Did the Cavs just make a horrible mistake

[zubi.anaba]

First off, I am pretty shocked because Windhorst actually wrote an article I found informative and interesting. Here is the link. Long story short, Irving is pretty scared about his knee, said it felt different this time. However, the more interesting part was that there seems to have been tensions between Irving and the team medical staff/front office regarding his injuries and when he should play.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-cavaliers/post/_/id/1068/emotions-run-high-after-irvings-knee-setback

Reading the article I couldn't help but question some of the stuff that Cavs have done. I know this is really results oriented, but why did they play him in game 4 instead of giving him a full 10 days to rest up 3-0? Most of the Cavs fans I heard from were hoping he couldn't play. With an injured Korver, banged up Milsap and Carroll, it really didn't seem like the Hawks had much of a chance of overcoming that 3-0 hole.

If you do some research you would know that Kyrie had 7 days rest before the bulls series, played only 12 mins in game 6 of that series, 5 days rest before the hawk series, played a total 49mins in that series out of the possible 160 min he would have normally played and then had 8 full days rest before last nights game. He has been getting as much rest as humanly possible for weeks. Up to the point where they were running Lebron (who was carrying injuries himself) into the ground by game 3 of the Hawks series. Yet an extra 2 days rest from sitting out game 4 to you is the difference between protecting Kyrie and jeopardizing his career

Then last night, they played the guy 44 minutes! That just seems stupid given the situation. If this is worst case scenario and this is a lengthy injury to Irving has the franchise torpedoed their future hopes and time with Lebron? Of the big 3 Irving is the only guy they locked into big money. If they have done damage to his career or even just next season, that is a real dagger to them. What do others think?

Like other guy said he looked perfectly fine until the injury. Had mostly outplayed Curry in that game too. So nice for you to use 20/20 hindsight I guess when all signs pointed to cavs winning the game. I am sure there would be no outrage if Blatt had sat Kyrie for crucial minutes and Cavs wound up losing as result

There is not really any point engaging with you, especially since you refuse to explain why you claim you are not a Cavs fan but spent 80% of your arguments on a celtics forum with pro-cav sentiments. I'll take the bait this one last time and say, this isn't me making this point it is Brian Windhorst questioning what the Cavs are doing

Yup bringing up logically facts and details that fly in the face of baseless assumptions and speculation def makes me a Cavs fans !! I guess I missed the memo on here that states the only way you could an impartial observer of situations on this forum is if your completely bias against cavs/Lebron!!

"Drederick, Wechsler and several of Irving's friends gathered outside the Cavs locker room and began talking with emotion about the situation. Wechsler pulled Cavs general manager David Griffin aside to discuss it.

There's been some tension between these two sides for weeks now. Irving's father and Wechsler, sources said, have been preaching caution with Irving and this knee issue. Naturally, they are focused on his long-term health and have concern that playing on a weakened knee -- what the Cavs have said publicly was a bad case of tendinitis -- could put him at risk of suffering a greater injury. Going to see Andrews was part of the entire group's efforts to get a full handle on what Irving was facing and get independent advice on the situation."

More sources say quotes huh?! Ok then. Meanwhile so called sources were right outside the Locker room and couldnt decipher what was said. Intentionally described the convo as emotional to possibly speculate distrust between the 2 groups. Great!!

If his dad and agent are upset about it, it is a fair and reasonable thing to discuss. Refusing to acknowledge there have been some questionable decision when multiple involved people are upset seems pretty silly to me and definitely not worth the eye rolls you give.

Well maybe his dad and agent could show Dr Andrews (most well respected orthpedic consultant) their medical degrees. Like has been said before, it was determined he was not in danger of causing long term damage on it. The main issue was pain tolerance. Using 20/20 hindsight to question decisions is just that

My point is there are what you would call,  baseless assumptions and silly comments made about every team and player in the NBA at some point or another on this forum. Yet you devote all your posts and comments to threads that to argue that the Cavs are not or have not done anything wrong/incorrectly. It is really perplexing. If is totally fine, if you are  a Cavs fan, and we have fans from a lot of different teams here. There are a few 76er fans that i have had nice debates with here. Generally, they can add informed knowledge and viewpoints and make the forum. However, I don't understand the "I am only here to correct the crazy things said on this one specific team" stance you are taking while saying you are not a fan of their team. I am curious if anyone else does.

If being impartial with my observations makes anyone think am a Cavs fan then all power to them. Really not bothered. Never been into being fans of teams anyway. Dont have such emotional energy and its not like a team winning/playing great brings anything tangible to my life

And by the way as for wondering why I seem to mainly comment on cavs threads, there are 20 threads in the "Around the NBA section"! 10 of them are related to Lebron/Cavs including comical ones like

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=78447.0
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=78430.0

So out of the 20 threads in that section, half are about Cavs/Lebron while no other main topic has more than one thread. Thats just for the 1st page alone not to talk of all other pages. Yet it seems to you I strictly comment on Cavs/Lebron threads eh? Maybe Math is just not your strong point

[MBunge]

First off, I am pretty shocked because Windhorst actually wrote an article I found informative and interesting. Here is the link. Long story short, Irving is pretty scared about his knee, said it felt different this time. However, the more interesting part was that there seems to have been tensions between Irving and the team medical staff/front office regarding his injuries and when he should play.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-cavaliers/post/_/id/1068/emotions-run-high-after-irvings-knee-setback

Reading the article I couldn't help but question some of the stuff that Cavs have done. I know this is really results oriented, but why did they play him in game 4 instead of giving him a full 10 days to rest up 3-0? Most of the Cavs fans I heard from were hoping he couldn't play. With an injured Korver, banged up Milsap and Carroll, it really didn't seem like the Hawks had much of a chance of overcoming that 3-0 hole.

If you do some research you would know that Kyrie had 7 days rest before the bulls series, played only 12 mins in game 6 of that series, 5 days rest before the hawk series, played a total 49mins in that series out of the possible 160 min he would have normally played and then had 8 full days rest before last nights game. He has been getting as much rest as humanly possible for weeks. Up to the point where they were running Lebron (who was carrying injuries himself) into the ground by game 3 of the Hawks series. Yet an extra 2 days rest from sitting out game 4 to you is the difference between protecting Kyrie and jeopardizing his career

Then last night, they played the guy 44 minutes! That just seems stupid given the situation. If this is worst case scenario and this is a lengthy injury to Irving has the franchise torpedoed their future hopes and time with Lebron? Of the big 3 Irving is the only guy they locked into big money. If they have done damage to his career or even just next season, that is a real dagger to them. What do others think?

Like other guy said he looked perfectly fine until the injury. Had mostly outplayed Curry in that game too. So nice for you to use 20/20 hindsight I guess when all signs pointed to cavs winning the game. I am sure there would be no outrage if Blatt had sat Kyrie for crucial minutes and Cavs wound up losing as result

There is not really any point engaging with you, especially since you refuse to explain why you claim you are not a Cavs fan but spent 80% of your arguments on a celtics forum with pro-cav sentiments. I'll take the bait this one last time and say, this isn't me making this point it is Brian Windhorst questioning what the Cavs are doing

Yup bringing up logically facts and details that fly in the face of baseless assumptions and speculation def makes me a Cavs fans !! I guess I missed the memo on here that states the only way you could an impartial observer of situations on this forum is if your completely bias against cavs/Lebron!!

"Drederick, Wechsler and several of Irving's friends gathered outside the Cavs locker room and began talking with emotion about the situation. Wechsler pulled Cavs general manager David Griffin aside to discuss it.

There's been some tension between these two sides for weeks now. Irving's father and Wechsler, sources said, have been preaching caution with Irving and this knee issue. Naturally, they are focused on his long-term health and have concern that playing on a weakened knee -- what the Cavs have said publicly was a bad case of tendinitis -- could put him at risk of suffering a greater injury. Going to see Andrews was part of the entire group's efforts to get a full handle on what Irving was facing and get independent advice on the situation."

More sources say quotes huh?! Ok then. Meanwhile so called sources were right outside the Locker room and couldnt decipher what was said. Intentionally described the convo as emotional to possibly speculate distrust between the 2 groups. Great!!

If his dad and agent are upset about it, it is a fair and reasonable thing to discuss. Refusing to acknowledge there have been some questionable decision when multiple involved people are upset seems pretty silly to me and definitely not worth the eye rolls you give.

Well maybe his dad and agent could show Dr Andrews (most well respected orthpedic consultant) their medical degrees. Like has been said before, it was determined he was not in danger of causing long term damage on it. The main issue was pain tolerance. Using 20/20 hindsight to question decisions is just that

My point is there are what you would call,  baseless assumptions and silly comments made about every team and player in the NBA at some point or another on this forum. Yet you devote all your posts and comments to threads that to argue that the Cavs are not or have not done anything wrong/incorrectly. It is really perplexing. If is totally fine, if you are  a Cavs fan, and we have fans from a lot of different teams here. There are a few 76er fans that i have had nice debates with here. Generally, they can add informed knowledge and viewpoints and make the forum. However, I don't understand the "I am only here to correct the crazy things said on this one specific team" stance you are taking while saying you are not a fan of their team. I am curious if anyone else does.

If being impartial with my observations makes anyone think am a Cavs fan then all power to them. Really not bothered. Never been into being fans of teams anyway. Dont have such emotional energy and its not like a team winning/playing great brings anything tangible to my life

So...you're a troll?

Mike

[SHAQATTACK]

It's not a mistake. It's obviously the result of the coaching staff having no authorities what so ever on their stars and playing time.
If I'm wrong on that, then this organisation is a joke.

B) the organization is a joke anyway. Eff Dan Gilbert.

+1

[sahara]

First off, I am pretty shocked because Windhorst actually wrote an article I found informative and interesting. Here is the link. Long story short, Irving is pretty scared about his knee, said it felt different this time. However, the more interesting part was that there seems to have been tensions between Irving and the team medical staff/front office regarding his injuries and when he should play.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-cavaliers/post/_/id/1068/emotions-run-high-after-irvings-knee-setback

Reading the article I couldn't help but question some of the stuff that Cavs have done. I know this is really results oriented, but why did they play him in game 4 instead of giving him a full 10 days to rest up 3-0? Most of the Cavs fans I heard from were hoping he couldn't play. With an injured Korver, banged up Milsap and Carroll, it really didn't seem like the Hawks had much of a chance of overcoming that 3-0 hole.

If you do some research you would know that Kyrie had 7 days rest before the bulls series, played only 12 mins in game 6 of that series, 5 days rest before the hawk series, played a total 49mins in that series out of the possible 160 min he would have normally played and then had 8 full days rest before last nights game. He has been getting as much rest as humanly possible for weeks. Up to the point where they were running Lebron (who was carrying injuries himself) into the ground by game 3 of the Hawks series. Yet an extra 2 days rest from sitting out game 4 to you is the difference between protecting Kyrie and jeopardizing his career

Then last night, they played the guy 44 minutes! That just seems stupid given the situation. If this is worst case scenario and this is a lengthy injury to Irving has the franchise torpedoed their future hopes and time with Lebron? Of the big 3 Irving is the only guy they locked into big money. If they have done damage to his career or even just next season, that is a real dagger to them. What do others think?

Like other guy said he looked perfectly fine until the injury. Had mostly outplayed Curry in that game too. So nice for you to use 20/20 hindsight I guess when all signs pointed to cavs winning the game. I am sure there would be no outrage if Blatt had sat Kyrie for crucial minutes and Cavs wound up losing as result

There is not really any point engaging with you, especially since you refuse to explain why you claim you are not a Cavs fan but spent 80% of your arguments on a celtics forum with pro-cav sentiments. I'll take the bait this one last time and say, this isn't me making this point it is Brian Windhorst questioning what the Cavs are doing

Yup bringing up logically facts and details that fly in the face of baseless assumptions and speculation def makes me a Cavs fans !! I guess I missed the memo on here that states the only way you could an impartial observer of situations on this forum is if your completely bias against cavs/Lebron!!

"Drederick, Wechsler and several of Irving's friends gathered outside the Cavs locker room and began talking with emotion about the situation. Wechsler pulled Cavs general manager David Griffin aside to discuss it.

There's been some tension between these two sides for weeks now. Irving's father and Wechsler, sources said, have been preaching caution with Irving and this knee issue. Naturally, they are focused on his long-term health and have concern that playing on a weakened knee -- what the Cavs have said publicly was a bad case of tendinitis -- could put him at risk of suffering a greater injury. Going to see Andrews was part of the entire group's efforts to get a full handle on what Irving was facing and get independent advice on the situation."

More sources say quotes huh?! Ok then. Meanwhile so called sources were right outside the Locker room and couldnt decipher what was said. Intentionally described the convo as emotional to possibly speculate distrust between the 2 groups. Great!!

If his dad and agent are upset about it, it is a fair and reasonable thing to discuss. Refusing to acknowledge there have been some questionable decision when multiple involved people are upset seems pretty silly to me and definitely not worth the eye rolls you give.

Well maybe his dad and agent could show Dr Andrews (most well respected orthpedic consultant) their medical degrees. Like has been said before, it was determined he was not in danger of causing long term damage on it. The main issue was pain tolerance. Using 20/20 hindsight to question decisions is just that

My point is there are what you would call,  baseless assumptions and silly comments made about every team and player in the NBA at some point or another on this forum. Yet you devote all your posts and comments to threads that to argue that the Cavs are not or have not done anything wrong/incorrectly. It is really perplexing. If is totally fine, if you are  a Cavs fan, and we have fans from a lot of different teams here. There are a few 76er fans that i have had nice debates with here. Generally, they can add informed knowledge and viewpoints and make the forum. However, I don't understand the "I am only here to correct the crazy things said on this one specific team" stance you are taking while saying you are not a fan of their team. I am curious if anyone else does.

If being impartial with my observations makes anyone think am a Cavs fan then all power to them. Really not bothered. Never been into being fans of teams anyway. Dont have such emotional energy and its not like a team winning/playing great brings anything tangible to my life

So...you're a troll?

Mike

TP for you Mike. This zubidude reminds me of that dude when we faced the Cavs in the first round.

[rogerr]

I think you caught it in you first paragraph, this is really results thinking. If he doesn't get injured no on even talks about it.

[Celtics4ever]

Did the Cavs just make a horrible mistake

   Like relying on LeBron to hit threes down the stretch of last nights game?   He shot them out of the game, great game with points, but when it mattered, he didn't.

[celticsclay]

I think you caught it in you first paragraph, this is really results thinking. If he doesn't get injured no on even talks about it.

Definitely a lot less, but I still think people would be like was it safe for them to play Kyrie 47 minutes (hard to believe he is coming out last 3 minutes of OT when they are down)? Maybe he would not have been right for the next game anyways. 47 would tie his season high in minutes for the season, done once. I think it is pretty hard to justify playing a guy battling injuries that has played 20 minutes in the last 2 weeks that many minutes regardless of what actually happened.

EDIT: Jon Barry is now saying the Cavs are starting to say he is out for the season http://national.suntimes.com/national-sports/7/72/1242754/kyrie-irving-likely-out-for-series

[celticsclay]

First off, I am pretty shocked because Windhorst actually wrote an article I found informative and interesting. Here is the link. Long story short, Irving is pretty scared about his knee, said it felt different this time. However, the more interesting part was that there seems to have been tensions between Irving and the team medical staff/front office regarding his injuries and when he should play.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-cavaliers/post/_/id/1068/emotions-run-high-after-irvings-knee-setback

Reading the article I couldn't help but question some of the stuff that Cavs have done. I know this is really results oriented, but why did they play him in game 4 instead of giving him a full 10 days to rest up 3-0? Most of the Cavs fans I heard from were hoping he couldn't play. With an injured Korver, banged up Milsap and Carroll, it really didn't seem like the Hawks had much of a chance of overcoming that 3-0 hole.

If you do some research you would know that Kyrie had 7 days rest before the bulls series, played only 12 mins in game 6 of that series, 5 days rest before the hawk series, played a total 49mins in that series out of the possible 160 min he would have normally played and then had 8 full days rest before last nights game. He has been getting as much rest as humanly possible for weeks. Up to the point where they were running Lebron (who was carrying injuries himself) into the ground by game 3 of the Hawks series. Yet an extra 2 days rest from sitting out game 4 to you is the difference between protecting Kyrie and jeopardizing his career

Then last night, they played the guy 44 minutes! That just seems stupid given the situation. If this is worst case scenario and this is a lengthy injury to Irving has the franchise torpedoed their future hopes and time with Lebron? Of the big 3 Irving is the only guy they locked into big money. If they have done damage to his career or even just next season, that is a real dagger to them. What do others think?

Like other guy said he looked perfectly fine until the injury. Had mostly outplayed Curry in that game too. So nice for you to use 20/20 hindsight I guess when all signs pointed to cavs winning the game. I am sure there would be no outrage if Blatt had sat Kyrie for crucial minutes and Cavs wound up losing as result

There is not really any point engaging with you, especially since you refuse to explain why you claim you are not a Cavs fan but spent 80% of your arguments on a celtics forum with pro-cav sentiments. I'll take the bait this one last time and say, this isn't me making this point it is Brian Windhorst questioning what the Cavs are doing

Yup bringing up logically facts and details that fly in the face of baseless assumptions and speculation def makes me a Cavs fans !! I guess I missed the memo on here that states the only way you could an impartial observer of situations on this forum is if your completely bias against cavs/Lebron!!

"Drederick, Wechsler and several of Irving's friends gathered outside the Cavs locker room and began talking with emotion about the situation. Wechsler pulled Cavs general manager David Griffin aside to discuss it.

There's been some tension between these two sides for weeks now. Irving's father and Wechsler, sources said, have been preaching caution with Irving and this knee issue. Naturally, they are focused on his long-term health and have concern that playing on a weakened knee -- what the Cavs have said publicly was a bad case of tendinitis -- could put him at risk of suffering a greater injury. Going to see Andrews was part of the entire group's efforts to get a full handle on what Irving was facing and get independent advice on the situation."

More sources say quotes huh?! Ok then. Meanwhile so called sources were right outside the Locker room and couldnt decipher what was said. Intentionally described the convo as emotional to possibly speculate distrust between the 2 groups. Great!!

If his dad and agent are upset about it, it is a fair and reasonable thing to discuss. Refusing to acknowledge there have been some questionable decision when multiple involved people are upset seems pretty silly to me and definitely not worth the eye rolls you give.

Well maybe his dad and agent could show Dr Andrews (most well respected orthpedic consultant) their medical degrees. Like has been said before, it was determined he was not in danger of causing long term damage on it. The main issue was pain tolerance. Using 20/20 hindsight to question decisions is just that

My point is there are what you would call,  baseless assumptions and silly comments made about every team and player in the NBA at some point or another on this forum. Yet you devote all your posts and comments to threads that to argue that the Cavs are not or have not done anything wrong/incorrectly. It is really perplexing. If is totally fine, if you are  a Cavs fan, and we have fans from a lot of different teams here. There are a few 76er fans that i have had nice debates with here. Generally, they can add informed knowledge and viewpoints and make the forum. However, I don't understand the "I am only here to correct the crazy things said on this one specific team" stance you are taking while saying you are not a fan of their team. I am curious if anyone else does.

If being impartial with my observations makes anyone think am a Cavs fan then all power to them. Really not bothered. Never been into being fans of teams anyway. Dont have such emotional energy and its not like a team winning/playing great brings anything tangible to my life

So...you're a troll?

Mike

TP for you Mike. This zubidude reminds me of that dude when we faced the Cavs in the first round.

glad its not just me

[PhoSita]

Guys, posting on this forum when you're not a Celtics fan doesn't make you a troll.


A troll is someone who regularly makes inflammatory or irrelevant posts in an effort to get attention and derail constructive discussion. 

You're not required to be a fan of the Celtics, or any NBA team in particular, to post here.

[celticsclay]

Guys, posting on this forum when you're not a Celtics fan doesn't make you a troll.


A troll is someone who regularly makes inflammatory or irrelevant posts in an effort to get attention and derail constructive discussion. 

You're not required to be a fan of the Celtics, or any NBA team in particular, to post here.

Nobody said anything about being required to be a celtics fan to post here (i actually said the opposite, that i think having fans of other teams can make the forum better). However,  if your soul purpose is to just argue with no particular interest on the topics and you are doing things like putting in eye rolling emoticons, questioning other posters intelligence etc... well it becomes a bit hazier as to what that is doing....

[sahara]

Guys, posting on this forum when you're not a Celtics fan doesn't make you a troll.


A troll is someone who regularly makes inflammatory or irrelevant posts in an effort to get attention and derail constructive discussion. 

You're not required to be a fan of the Celtics, or any NBA team in particular, to post here.

Ofcourse not, but it´s pretty hmmm let´s say interesting that one´s every post is about praising the Cavaliers. In a Celtics forum.

Edit. And I love Mark Price & Brad Daugherty!

[SCeltic34]

He played what, 40-41 minutes before overtime and looked great doing it.  Got to the basket a few times and finished.  Played efficiently aside from a few hero shots.  Made a game-saving block on Curry with 24 seconds left to go in the game.

It's easy to blame Blatt and the medical staff in retrospect, but what do you want them to do?  Sit Kyrie out in OT because it's 5 minutes of extra play, even though he was looking fine before that?  Play Dellavedova instead?  Imagine the flak Blatt would have gotten if he did that and the Cavs ended up losing.  Every Cavs fan would be incredulous if he made that decision.

Those 5 minutes could potentially decide the outcome of entire series.  The Cavs had a chance to steal game 1 on the road and they went for it.  Can't fault them for that.

[D.o.s.]

First off, I am pretty shocked because Windhorst actually wrote an article I found informative and interesting. Here is the link. Long story short, Irving is pretty scared about his knee, said it felt different this time. However, the more interesting part was that there seems to have been tensions between Irving and the team medical staff/front office regarding his injuries and when he should play.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-cavaliers/post/_/id/1068/emotions-run-high-after-irvings-knee-setback

Reading the article I couldn't help but question some of the stuff that Cavs have done. I know this is really results oriented, but why did they play him in game 4 instead of giving him a full 10 days to rest up 3-0? Most of the Cavs fans I heard from were hoping he couldn't play. With an injured Korver, banged up Milsap and Carroll, it really didn't seem like the Hawks had much of a chance of overcoming that 3-0 hole.

If you do some research you would know that Kyrie had 7 days rest before the bulls series, played only 12 mins in game 6 of that series, 5 days rest before the hawk series, played a total 49mins in that series out of the possible 160 min he would have normally played and then had 8 full days rest before last nights game. He has been getting as much rest as humanly possible for weeks. Up to the point where they were running Lebron (who was carrying injuries himself) into the ground by game 3 of the Hawks series. Yet an extra 2 days rest from sitting out game 4 to you is the difference between protecting Kyrie and jeopardizing his career

Then last night, they played the guy 44 minutes! That just seems stupid given the situation. If this is worst case scenario and this is a lengthy injury to Irving has the franchise torpedoed their future hopes and time with Lebron? Of the big 3 Irving is the only guy they locked into big money. If they have done damage to his career or even just next season, that is a real dagger to them. What do others think?

Like other guy said he looked perfectly fine until the injury. Had mostly outplayed Curry in that game too. So nice for you to use 20/20 hindsight I guess when all signs pointed to cavs winning the game. I am sure there would be no outrage if Blatt had sat Kyrie for crucial minutes and Cavs wound up losing as result

There is not really any point engaging with you, especially since you refuse to explain why you claim you are not a Cavs fan but spent 80% of your arguments on a celtics forum with pro-cav sentiments. I'll take the bait this one last time and say, this isn't me making this point it is Brian Windhorst questioning what the Cavs are doing

Yup bringing up logically facts and details that fly in the face of baseless assumptions and speculation def makes me a Cavs fans !! I guess I missed the memo on here that states the only way you could an impartial observer of situations on this forum is if your completely bias against cavs/Lebron!!

"Drederick, Wechsler and several of Irving's friends gathered outside the Cavs locker room and began talking with emotion about the situation. Wechsler pulled Cavs general manager David Griffin aside to discuss it.

There's been some tension between these two sides for weeks now. Irving's father and Wechsler, sources said, have been preaching caution with Irving and this knee issue. Naturally, they are focused on his long-term health and have concern that playing on a weakened knee -- what the Cavs have said publicly was a bad case of tendinitis -- could put him at risk of suffering a greater injury. Going to see Andrews was part of the entire group's efforts to get a full handle on what Irving was facing and get independent advice on the situation."

More sources say quotes huh?! Ok then. Meanwhile so called sources were right outside the Locker room and couldnt decipher what was said. Intentionally described the convo as emotional to possibly speculate distrust between the 2 groups. Great!!

If his dad and agent are upset about it, it is a fair and reasonable thing to discuss. Refusing to acknowledge there have been some questionable decision when multiple involved people are upset seems pretty silly to me and definitely not worth the eye rolls you give.

Well maybe his dad and agent could show Dr Andrews (most well respected orthpedic consultant) their medical degrees. Like has been said before, it was determined he was not in danger of causing long term damage on it. The main issue was pain tolerance. Using 20/20 hindsight to question decisions is just that

My point is there are what you would call,  baseless assumptions and silly comments made about every team and player in the NBA at some point or another on this forum. Yet you devote all your posts and comments to threads that to argue that the Cavs are not or have not done anything wrong/incorrectly. It is really perplexing. If is totally fine, if you are  a Cavs fan, and we have fans from a lot of different teams here. There are a few 76er fans that i have had nice debates with here. Generally, they can add informed knowledge and viewpoints and make the forum. However, I don't understand the "I am only here to correct the crazy things said on this one specific team" stance you are taking while saying you are not a fan of their team. I am curious if anyone else does.

If being impartial with my observations makes anyone think am a Cavs fan then all power to them. Really not bothered. Never been into being fans of teams anyway. Dont have such emotional energy and its not like a team winning/playing great brings anything tangible to my life

So...you're a troll?

Mike

TP for you Mike. This zubidude reminds me of that dude when we faced the Cavs in the first round.

glad its not just me

You three are adorable, but if that's the bar for trolling we should ban 90% of the forum right now.

[celticsclay]

First off, I am pretty shocked because Windhorst actually wrote an article I found informative and interesting. Here is the link. Long story short, Irving is pretty scared about his knee, said it felt different this time. However, the more interesting part was that there seems to have been tensions between Irving and the team medical staff/front office regarding his injuries and when he should play.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-cavaliers/post/_/id/1068/emotions-run-high-after-irvings-knee-setback

Reading the article I couldn't help but question some of the stuff that Cavs have done. I know this is really results oriented, but why did they play him in game 4 instead of giving him a full 10 days to rest up 3-0? Most of the Cavs fans I heard from were hoping he couldn't play. With an injured Korver, banged up Milsap and Carroll, it really didn't seem like the Hawks had much of a chance of overcoming that 3-0 hole.

If you do some research you would know that Kyrie had 7 days rest before the bulls series, played only 12 mins in game 6 of that series, 5 days rest before the hawk series, played a total 49mins in that series out of the possible 160 min he would have normally played and then had 8 full days rest before last nights game. He has been getting as much rest as humanly possible for weeks. Up to the point where they were running Lebron (who was carrying injuries himself) into the ground by game 3 of the Hawks series. Yet an extra 2 days rest from sitting out game 4 to you is the difference between protecting Kyrie and jeopardizing his career

Then last night, they played the guy 44 minutes! That just seems stupid given the situation. If this is worst case scenario and this is a lengthy injury to Irving has the franchise torpedoed their future hopes and time with Lebron? Of the big 3 Irving is the only guy they locked into big money. If they have done damage to his career or even just next season, that is a real dagger to them. What do others think?

Like other guy said he looked perfectly fine until the injury. Had mostly outplayed Curry in that game too. So nice for you to use 20/20 hindsight I guess when all signs pointed to cavs winning the game. I am sure there would be no outrage if Blatt had sat Kyrie for crucial minutes and Cavs wound up losing as result

There is not really any point engaging with you, especially since you refuse to explain why you claim you are not a Cavs fan but spent 80% of your arguments on a celtics forum with pro-cav sentiments. I'll take the bait this one last time and say, this isn't me making this point it is Brian Windhorst questioning what the Cavs are doing

Yup bringing up logically facts and details that fly in the face of baseless assumptions and speculation def makes me a Cavs fans !! I guess I missed the memo on here that states the only way you could an impartial observer of situations on this forum is if your completely bias against cavs/Lebron!!

"Drederick, Wechsler and several of Irving's friends gathered outside the Cavs locker room and began talking with emotion about the situation. Wechsler pulled Cavs general manager David Griffin aside to discuss it.

There's been some tension between these two sides for weeks now. Irving's father and Wechsler, sources said, have been preaching caution with Irving and this knee issue. Naturally, they are focused on his long-term health and have concern that playing on a weakened knee -- what the Cavs have said publicly was a bad case of tendinitis -- could put him at risk of suffering a greater injury. Going to see Andrews was part of the entire group's efforts to get a full handle on what Irving was facing and get independent advice on the situation."

More sources say quotes huh?! Ok then. Meanwhile so called sources were right outside the Locker room and couldnt decipher what was said. Intentionally described the convo as emotional to possibly speculate distrust between the 2 groups. Great!!

If his dad and agent are upset about it, it is a fair and reasonable thing to discuss. Refusing to acknowledge there have been some questionable decision when multiple involved people are upset seems pretty silly to me and definitely not worth the eye rolls you give.

Well maybe his dad and agent could show Dr Andrews (most well respected orthpedic consultant) their medical degrees. Like has been said before, it was determined he was not in danger of causing long term damage on it. The main issue was pain tolerance. Using 20/20 hindsight to question decisions is just that

My point is there are what you would call,  baseless assumptions and silly comments made about every team and player in the NBA at some point or another on this forum. Yet you devote all your posts and comments to threads that to argue that the Cavs are not or have not done anything wrong/incorrectly. It is really perplexing. If is totally fine, if you are  a Cavs fan, and we have fans from a lot of different teams here. There are a few 76er fans that i have had nice debates with here. Generally, they can add informed knowledge and viewpoints and make the forum. However, I don't understand the "I am only here to correct the crazy things said on this one specific team" stance you are taking while saying you are not a fan of their team. I am curious if anyone else does.

If being impartial with my observations makes anyone think am a Cavs fan then all power to them. Really not bothered. Never been into being fans of teams anyway. Dont have such emotional energy and its not like a team winning/playing great brings anything tangible to my life

So...you're a troll?

Mike

TP for you Mike. This zubidude reminds me of that dude when we faced the Cavs in the first round.

glad its not just me

You three are adorable, but if that's the bar for trolling we should ban 90% of the forum right now.

nobody said anything about banning.

[D.o.s.]

I mean, that's sort of the unspoken endgame to calling someone a troll, isn't it? Or to shame them into not posting? I thought we were on the happiness and friendship bandwagon here at CB?

Just because someone is a Celtics fan does not preclude them from posting things that are dumb, and they should not be granted immunity from other posters noting it.