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Re: Respect to Lebron
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2015, 12:42:18 PM »

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Lebron is a ring chasing golddigger.

Watch him sign with another team if cavs lose. Or have them sign and trade Love for whoever he feels like the team needs

Hope his cavs lose

Now I really hope the Cavs win. ;D

Re: Respect to Lebron
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I hate Lebron with a passion but even I have to give him credit.  he's taking a team of role players (at best) to the title singlehandedly. 

I thought this was a down year for the league based on GSW and Atlanta ending up as the top teams so figured Cleveland would make the finals despite what a number of people here thought.  I picked Cavs in 6 in the thread that's been floating around about predicting the finals and it seems I could very well end up right. 

GSW can be beat by Lebron and he's showing he's the best in the game.  I want to see him fail so badly but I can't deny he's playing out of his mind this series so far and it's not completely because of lopsided officiating either.

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Have to admit it, I'm rooting for LeBron in this series. Winning it all without either Love, Kyrie, or Varejao would be one of the greatest accomplishments in NBA history.

This.

My dislike for LeBron waned somewhere in the middle of his run in Miami.  I think some of it was seeing Wade's dirty play and realizing that LeBron doesn't typically resort to stuff like that.  Behind his whining and arrogance, LeBron had never really done anything worthy of hate.  Another part of it was the admission that Boston was on its way down, a fact punctuated by the trade of Pierce and KG.  No point in wasting negative emotion on a rivalry that no longer really exists.

And I'm happy for that, because it's allowing me to appreciate what he's doing right now.  He's leaving everything out there on the court, he's playing at both ends, and he's doing it for a team where his second- and third-best players are probably Matthew Dellavedova and Timofey Mosgov - and, to this point, he's winning.  This is unreal, and if he actually pulls this off then it would be one of the most memorable sports triumphs I've ever seen. 

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Re: Respect to Lebron
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Have to admit it, I'm rooting for LeBron in this series. Winning it all without either Love, Kyrie, or Varejao would be one of the greatest accomplishments in NBA history.

This.

My dislike for LeBron waned somewhere in the middle of his run in Miami.  I think some of it was seeing Wade's dirty play and realizing that LeBron doesn't typically resort to stuff like that.  Behind his whining and arrogance, LeBron had never really done anything worthy of hate.  Another part of it was the admission that Boston was on its way down, a fact punctuated by the trade of Pierce and KG.  No point in wasting negative emotion on a rivalry that no longer really exists.

Mostly agree, though I'm still rooting for the Warriors.  But most of what I disliked about younger LeBron was A. Frequent prancing and preening, in conjunction with B. Hadn't won any titles yet.  Also being really really good and in Boston's way didn't help.

But he cut way down on that stuff once he got to Miami.  Very little dancing on the sidelines in a regular season game type antics.  I wanted the league to humble LeBron a bit before he finally started collecting rings, and I think that mostly happened.  Now I don't root for the guy, but I do try and appreciate what an incredible player he is.  If we live another 50 years we'll only see a handful of guys at that level again. 

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Re: Respect to Lebron
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Another part of it was the admission that Boston was on its way down, a fact punctuated by the trade of Pierce and KG.  No point in wasting negative emotion on a rivalry that no longer really exists.

So much this.
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Re: Respect to Lebron
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2015, 02:26:48 PM »

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Can't disagree, and I despise Lebron extremely.

I will say Golden State has been off (I worry they may be the 2012 Thunder part deux) but nonetheless, Lebron's been phenomenal. If he wins this, there's no doubt in my mind he's a top 5 player of all time. If he does something like this again, he's in the Jordan-Russell discussion. Just putting that out there now. I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying that.


I don't think Jordan ever won a title when surrounded by as little talent as Lebron has right now. 


The Bulls were a 55 win team without Jordan.   We have plenty of proof that the Cavs/Heat without LeBron don't even make the playoffs.

And when Jordan returned, the Bulls went from 47 wins to 72 wins.  The most wins in NBA history.

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Can't disagree, and I despise Lebron extremely.

I will say Golden State has been off (I worry they may be the 2012 Thunder part deux) but nonetheless, Lebron's been phenomenal. If he wins this, there's no doubt in my mind he's a top 5 player of all time. If he does something like this again, he's in the Jordan-Russell discussion. Just putting that out there now. I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying that.


I don't think Jordan ever won a title when surrounded by as little talent as Lebron has right now. 


The Bulls were a 55 win team without Jordan.   We have plenty of proof that the Cavs/Heat without LeBron don't even make the playoffs.

And when Jordan returned, the Bulls went from 47 wins to 72 wins.  The most wins in NBA history.
They did add another HOFer with Jordan though.
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« Reply #39 on: June 10, 2015, 02:42:54 PM »

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Can't disagree, and I despise Lebron extremely.

I will say Golden State has been off (I worry they may be the 2012 Thunder part deux) but nonetheless, Lebron's been phenomenal. If he wins this, there's no doubt in my mind he's a top 5 player of all time. If he does something like this again, he's in the Jordan-Russell discussion. Just putting that out there now. I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying that.


I don't think Jordan ever won a title when surrounded by as little talent as Lebron has right now. 


The Bulls were a 55 win team without Jordan.   We have plenty of proof that the Cavs/Heat without LeBron don't even make the playoffs.

And when Jordan returned, the Bulls went from 47 wins to 72 wins.  The most wins in NBA history.

However, they were still a conference semi-final team in '94-95 (and had Jordan for 17 regular season games).    That wasn't exactly a chopped liver squad.  They pushed ORL to 6 games.  The win increase is certainly impressive but I wouldn't put that squad in the same breath as turnarounds like SAS in '98 or BOS in '08 or CLE this year. 


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Re: Respect to Lebron
« Reply #40 on: June 10, 2015, 02:53:14 PM »

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Have to admit it, I'm rooting for LeBron in this series. Winning it all without either Love, Kyrie, or Varejao would be one of the greatest accomplishments in NBA history.

This.

My dislike for LeBron waned somewhere in the middle of his run in Miami.  I think some of it was seeing Wade's dirty play and realizing that LeBron doesn't typically resort to stuff like that.  Behind his whining and arrogance, LeBron had never really done anything worthy of hate.  Another part of it was the admission that Boston was on its way down, a fact punctuated by the trade of Pierce and KG.  No point in wasting negative emotion on a rivalry that no longer really exists.

Mostly agree, though I'm still rooting for the Warriors.  But most of what I disliked about younger LeBron was A. Frequent prancing and preening, in conjunction with B. Hadn't won any titles yet.  Also being really really good and in Boston's way didn't help.

But he cut way down on that stuff once he got to Miami.  Very little dancing on the sidelines in a regular season game type antics.  I wanted the league to humble LeBron a bit before he finally started collecting rings, and I think that mostly happened.  Now I don't root for the guy, but I do try and appreciate what an incredible player he is.  If we live another 50 years we'll only see a handful of guys at that level again.

The hate for LeBron is petty.  People find the weakest stuff to latch onto.  "He preens!"... Give me a break.  We look at players these days with an unfair microscope.  It's such a cynical world and people can no longer appreciate greatness without trying to tear it down.   LeBron is amazing.  Nobody is perfect.   "But he preens though!!"... Who cares.

MIchael Jordan might have been the biggest **** in league history.  We have plenty of stories backing this up at this point.   Michael Jordan never won without another legendary player alongside him (Bulls won 55 games without him... Cavs/Heat fail to make the playoffs without LeBron).   LeBron preens... Jordan had a gambling addiction.   LeBron takes 2 weeks off after leading his team to 4 non-stop brutal years of leading his team to the finals.  You know what Michael Jordan was doing at the same point of his career?... taking a year and a half off.

My favorite player ever is Larry Bird.  Larry Bird was one of the biggest punks in League history.  You want to complain about LeBron's ego?  Bird would get bored in games and exclusively shoot left handed.  Bird was one of the biggest trash talkers in league history.  You wanna complain about LeBron taking a 2 week break?   Larry Bird apparently wrecked his finger in a BAR FIGHT that impacted his playoff performance.  Can you even fathom a world in which LeBron James wrecked his right index finger in a bar fight?  Can you imagine what twitter armies would do to him?  The non-stop barrage of articles, blog posts, and forum articles about his dedication to the game? 

But Bird's incident happened pre-internet... so we really didn't even hear about it until long after he retired.  There weren't instagram photos and tweets from bar patrons who saw it happen.  TMZ wasn't outside to document the whole thing.


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On the night of May 16, 1985, in the middle of the Eastern Conference finals between the Celtics and Sixers, Bird was involved in a scuffle that started at a now-defunct bar called Chelsea?s and spilled out to the corner of State Street and Merchant?s Row. After the altercation, Mike Harlow, a bartender/former Colgate football player, claimed he was sucker-punched by Bird. Nick Harris, a man who was with Bird and Quinn Buckner on the night of the incident, was treated at Massachusetts General Hospital?s emergency room that night.

There was a lawsuit and a settlement. The Celtics told Bird to stay away from Harris. None of the parties ever talked about it.

Bird's right index finger was badly swollen in the days after the fight. He claimed he injured it May 18 in a game at Philadelphia, two days after the fight. He shot 46 percent in the ?85 playoffs. In his other two MVP seasons, when the Celtics won the championship, he shot 52 percent each year.

Bird didn?t speak to me for seven months after I wrote the Chelsea?s story in 1985. Twenty years later, when I teased him about it, he said, ?I hit that guy [Harlow] with my left hand!??

Can you imagine if such a story were to happen to LeBron in 2015?  I mean, can you imagine even seeing a story about LeBron hanging out in a bar during the ECF?  He did a brief post-game interview yesterday with D-Wade (who was one of the broadcasters last night) and fans freaked out about him spending so much time doing media when he should have been resting up for the next game.

I mean... with the way people are so loose at describing LeBron's character flaws (omg, he threw a towel on the floor... LeBron has no respect for ball boys!)  can you imagine the kind of negativity publicity Larry Bird would have gotten had the story about him "abandoning his daughter" came out with him playing basketball during the internet culture?  You think they would have been fair about it and listened to Bird's side of the story?... or would we have had a billion blog posts about how Larry Bird was the worst person in the NBA?

LeBron is cool in my book.  I'm enjoying watching him.  I'm rooting for him. 
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Re: Respect to Lebron
« Reply #41 on: June 10, 2015, 02:57:05 PM »

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I just wanted to say, respect to Lebron.

Throughout the season and the Playoffs everybody has been writing off what Lebron has achieved for his team. 

First it was "Lebron needs two other stars to win". 
Then it was "The East is weak, he'd fail in the West'
Then it was "He had an easy playoff run"

I must admit, I pretty much said every one of those things myself, at some point or other.

But right now, Lebron has no stars playing alongside him, and he's playing a Western Conference team that's pretty much healthy, and that happens to be THE best team in the NBA this year...and he has the Cavs up 2-1.

If the Cavs are able to beat the Warriors without Irving or Love, then that will pretty much silence any argument that anybody can ever make against Lebron being one of the greatest to ever play the game.

Even if the Cavs do get eliminated, the fact that they even competed against the Warriors in their current state is a testament to just how great a player Lebron is. 

I may dislike him as a person.  He he may be arrogant. He may even be an entitled, princess Diva. 

But whatever he is, the man has game...gotta respect that.   

Disclaimer: I know that the flaming will come my way for what I'm about to write.  I'm ready to accept that.

No flaming from me, CS. I'm pretty much of the same mind as you.

In fact, as I wrote in the game thread last night, I think I'm going to just fully jump onto the LeBron bandwagon. Throughout my adult life, I've always despised the league's Chosen Ones—Jordan, Kobe, LeBron—and I always suffered because of it, because they had so much success.

Well, no more. LeBron's entitled, he gets too many calls, and just generally out of touch with everyday people, but his talent level is undeniable. I may even cash in my stockpile of Amazon gift cards for a LeBron Cavs jersey. Which color do you guys think is better—blue or yellow?
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Re: Respect to Lebron
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Have to admit it, I'm rooting for LeBron in this series. Winning it all without either Love, Kyrie, or Varejao would be one of the greatest accomplishments in NBA history.

This.

My dislike for LeBron waned somewhere in the middle of his run in Miami.  I think some of it was seeing Wade's dirty play and realizing that LeBron doesn't typically resort to stuff like that.  Behind his whining and arrogance, LeBron had never really done anything worthy of hate.  Another part of it was the admission that Boston was on its way down, a fact punctuated by the trade of Pierce and KG.  No point in wasting negative emotion on a rivalry that no longer really exists.

Mostly agree, though I'm still rooting for the Warriors.  But most of what I disliked about younger LeBron was A. Frequent prancing and preening, in conjunction with B. Hadn't won any titles yet.  Also being really really good and in Boston's way didn't help.

But he cut way down on that stuff once he got to Miami.  Very little dancing on the sidelines in a regular season game type antics.  I wanted the league to humble LeBron a bit before he finally started collecting rings, and I think that mostly happened.  Now I don't root for the guy, but I do try and appreciate what an incredible player he is.  If we live another 50 years we'll only see a handful of guys at that level again.

The hate for LeBron is petty.  People find the weakest stuff to latch onto.  "He preens!"... Give me a break.  We look at players these days with an unfair microscope.  It's such a cynical world and people can no longer appreciate greatness without trying to tear it down.   LeBron is amazing.  Nobody is perfect.   "But he preens though!!"... Who cares.

MIchael Jordan might have been the biggest **** in league history.  We have plenty of stories backing this up at this point.   Michael Jordan never won without another legendary player alongside him (Bulls won 55 games without him... Cavs/Heat fail to make the playoffs without LeBron).   LeBron preens... Jordan had a gambling addiction.   LeBron takes 2 weeks off after leading his team to 4 non-stop brutal years of leading his team to the finals.  You know what Michael Jordan was doing at the same point of his career?... taking a year and a half off.

My favorite player ever is Larry Bird.  Larry Bird was one of the biggest punks in League history.  You want to complain about LeBron's ego?  Bird would get bored in games and exclusively shoot left handed.  Bird was one of the biggest trash talkers in league history.  You wanna complain about LeBron taking a 2 week break?   Larry Bird apparently wrecked his finger in a BAR FIGHT that impacted his playoff performance.  Can you even fathom a world in which LeBron James wrecked his right index finger in a bar fight?  Can you imagine what twitter armies would do to him?  The non-stop barrage of articles, blog posts, and forum articles about his dedication to the game? 

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On the night of May 16, 1985, in the middle of the Eastern Conference finals between the Celtics and Sixers, Bird was involved in a scuffle that started at a now-defunct bar called Chelsea?s and spilled out to the corner of State Street and Merchant?s Row. After the altercation, Mike Harlow, a bartender/former Colgate football player, claimed he was sucker-punched by Bird. Nick Harris, a man who was with Bird and Quinn Buckner on the night of the incident, was treated at Massachusetts General Hospital?s emergency room that night.

There was a lawsuit and a settlement. The Celtics told Bird to stay away from Harris. None of the parties ever talked about it.

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?Hey, we got a guy who gets his hand busted up in a barroom fight. That wasn?t me. But I?m never going to win this one. He?s Larry Bird!??

Max has a point. Bird?s right index finger was badly swollen in the days after the fight. He claimed he injured it May 18 in a game at Philadelphia, two days after the fight. He shot 46 percent in the ?85 playoffs. In his other two MVP seasons, when the Celtics won the championship, he shot 52 percent each year.

Bird didn?t speak to me for seven months after I wrote the Chelsea?s story in 1985. Twenty years later, when I teased him about it, he said, ?I hit that guy [Harlow] with my left hand!??

Can you imagine if such a story were to happen to LeBron in 2015?  I mean... with the way people are so loose at describing LeBron's character flaws (omg, he threw a towel on the floor... LeBron has no respect for ball boys!)  can you imagine the kind of negativity publicity Larry Bird would have gotten had the story about him "abandoning his daughter" came out with him playing basketball during the internet culture?  You think they would have been fair about it and listened to Bird's side of the story?... or would we have had a billion blog posts about how Larry Bird was the worst person in the NBA?

LeBron is cool in my book.  I'm enjoying watching him.  I'm rooting for him.
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Re: Respect to Lebron
« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2015, 03:14:06 PM »

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The beauty of sports is that you can root for (and against) whomever you want for whatever reason and they're all of equal validity. It's all petty and stupid and pointless if you bring it down to brass tacks: you're cheering for (or against) someone you don't know based on something as vapid as (mostly) geographic allegiance while giving money to people who ultimately don't give a crap about you and don't contribute to society in a meaningful way.

In fact, you could use that season ticket/league pass/memorabilia money in many other ways that would be "better" and less "petty" than by spending any amount of money, time, effort, or energy on sports, which are one of the least essential aspects of human life. You can make the exact same argument against the arts.

To my mind, that misses the whole point of the adventure. Logic ain't got no room at this table (as anyone who has ever argued with anyone about sports has ever realized) before fandom.

TL; DR: "LeBron preens so I don't like him" is just as valid an expression of sports fandom as a 187-page annotated thesis on whether or not he's the best player ever.
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Have to admit it, I'm rooting for LeBron in this series. Winning it all without either Love, Kyrie, or Varejao would be one of the greatest accomplishments in NBA history.

This.

My dislike for LeBron waned somewhere in the middle of his run in Miami.  I think some of it was seeing Wade's dirty play and realizing that LeBron doesn't typically resort to stuff like that.  Behind his whining and arrogance, LeBron had never really done anything worthy of hate.  Another part of it was the admission that Boston was on its way down, a fact punctuated by the trade of Pierce and KG.  No point in wasting negative emotion on a rivalry that no longer really exists.

Mostly agree, though I'm still rooting for the Warriors.  But most of what I disliked about younger LeBron was A. Frequent prancing and preening, in conjunction with B. Hadn't won any titles yet.  Also being really really good and in Boston's way didn't help.

But he cut way down on that stuff once he got to Miami.  Very little dancing on the sidelines in a regular season game type antics.  I wanted the league to humble LeBron a bit before he finally started collecting rings, and I think that mostly happened.  Now I don't root for the guy, but I do try and appreciate what an incredible player he is.  If we live another 50 years we'll only see a handful of guys at that level again.

The hate for LeBron is petty.  People find the weakest stuff to latch onto.  "He preens!"... Give me a break.  We look at players these days with an unfair microscope.  It's such a cynical world and people can no longer appreciate greatness without trying to tear it down.   LeBron is amazing.  Nobody is perfect.   "But he preens though!!"... Who cares.

MIchael Jordan might have been the biggest **** in league history.  We have plenty of stories backing this up at this point.   Michael Jordan never won without another legendary player alongside him (Bulls won 55 games without him... Cavs/Heat fail to make the playoffs without LeBron).   LeBron preens... Jordan had a gambling addiction.   LeBron takes 2 weeks off after leading his team to 4 non-stop brutal years of leading his team to the finals.  You know what Michael Jordan was doing at the same point of his career?... taking a year and a half off.

My favorite player ever is Larry Bird.  Larry Bird was one of the biggest punks in League history.  You want to complain about LeBron's ego?  Bird would get bored in games and exclusively shoot left handed.  Bird was one of the biggest trash talkers in league history.  You wanna complain about LeBron taking a 2 week break?   Larry Bird apparently wrecked his finger in a BAR FIGHT that impacted his playoff performance.  Can you even fathom a world in which LeBron James wrecked his right index finger in a bar fight?  Can you imagine what twitter armies would do to him?  The non-stop barrage of articles, blog posts, and forum articles about his dedication to the game? 

But Bird's incident happened pre-internet... so we really didn't even hear about it until long after he retired.  There weren't instagram photos and tweets from bar patrons who saw it happen.  TMZ wasn't outside to document the whole thing.


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On the night of May 16, 1985, in the middle of the Eastern Conference finals between the Celtics and Sixers, Bird was involved in a scuffle that started at a now-defunct bar called Chelsea?s and spilled out to the corner of State Street and Merchant?s Row. After the altercation, Mike Harlow, a bartender/former Colgate football player, claimed he was sucker-punched by Bird. Nick Harris, a man who was with Bird and Quinn Buckner on the night of the incident, was treated at Massachusetts General Hospital?s emergency room that night.

There was a lawsuit and a settlement. The Celtics told Bird to stay away from Harris. None of the parties ever talked about it.

Bird's right index finger was badly swollen in the days after the fight. He claimed he injured it May 18 in a game at Philadelphia, two days after the fight. He shot 46 percent in the ?85 playoffs. In his other two MVP seasons, when the Celtics won the championship, he shot 52 percent each year.

Bird didn?t speak to me for seven months after I wrote the Chelsea?s story in 1985. Twenty years later, when I teased him about it, he said, ?I hit that guy [Harlow] with my left hand!??

Can you imagine if such a story were to happen to LeBron in 2015?  I mean, can you imagine even seeing a story about LeBron hanging out in a bar during the ECF?  He did a brief post-game interview yesterday with D-Wade (who was one of the broadcasters last night) and fans freaked out about him spending so much time doing media when he should have been resting up for the next game.

I mean... with the way people are so loose at describing LeBron's character flaws (omg, he threw a towel on the floor... LeBron has no respect for ball boys!)  can you imagine the kind of negativity publicity Larry Bird would have gotten had the story about him "abandoning his daughter" came out with him playing basketball during the internet culture?  You think they would have been fair about it and listened to Bird's side of the story?... or would we have had a billion blog posts about how Larry Bird was the worst person in the NBA?

LeBron is cool in my book.  I'm enjoying watching him.  I'm rooting for him.

I think you are twisting and turning things to help Lebron in the Lebron vs Jordan comparison.

That said, you have an interesting point about Jordan being a jerk.  That's true.  Lebron is actually a pretty good guy.  So why was/is Jordan so much more popular?  Basketball aside, I think it's a personality thing.  Jordan was a man's man who gambled, womanized, was a terrible father, and didn't care what people thought.  Lebron is nice to people, does charity, is a family guy, but seems to be concerned about what people think of him.  I don't know.  I can't quite get my head around it.  It's an interesting subject.