

Kerr has said they deliberately managed their players' minutes so that they weren't playing too much. He held them out of that one game in the regular season specifically because they were right at the "breaking point" so to speak for where they were risking injury.

The spurs are not a very good argument against this because their stars have had their minutes limited because they were older and had already accomplished a ton in their careers.  When Duncan was 26 he was actually playing 36 minutes a game.

Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard aren't old by any means and Pop has never played either of the two over 32 minutes a game.

Again, I think you're reaching and creating a narrative of an issue that doesn't actually exist. Winning solves everything.

QFT

[celticsclay]

Why am I supposed to think that'll be a problem if the Warriors' starters - around the same ages of Love and Thompson - averaged 28-32 minutes a game and the Spurs' starters have averaged similar minutes for several years? I legitimately don't think they'll care as long as they win (and they will).

Thanks for coming in adding nothing to a nice discussion. Getting tempted to explore the block feature for the first time in many many years here.

The warriors minutes per game this year are probably a bit misleading. They had an extremely large number of games where they were up 15 or more entering the 4th quarter where Curry and the other starters did not play because the game was out of hand. In the previous two seasons Curry's minute were 36.5 and 38. The same pattern is seen with Klay Thompson's minutes. I don't expect them to play 32 minutes per game over the next few seasons. While teams are wising up on limiting players minutes, I think there is a line. If Kevin Love were to play 28 minutes per game it would significantly impact his chances of things like making the all-star team, putting up numbers for the hall of fame, becoming one of the top 20 all time rebounders. While team success is great, I don't think there are many examples of players doing that for an extended period of times in their mid 20's.

Kerr has said they deliberately managed their players' minutes so that they weren't playing too much. He held them out of that one game in the regular season specifically because they were right at the "breaking point" so to speak for where they were risking injury.

The spurs are not a very good argument against this because their stars have had their minutes limited because they were older and had already accomplished a ton in their careers.  When Duncan was 26 he was actually playing 36 minutes a game.

Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard aren't old by any means and Pop has never played either of the two over 32 minutes a game.

Again, I think you're reaching and creating a narrative of an issue that doesn't actually exist. Winning solves everything.

QFT

This adds nothing to the discussion...

[zubi.anaba]

Why am I supposed to think that'll be a problem if the Warriors' starters - around the same ages of Love and Thompson - averaged 28-32 minutes a game and the Spurs' starters have averaged similar minutes for several years? I legitimately don't think they'll care as long as they win (and they will).

Thanks for coming in adding nothing to a nice discussion. Getting tempted to explore the block feature for the first time in many many years here.

The warriors minutes per game this year are probably a bit misleading. They had an extremely large number of games where they were up 15 or more entering the 4th quarter where Curry and the other starters did not play because the game was out of hand. In the previous two seasons Curry's minute were 36.5 and 38. The same pattern is seen with Klay Thompson's minutes. I don't expect them to play 32 minutes per game over the next few seasons. While teams are wising up on limiting players minutes, I think there is a line. If Kevin Love were to play 28 minutes per game it would significantly impact his chances of things like making the all-star team, putting up numbers for the hall of fame, becoming one of the top 20 all time rebounders. While team success is great, I don't think there are many examples of players doing that for an extended period of times in their mid 20's.

Kerr has said they deliberately managed their players' minutes so that they weren't playing too much. He held them out of that one game in the regular season specifically because they were right at the "breaking point" so to speak for where they were risking injury.

The spurs are not a very good argument against this because their stars have had their minutes limited because they were older and had already accomplished a ton in their careers.  When Duncan was 26 he was actually playing 36 minutes a game.

Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard aren't old by any means and Pop has never played either of the two over 32 minutes a game.

Again, I think you're reaching and creating a narrative of an issue that doesn't actually exist. Winning solves everything.

QFT

This adds nothing to the discussion...

Everything I have ever added to the Klove discussion apparently shows I am bias so decided to stop commenting on it. Will just highlight ppls quotes I agree with.

Tristan Thompson had zero issue coming off the bench in his CONTRACT year! Yet his suppose to have issues with it now he is going to get overpaid? Also Klove and TT have played together tons of times in crunch time this season and actually complement each other incredibly well. This whole notion that they cant play together clearly comes from ppl who dont regurlarly watch the Cavs.

Like EP said. "I think you're reaching and creating a narrative of an issue that doesn't actually exist"

[Moranis]

Curious for others thoughts on this. Perhaps not a huge issue for one year, but do both Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson want to split minutes with each other for the next 4-5 years and pretty much the rest of Kevin Love's prime? Kevin Love played 34 minutes a game this year, but Tristan played only 26 in the regular season (now 36 in the post-season). I don't think Kevin Love wants to play 28-30 minutes at this stage of his career, nor would Thompson. You can't really play either one of them more than a few spot minutes at Center against smaller teams. So how does that work?

Against most teams, especially against back-up centers, Thompson and Love will be fine playing together.  I suspect the rotation would be something like this

C - Mozgov 28, Thompson 14, Varejao 6
PF - Love 32, Thompson 16

Slight variations here and there for the hot hand, match-ups, etc.  Love keeps getting hurt so limiting his minutes a bit in the regular season would be helpful for his health.  Come playoffs, Varejao gets squeezed out of the rotation with most of those minutes going to Love (which you could do in the regular season anyway).

Even under this proposal Thompson is getting 30 minutes a game. That is really low for a young star making max money in his prime whom I am sure would prefer to play the 36 minutes he is getting with Love out. If you look around at other mpg for young stars making max money I don't see any of them making this kind of sacrifice at this stage of their careers.

It isn't that low.  I mean the Raptors won the division and had only 2 players above 30 minutes a game.  Monroe and Drummond were barely above 30 minutes for the Pistons.   James Harden was just above 30 minutes in OKC his last year there (the only year above 30).  Didn't stop him from getting a max contract. 

Thompson at best will be the 4th best player on the Cavs (probably more reasonably 5th behind Mozgov as well as the big 3).  He will be coming off the bench.  30 minutes is like gravy for him.  It will allow him to keep his energy higher and he will be more effective.  You also have to think that Love and Varejao are each going to miss games and Mozgov certainly could as well.  In games when he is hot, he will play more as well.

[celticsclay]

Why am I supposed to think that'll be a problem if the Warriors' starters - around the same ages of Love and Thompson - averaged 28-32 minutes a game and the Spurs' starters have averaged similar minutes for several years? I legitimately don't think they'll care as long as they win (and they will).

Thanks for coming in adding nothing to a nice discussion. Getting tempted to explore the block feature for the first time in many many years here.

The warriors minutes per game this year are probably a bit misleading. They had an extremely large number of games where they were up 15 or more entering the 4th quarter where Curry and the other starters did not play because the game was out of hand. In the previous two seasons Curry's minute were 36.5 and 38. The same pattern is seen with Klay Thompson's minutes. I don't expect them to play 32 minutes per game over the next few seasons. While teams are wising up on limiting players minutes, I think there is a line. If Kevin Love were to play 28 minutes per game it would significantly impact his chances of things like making the all-star team, putting up numbers for the hall of fame, becoming one of the top 20 all time rebounders. While team success is great, I don't think there are many examples of players doing that for an extended period of times in their mid 20's.

Kerr has said they deliberately managed their players' minutes so that they weren't playing too much. He held them out of that one game in the regular season specifically because they were right at the "breaking point" so to speak for where they were risking injury.

The spurs are not a very good argument against this because their stars have had their minutes limited because they were older and had already accomplished a ton in their careers.  When Duncan was 26 he was actually playing 36 minutes a game.

Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard aren't old by any means and Pop has never played either of the two over 32 minutes a game.

Again, I think you're reaching and creating a narrative of an issue that doesn't actually exist. Winning solves everything.

QFT

This adds nothing to the discussion...

Everything I have ever added to the Klove discussion apparently shows I am bias so decided to stop commenting on it. Will just highlight ppls quotes I agree with.

Tristan Thompson had zero issue coming off the bench in his CONTRACT year! Yet his suppose to have issues with it now he is going to get overpaid? Also Klove and TT have played together tons of times in crunch time this season and actually complement each other incredibly well. This whole notion that they cant play together clearly comes from ppl who dont regurlarly watch the Cavs.

Like EP said. "I think you're reaching and creating a narrative of an issue that doesn't actually exist"

Enlarging and Bolding text repeatedly is obnoxious. In the other thread, there were several people noting you posted on the same topic repeatedly and said the same thing. You are back again on the same topic saying the same thing. I was having a nice discussion with EP and Dos and think they both make good points. They also discuss other topics. Since you have actually made I point I will address it

You mention that Thompson came off the bench in a contract year. What choice did he have? If he came out and said he should start over Love he would look like an arrogant headcase and would really hurt his own value. If we have some data on how much time they shared the court together that would actually be useful data. I did watch them play a decent amount this year, perhaps not as much as you, but if there is a traditional big on the opposing team like

Jordan
Gasol
Bogut
Howard
Vucevic
Lopez
Chandler etc

I am curious if Tristan can guard them. Love definitely can't.  There is also a big difference in committing to coming off the bench for one year, versus committing to comming off the bench for 4 years if both players sign extensions.

[celticsclay]

Curious for others thoughts on this. Perhaps not a huge issue for one year, but do both Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson want to split minutes with each other for the next 4-5 years and pretty much the rest of Kevin Love's prime? Kevin Love played 34 minutes a game this year, but Tristan played only 26 in the regular season (now 36 in the post-season). I don't think Kevin Love wants to play 28-30 minutes at this stage of his career, nor would Thompson. You can't really play either one of them more than a few spot minutes at Center against smaller teams. So how does that work?

Against most teams, especially against back-up centers, Thompson and Love will be fine playing together.  I suspect the rotation would be something like this

C - Mozgov 28, Thompson 14, Varejao 6
PF - Love 32, Thompson 16

Slight variations here and there for the hot hand, match-ups, etc.  Love keeps getting hurt so limiting his minutes a bit in the regular season would be helpful for his health.  Come playoffs, Varejao gets squeezed out of the rotation with most of those minutes going to Love (which you could do in the regular season anyway).

Even under this proposal Thompson is getting 30 minutes a game. That is really low for a young star making max money in his prime whom I am sure would prefer to play the 36 minutes he is getting with Love out. If you look around at other mpg for young stars making max money I don't see any of them making this kind of sacrifice at this stage of their careers.

It isn't that low.  I mean the Raptors won the division and had only 2 players above 30 minutes a game.  Monroe and Drummond were barely above 30 minutes for the Pistons.   James Harden was just above 30 minutes in OKC his last year there (the only year above 30).  Didn't stop him from getting a max contract. 

Thompson at best will be the 4th best player on the Cavs (probably more reasonably 5th behind Mozgov as well as the big 3).  He will be coming off the bench.  30 minutes is like gravy for him.  It will allow him to keep his energy higher and he will be more effective.  You also have to think that Love and Varejao are each going to miss games and Mozgov certainly could as well.  In games when he is hot, he will play more as well.

Moranis you could very well be right that 30 minutes is all Thompson would want. However, the Detroit frontcourt you raise is an interesting situation that could be a bit similar. They had three bigs that wanted big minutes (Smith, Drummond and Monroe). When Smith was on Detroit it was really limiting Monroe's minutes. After Smith left, Monroe went from playing 27 minutes a game in December to 31.5 in january, then 34.4 in february and 34 in march. Drummond can play center, so he was not as impacted and did stay around the 32 minute mark all season. I am not sure if that is tied to foul trouble/conditioning or if Drummond will stay in that minute range long term. 

[D.o.s.]

If we have some data on how much time they shared the court together that would actually be useful data

Stats, you say?


75 Games over the regular season, averaging 14.4 minutes of shared floor time.

http://stats.nba.com/league/lineups/#!/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&GroupQuantity=2&TeamID=1610612739&sort=GROUP_NAME&dir=1

[slamtheking]

title sounds like it borrowed from the Country Music charts

[celticsclay]

If we have some data on how much time they shared the court together that would actually be useful data

Stats, you say?


75 Games over the regular season, averaging 14.4 minutes of shared floor time.

http://stats.nba.com/league/lineups/#!/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&GroupQuantity=2&TeamID=1610612739&sort=GROUP_NAME&dir=1

Thanks Dos this is helpful. TP

[MJohnnyboy]

The conundrum that the Cavs have this off-season is they have to think about who they want to pay this summer. Love, Thompson, or both. Teams don't like having guys being paid $15+ million to come off the bench. Considering Love's reputation (even if he didn't fit well on the Cavs he's gonna get paid), and Thompson coming alive this post-season, I'm not not too sure Cleveland will want to pay them both big contracts and I'm not too sure if Love or Thompson will like sacrificing minutes for the other. My gut tells me they will lean towards Thompson because he's better defensively than love is and what's to say they couldn't get that same kind of production out of Channing Frye or Ryan Anderson that they got out of Love this year? I'm not saying Frye or Anderson are at Love's caliber but they are stretch 4s which is what Cleveland had Love be this year. They also can be had for a cheaper price than what Love is going to ask for.

I think Love will leave (I'm fully aware of what he has told the media. Johnny damon said the same thing back in 2005), but I think it's possible Cleveland won't want him back after seeing what Thompson and Mozgov have done together on the defensive side. Granted I'm sure Cleveland would regret letting the guy who they traded Andrew Wiggins for leave for nothing, but in the end it might be what's best for them.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/238128/Cavs-Want-To-Have-The-Big-3-Juggernaut-Again

This new identity has worked for us because of the matchups we’ve had,” David Griffin says. “But we were the best team in the league with the Big Three healthy. We want to be that juggernaut again. We want to be a more talented version of this group of gritty overachievers.”

What are the Cavs supposed to say? "No we don't want him back because we've been just fine without him" while he's been out with an injury and while they are in the finals? Wouldn't that make them look really stupid? From what I recall both Danny and Doc told the media how much they wanted Ray back in 2012. What happened after that?

Plus I said it was possible. Possible does not mean absolutely. Cleveland has clearly shown they don't need Love to compete for a championship. Would Love be nice to have on their squad? Of course! My point though is that for the role they put Kevin Love in, they could get just about the same production out of Frye or Anderson because they play that same position and those two wouldn't have a problem with it like Love did this year AND they would be cheaper.

Plus, did Cleveland really get it together mid-season because of Love? Nope, they got it together after they acquired Mozgov, Smith, and Shumpert, and when Lebron came back to form. I'm just saying the Cavs do have options. It wouldn't surprise me if they keep both Thompson and Love, but I'm just saying they have the option to give it some thought because they've handled themselves well without Love this post-season.

[zubi.anaba]

The conundrum that the Cavs have this off-season is they have to think about who they want to pay this summer. Love, Thompson, or both. Teams don't like having guys being paid $15+ million to come off the bench. Considering Love's reputation (even if he didn't fit well on the Cavs he's gonna get paid), and Thompson coming alive this post-season, I'm not not too sure Cleveland will want to pay them both big contracts and I'm not too sure if Love or Thompson will like sacrificing minutes for the other. My gut tells me they will lean towards Thompson because he's better defensively than love is and what's to say they couldn't get that same kind of production out of Channing Frye or Ryan Anderson that they got out of Love this year? I'm not saying Frye or Anderson are at Love's caliber but they are stretch 4s which is what Cleveland had Love be this year. They also can be had for a cheaper price than what Love is going to ask for.

I think Love will leave (I'm fully aware of what he has told the media. Johnny damon said the same thing back in 2005), but I think it's possible Cleveland won't want him back after seeing what Thompson and Mozgov have done together on the defensive side. Granted I'm sure Cleveland would regret letting the guy who they traded Andrew Wiggins for leave for nothing, but in the end it might be what's best for them.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/238128/Cavs-Want-To-Have-The-Big-3-Juggernaut-Again

This new identity has worked for us because of the matchups we’ve had,” David Griffin says. “But we were the best team in the league with the Big Three healthy. We want to be that juggernaut again. We want to be a more talented version of this group of gritty overachievers.”

What are the Cavs supposed to say? "No we don't want him back because we've been just fine without him" while he's been out with an injury and while they are in the finals? Wouldn't that make them look really stupid?

SO every single thing Cavs and Love say about wanting each other is all just codes for saying they dont want each other huh? OK then.

From what I recall both Danny and Doc told the media how much they wanted Ray back in 2012. What happened after that?

They  DID want Ray back. Hence why they offered him a generous 2yr 12 mill contract. HE turned it down and signed for Heat for about half the money per year because he did not like the bball situation in Boston anymore. Completely diff scenarios with Klove who has indicated he wants to win and intends to stay with Cavs. Ray never made such promises in his final year with Boston.

Plus I said it was possible. Possible does not mean absolutely. Cleveland has clearly shown they don't need Love to compete for a championship. Would Love be nice to have on their squad? Of course! My point though is that for the role they put Kevin Love in, they could get just about the same production out of Frye or Anderson because they play that same position and those two wouldn't have a problem with it like Love did this year AND they would be cheaper.

How would they get Frye/Anderson without out giving up valuable assests or a key part of their core? Would Frye/Anderson teams be willing to trade those players to Cavs without demanding a Kings ransom compared to their value? WHy would Cavs intentionally downgrade talent when they have the potential chance of a dynasty and Dan G has zero problem playing the tax?

Plus, did Cleveland really get it together mid-season because of Love? Nope, they got it together after they acquired Mozgov, Smith, and Shumpert, and when Lebron came back to form. I'm just saying the Cavs do have options. It wouldn't surprise me if they keep both Thompson and Love, but I'm just saying they have the option to give it some thought because they've handled themselves well without Love this post-season.

They do have options, but their best and most logically option is to keep the core and form a potential dynasty. Not much else to say really

[zubi.anaba]

Why am I supposed to think that'll be a problem if the Warriors' starters - around the same ages of Love and Thompson - averaged 28-32 minutes a game and the Spurs' starters have averaged similar minutes for several years? I legitimately don't think they'll care as long as they win (and they will).

Thanks for coming in adding nothing to a nice discussion. Getting tempted to explore the block feature for the first time in many many years here.

The warriors minutes per game this year are probably a bit misleading. They had an extremely large number of games where they were up 15 or more entering the 4th quarter where Curry and the other starters did not play because the game was out of hand. In the previous two seasons Curry's minute were 36.5 and 38. The same pattern is seen with Klay Thompson's minutes. I don't expect them to play 32 minutes per game over the next few seasons. While teams are wising up on limiting players minutes, I think there is a line. If Kevin Love were to play 28 minutes per game it would significantly impact his chances of things like making the all-star team, putting up numbers for the hall of fame, becoming one of the top 20 all time rebounders. While team success is great, I don't think there are many examples of players doing that for an extended period of times in their mid 20's.

Kerr has said they deliberately managed their players' minutes so that they weren't playing too much. He held them out of that one game in the regular season specifically because they were right at the "breaking point" so to speak for where they were risking injury.

The spurs are not a very good argument against this because their stars have had their minutes limited because they were older and had already accomplished a ton in their careers.  When Duncan was 26 he was actually playing 36 minutes a game.

Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard aren't old by any means and Pop has never played either of the two over 32 minutes a game.

Again, I think you're reaching and creating a narrative of an issue that doesn't actually exist. Winning solves everything.

QFT

This adds nothing to the discussion...

Everything I have ever added to the Klove discussion apparently shows I am bias so decided to stop commenting on it. Will just highlight ppls quotes I agree with.

Tristan Thompson had zero issue coming off the bench in his CONTRACT year! Yet his suppose to have issues with it now he is going to get overpaid? Also Klove and TT have played together tons of times in crunch time this season and actually complement each other incredibly well. This whole notion that they cant play together clearly comes from ppl who dont regurlarly watch the Cavs.

Like EP said. "I think you're reaching and creating a narrative of an issue that doesn't actually exist"

Enlarging and Bolding text repeatedly is obnoxious. In the other thread, there were several people noting you posted on the same topic repeatedly and said the same thing. You are back again on the same topic saying the same thing. I was having a nice discussion with EP and Dos and think they both make good points. They also discuss other topics. Since you have actually made I point I will address it

I enlarged the post because it mirrors exactly what I been saying about the Love situation. Klove even alluded to it himself when asked why there is still so much speculation about his future

"It's just the way the world works now. People talk so much and might tell themselves a lie so much they start to believe it. From there, the narrative starts to change. I haven't changed my narrative. I'm going to keep supporting these guys, and we'll be talking to Cleveland after the season."

In an effort to convince yourself that Love will leave the Cavs, you have invented a scenario where Love and TT cant coexist. That scenario is based on nothing but fantasy.

I started commenting on here because I was dumbfounded by alot of the logical reason ppl were making for him leaving that Cavs despite all his assertions to the contrary. From that thread I made, it is clear i was hurting ppls feelings and apparently killing the Klove dream so stopped commenting on it till now. Not sure what the problem is.

You mention that Thompson came off the bench in a contract year. What choice did he have? If he came out and said he should start over Love he would look like an arrogant headcase and would really hurt his own value.

SO to you demanding to start in your contract year makes him come off as a head case/arrogant and a chemistry killer but doing the same after you have gotten overpaid wouldnt do the same? If any thing demanding a start in the contract year is way more understandable given how much potential money he had at stake.

Thats exactly what got Waiters traded. Dion feels he is a star and wanted more touches/pnr for himself. He had no interest in spotting up like Jr/Shump. TT is a role player, knows it and is fine being that. He also knows he is about to get over paid mainly because he plays with Lebron and shares an agent with him. He gets his money, plays 30ish minutes, plays crunchtime, possibly wins some titles. There really isnt a problem. For a role player, that is bball heaven

If we have some data on how much time they shared the court together that would actually be useful data. I did watch them play a decent amount this year, perhaps not as much as you, but if there is a traditional big on the opposing team like

Jordan
Gasol
Bogut
Howard
Vucevic
Lopez
Chandler etc

I am curious if Tristan can guard them. Love definitely can't.  There is also a big difference in committing to coming off the bench for one year, versus committing to comming off the bench for 4 years if both players sign extensions.

Unless those bigs are playing 48mins, they will be mainly guarded by Mozgov. BY the way you really think that Bigs like, Chandler, Vucevic, Jordan, Bogut have good enough combination of size and skill to take advantage of TT? I mean you are really mentioning Bogut after watching him in these Finals?? They only big that would really hurt him is LOpez and Dwight. REgardless those 2 will be mainly guraded by Mozgov. Whatever time they see vs TT isnt going be enough to swing a series.

In the bigger picture, Cavs with their core would be soo much better than those teams that a slight match-up disadvantage here and there isnt going to mean much. No Bigman rotation in the league have given Cavs a problem since they got Mosgoz. That isnt changing next season. Esp when they will have more options with Varejoa back