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Re: Would Danny go after Melo if we land Gasol, Aldridge, or Love?
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2015, 08:03:19 PM »

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Boy if Melo became available I'd bite.

He impressed me with his last full healthy year in NY. Kept his mouth shut, kept his head down, and had one of his most productive seasons EVER, and was rather efficient.

He can score just as well (if not better) than LeBron, he rebounds, he can dish. He showed defensive improvements, too.

If he can be had I'd love that.

A LaMarcus, Melo and WCS frontline would make me happy if Danny could pull that off.

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I have to agree.

I really don't get the mentality of guys around here - anybody who can score but isn't a great defender immediately gets labelled as soft, as a cancer, as a chucker, as a bad team player, etc.

Melo had his diva moments when he left Denver for New York, but since then I actually feel like he's upheld himself very well.  Since joining the Knicks I rarely hear of him ever making bad comments in the media.  Last free agency, he handled himself well - didn't talk too much, didn't go requesting trades, nothing.  Just quietly spoke to all of his suiters, and then signed back with the Knicks despite them not really having a lot of potential (no cap space / picks / talent at the time). 

Unlike some prima-donna stars (ahem Lebron, Rose) I feel llike Melo has really improved his attitude a lot in the past 3 or 4 seasons.

Also no matter what others seem to believe, I don't see Melo as a soft guy at all.  He's as clutch as they come, and he backs down from nobody - he seems to have no problem taking contact and putting his body on the line.  Plus every time we play against Melo, the guys scares the hell out of me - I'm forever worried he's just going to take over and score 60.  He's the type of offensive talent that opposing teams build their entire gameplan around trying to stop (or at least slow down) - that's how much attention he draws. 

Melo is a Kobe/Jordan like offensive player in that he has that killer instinct - when he gets in the zone, he is absolutely undefendable.  He's probably top four n the NBA (along with Lebron, Kobe and Harden) at making difficult shots - by that I mean fadeaways, shots with a hand in his face, shots with contact, etc).  That makes him incredibly difficult to guard because for Melo taking a shot with a hand in his face is not that different to taking a wide open shot.  All you can do is try to deny him the ball (easier said then done), foul him (he's a very good FT shooter) or try to throw 3 defenders at him (in which case he's a good enough passer to find the open man).

Yeah I know he's a bad defender (or more appropriately, a lazy defender - he's actually capable of defending when he tries) but he's a perimeter player and we have very good perimeter defenders.  We can afford to have one guy whos a bad defender, as long as said guy is an ELITE offensive player, which Melo certainly is.

People say Melo isn't a winner, as he's never won a title.  But to be fair look at the teams he's had - has he ever REALLY played on a championship caliber team? I mean he's played on some 'pretty good' teams, sure...but GREAT teams?  I don't think so.  The Knicks team a few seasons back (with healthy Amare and Chandler) was probably the best team he's ever played on, and that team actually did pretty well.  He also got relatively deep in the playoffs on one or two of his nuggets teams, despite them never really being elite teams.

Melo is a pretty competitive guy - when I watch him play on the big stage, he always looks like he's putting in 110% effort, even if his team doesn't always win. 

I don't know, I kinda feel like people don't give the guy the respect he deserves, yet guys like Harden and Durant (who are also volume shooters who don't defend) get put up on a pedestal and worshipped. 

To me Melo impresses me more than either of those two guys because he's not an elite athlete by any stretch of the imagination.  He's around 6'8" and 240 pounds so he is (like Pierce) very strong...but his length and height for his position are good (rather than great), and he doesn't have dominant quickness laterally or speed end-to-end.  Much like Paul Pierce, he dominates opponents with basketball IQ, offensive skillset, footwork, body control and pure determination.  I respect that. 

The guy straight up knows how to play, which is why I think Melo (like Pierce) will still be a very effective player in to his mid-to-late 30s so long as he stays healthy.

Re: Would Danny go after Melo if we land Gasol, Aldridge, or Love?
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2015, 08:09:29 PM »

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Carmelo has gone by that "point" in his career.  He could have stepped his game up, worked on all aspects and become a superstar at some point in his career.  His averages are nice but I wouldn't want him anywhere near our team.
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Re: Would Danny go after Melo if we land Gasol, Aldridge, or Love?
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2015, 09:34:24 PM »

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Re: Would Danny go after Melo if we land Gasol, Aldridge, or Love?
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2015, 11:42:23 PM »

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Carmelo has gone by that "point" in his career.  He could have stepped his game up, worked on all aspects and become a superstar at some point in his career.  His averages are nice but I wouldn't want him anywhere near our team.
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Umm...

He is a superstar lol

Re: Would Danny go after Melo if we land Gasol, Aldridge, or Love?
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2015, 12:21:11 AM »

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Just remember that Melo is more of a "winner" than Chris Paul because he came within 2 games of making the Finals and Chris Paul has never made it past the second round.
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Re: Would Danny go after Melo if we land Gasol, Aldridge, or Love?
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2015, 01:11:24 AM »

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Melo is an aging star, with a suspect knee, an incredibly bad contract, and a bad attitude.

If we could get Rondo back, as a player coach, and add in Cousins at center. Josh Smith is a friend of Rondo, and is also a free agent, he'd fit right in with what we're trying to do.   ::) ::)

Rondo
Smart or AB or Turner
Melo
Smith
Cousins

I know you were joking, but that would be a pretty good team and as plausible as other bong shot, pie in the sky ideas. At that point, why not see if you can't go all in and pick up Lance.

Re: Would Danny go after Melo if we land Gasol, Aldridge, or Love?
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2015, 02:33:53 AM »

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Melo is the worst ball-stopper in the league, perhaps of our generation. For that reason, he's a cancer to any team. LBJ is right now taking his former team to title contention... and why? Because he's a two-way player that can get his AND set others up for theirs. There are few in the league I'd dislike more than Melo on this team. If you think you can run an offense through him, solely, and win a chip.. god bless. I don't see it happening, and he will go down without ever winning no matter who he is surrounded by.
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Re: Would Danny go after Melo if we land Gasol, Aldridge, or Love?
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2015, 03:13:33 AM »

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Melo is the worst ball-stopper in the league, perhaps of our generation. For that reason, he's a cancer to any team.
I don't agree with that.  His resume/stats/reputation at this point of his career is about even with Paul Pierce in 2007 prior to being joined by Ray and KG... except that Melo's resume is actually more impressive with FAR more success than Pierce ever had pre-KG. 

Re: Would Danny go after Melo if we land Gasol, Aldridge, or Love?
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2015, 03:17:55 AM »

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I wrote my thoughts about Melo back in December when I suggested going all-in on a trade for him.  Here's a snippet of that:

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Carmelo Anthony is not a popular name amongst Celtic fans.  Maybe it's because he plays for the hated Knicks.  Perhaps it's partially a perception of his personality.    He's seen an egomaniac, a cry baby, a whiner, a quitter.  Part of it is likely because he forced a trade from Denver to New York.  Quitting on your "Mom and Pop shop" small market team has never sat well with casual fans... *cough* LeBron *cough*.   I always see him frequently labelled as a selfish, inefficient perennial loser.   Some of these gripes might be legitimate.  That said, many of these complaints feel off-base to me. 

Look, I'm not a huge Melo fan, but I see him for what he is.  He's a 30 year old all-star talent in his prime who averaged 27.4 points, 8.1 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 1.2 steals on an efficient 45%/40%/85% shooting last season.   This idea that he's inefficient is nonsense.  He's a fairly efficient go-to scorer that you can absolutely build an offense around.  He's also known as one of the most clutch end-of-game performers in the entire league (frequently ranked towards the top in 82games sortable clutch stats).    The idea that he's a perennial loser is also equally nonsensical.  While Melo was a Freshman at Syracuse leading them to the NCAA Championship, the Nuggets were on their way to a 17 win season.  After drafting Melo, the Nuggets proceeded to make the playoffs 7 years in a row with between 43-54 wins each season (culminating with the Nuggets making the Western Conference finals in 2009).  Melo's arrival in New York saw them go from a 29 win team to three straight playoff appearances. 

Think about this when you look at our own "star" player Rajon Rondo and his failure to thus-far lead a team even to a .500 record as the team's best player (we were a whopping 6-24 last season with Rondo at the helm).   Yes, Melo ultimately felt like the supporting cast in Denver wasn't enough for him to compete... which should be a story all too familiar to Celtic fans *cough* KG *cough*.   Yes, Melo finally missed the playoffs for the first time in his entire career last season for the woefully mis-managed Knicks and the media is abuzz with speculation he'll want out.  Personally, I never understood how my fellow Celtic fans could bash Carmelo Anthony without realizing the vast similarities to our hero Paul Pierce.   Want to talk about inefficient?  In 2004, Pierce shot 40%/29%/82%.  That's inefficient.  Want to talk about a "perennial loser"?  In the 9 pre-KG years Pierce played for Boston, they made the playoffs a total of 4 times... not once cracking 50 wins.  And say what you want about 'Toine, but let's note that Pierce's failure happened WITH another all-star caliber player alongside him.  In the two seasons prior to the arrival of KG the savior, we won 33 and 24 games.  Pierce was frequently labelled a malcontent.  Several fans wanted to see him traded.  The worst moment of his career likely took place in his final playoff appearance as the "best player" in Boston... where he had a flagrant offensive foul in the final seconds of a playoff game we were WINNING, had himself ejected, and responded by ripping off his jersey and swinging around his head like a classless loser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbwm2tolAHo 

... Now look, I freakin love Paul Pierce.  I adore him.  He's my favorite player of the modern era.  I named my cat after him.  But let's be real here... how is Melo worse than pre-KG Paul Pierce? 

Melo's career numbers:  30 years old, 25.2 points, 6.5 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 1.1 steals, 46%/35%/81%, 10 playoff appearances, 7x All-star, 1 WCF Appearance. 
Pierce (pre-KG) numbers:  30 years old 23.3 points, 6.5 rebounds, 3.8 assists, 1.6 steals 44%/36%/79%, 4 playoff appearances, 5x All-star, 1 ECF Appearance.

Re: Would Danny go after Melo if we land Gasol, Aldridge, or Love?
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2015, 03:36:01 AM »

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I think Danny wold get Melo if he had already mad moves to the point where adding Melo gave us a real shot at a title. It really depends on how much NY would want. If Melo could be had on the cheap then there are a number of scenarios where he could end up in Boston. Because of the cap increases I'd trade for Melo even without getting a LMA, Love or Gasol and just hope to make a move later. Melo has his downside but we need more talent and you can't say he is not talented.

Re: Would Danny go after Melo if we land Gasol, Aldridge, or Love?
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2015, 04:33:43 AM »

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This topic is interesting with valuable points being made.
However, I don't see how NY would want to trade Melo.
Do you seriously think Jackson took this job to rebuild long term the knicks?
Is Jackson so bored in life or have financial problems? He's 70 years old.
I believe he sign for the job with the insurance Melo would be the cornerstone to build a contender immediately. Am I wrong?

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« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2015, 05:14:15 AM »

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This topic is interesting with valuable points being made.
However, I don't see how NY would want to trade Melo.
Do you seriously think Jackson took this job to rebuild long term the knicks?
Is Jackson so bored in life or have financial problems? He's 70 years old.
I believe he sign for the job with the insurance Melo would be the cornerstone to build a contender immediately. Am I wrong?
I don't think Jackson is going to trade melo to the c's, but I also doubt he's viewing his job as if he's got two years to live.  My guess is that Jackson's mentally is that he has somewhere between 5 & 10 years to build a champion (obviously he'd like that to happen sooner), I doubt his age is making him feel desperate..  I think he'd trade for the future if the right deal came along.

Re: Would Danny go after Melo if we land Gasol, Aldridge, or Love?
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2015, 05:20:24 AM »

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This topic is interesting with valuable points being made.
However, I don't see how NY would want to trade Melo.
Do you seriously think Jackson took this job to rebuild long term the knicks?
Is Jackson so bored in life or have financial problems? He's 70 years old.
I believe he sign for the job with the insurance Melo would be the cornerstone to build a contender immediately. Am I wrong?
I don't think Jackson is going to trade melo to the c's, but I also doubt he's viewing his job as if he's got two years to live.  My guess is that Jackson's mentally is that he has somewhere between 5 & 10 years to build a champion (obviously he'd like that to happen sooner), I doubt his age is making him feel desperate..  I think he'd trade for the future if the right deal came along.

That sounds fair. Valid point.

Re: Would Danny go after Melo if we land Gasol, Aldridge, or Love?
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2015, 07:03:38 AM »

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Carmelo has gone by that "point" in his career.  He could have stepped his game up, worked on all aspects and become a superstar at some point in his career.  His averages are nice but I wouldn't want him anywhere near our team.
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Umm...

He is a superstar lol
he is an all star yes but superstar level is mvp candidates
anyone think carmelo is a mvp candidate
imagine stevens ball movement offense and the ball getting (and staying) with carmelo

Re: Would Danny go after Melo if we land Gasol, Aldridge, or Love?
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2015, 07:43:46 AM »

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If it were Aldridge or Gasol an easy yes. On the other hand I feel his game has too many similarities with Kevin Love to work.
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