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We are in an unfortunate situation
« on: June 10, 2015, 04:40:43 PM »

Offline jaketwice

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I don't argue with making the playoffs - teams should try and win. I do not think our four and out will attract any free agents, however.

I don't think we will be any good for many years. Smart is not good enough. Olynyk and Sullinger and James Young are not good enough; and Zeller is good enough to be a back-up, but not good enough to be a major cog in the machine.

It is a sad thing, but I do not think we will get anyone at 16 or 28 who will matter THAT much in our rebuilding. Stevens is a great coach, but he doesn't have THAT much to work with here. If, casual fans, we can all recognize that Kevin Looney and Chris McCollough are not game changers, then don't you think rival executives can see that?

It is unfortunate, but we are not in a position to make a splash this off-season, and I am afraid we don't have much to look forward to next year

Re: We are in an unfortunate situation
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2015, 04:45:15 PM »

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You are missing one ingredient that turn all this negativity into hope and facts :
Danny Ainge

Re: We are in an unfortunate situation
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2015, 04:46:21 PM »

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I agree with some of this, in that I don't envision many players on our current roster contributing meaningfully to the next real Championship run.

What I don't agree with is the certainty that our front office is out of options. 16 and 28 are not exciting in a vacuum, but combined with our other assets they can work to be pot sweeteners while we get our late 2000's Rockets on.
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Re: We are in an unfortunate situation
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2015, 04:48:34 PM »

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A strong argument can be made that there are two types of teams in the NBA -- teams with at least one superstar (i.e. top 10-15 player) that makes it possible to seriously attempt to contend for a title, and then everybody else, stumbling around in the dark trying to grab hold of a star of their own.

If that's your viewpoint, then yeah, the Celts are in an unfortunate position, but they're hardly alone.

Given where the Celts are at -- utterly starless -- I try to just get invested in the process and enjoy how it's unfolding.  It's tough feeling like all of the manuevering and smart moves Ainge might make could amount to less than some poorly managed team lucking its way into a superstar at the top of the draft (e.g. Lakers, Knicks).
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2015, 04:52:40 PM »

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If we land Aldridge, Matthews, Melo, Love, and Ty Lawson, we might be able to sneak a couple years of relevance until the Philly juggernaut takes over the league.

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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2015, 04:57:48 PM »

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If we land Aldridge, Matthews, Melo, Love, and Ty Lawson, we might be able to sneak a couple years of relevance until the Philly juggernaut takes over the league.

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Re: We are in an unfortunate situation
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2015, 05:00:47 PM »

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If Aldridge & Mathiews decide to sign here, you are in contention for 4 years and 1 PG away to be favorite in the East.
And the good part is that you still have plenty of picks.
To me it's harder to find a great coach and create an excellent team chemistry with depth.
Danny ainge only need to wait for the opportunity. It might come soon (Aldridge) or later, but it will come.
At last, I don't understand why "Smart is not good enough". If you expect he's the next Lebron or Westbroock, you are right. For all we know, he might be the next Wade.

Re: We are in an unfortunate situation
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2015, 05:09:03 PM »

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It's hard to turn multiple good players into a great player.

A lot of hopes being pinned on those future Nets picks & Mavs pick.

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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2015, 05:15:37 PM »

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Well, they're not crippled by cap killing salaries or have a roster laden with pass their prime veterans.  They have some young talent with trade value, a boatload of draft pick assets, and cap room down the road.  Aka....they have flexibility.  The problem is that the fans need to have the patience.

Yes, if you're expecting an NBA championship in 2015-16 then you're looking at an unfortunate situation but if you see the current circumstances as part of long term rebuild then there is certainly most reason to be optimistic.  I'd said it before & I'll say it again, if you expected Summer of 2007 all  over again, then you were going to be disappointed. 


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Re: We are in an unfortunate situation
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2015, 05:30:38 PM »

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It's hard to turn multiple good players into a great player.
  It is debatable whether we even have those...

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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2015, 06:33:47 PM »

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Re: We are in an unfortunate situation
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2015, 06:41:10 PM »

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You can either hope for the best or expect the worst.  Its up to you.  You choose to be negative.

I believe in Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens.

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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2015, 06:41:32 PM »

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I don't argue with making the playoffs - teams should try and win. I do not think our four and out will attract any free agents, however.

I don't think we will be any good for many years. Smart is not good enough. Olynyk and Sullinger and James Young are not good enough; and Zeller is good enough to be a back-up, but not good enough to be a major cog in the machine.

It is a sad thing, but I do not think we will get anyone at 16 or 28 who will matter THAT much in our rebuilding. Stevens is a great coach, but he doesn't have THAT much to work with here. If, casual fans, we can all recognize that Kevin Looney and Chris McCollough are not game changers, then don't you think rival executives can see that?

It is unfortunate, but we are not in a position to make a splash this off-season, and I am afraid we don't have much to look forward to next year

This reminds me of this great seinfeld quote on birthdays

 "Well, birthdays are merely symbolic of how another year has gone by and how little we've grown. No matter how desperate we are that someday a better self will emerge, with each flicker of the candles on the cake, we know it's not
to be, that for the rest of our sad, wretched pathetic lives, this is who we areto the bitter end. Inevitably, irrevocably; happy birthday? No such thing.”

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I don't argue with making the playoffs - teams should try and win. I do not think our four and out will attract any free agents, however.

I don't think we will be any good for many years. Smart is not good enough. Olynyk and Sullinger and James Young are not good enough; and Zeller is good enough to be a back-up, but not good enough to be a major cog in the machine.

It is a sad thing, but I do not think we will get anyone at 16 or 28 who will matter THAT much in our rebuilding. Stevens is a great coach, but he doesn't have THAT much to work with here. If, casual fans, we can all recognize that Kevin Looney and Chris McCollough are not game changers, then don't you think rival executives can see that?

It is unfortunate, but we are not in a position to make a splash this off-season, and I am afraid we don't have much to look forward to next year




After reading this it's a wonder why I even follow them. lol

No doubt about it...we need a break.

We need one name player, a good scorer, or a solid big man to invest their talent in the Celtics. We then have the chance to be better than the sum of our parts, and hopefully that will draw in a major name.

To me, a guy that watches every game, being better than the sum of your parts... is exciting. I'm not the type of fan that decieds to "get excited" when they find out the team is dominent, then find out who's the leading scorer and buy their shirt.

The fun is being involved in the voyage.