Kelly for Pistons #8 pick

[Rondo9]

I would trade him for the number 8.   Other teams would not touch this deal and most likely hang up the phone laughing.  We would be lucky to trade him for a top 20 pick.

I think you could get a pick in the 15 range.

[Ilikesports17]

Is this speculation or do you have a link?

//While the Pistons have a talented core, one piece isn't going to push them over the hump. Maybe the Celtics can come in and offer a package involving Kelly Olynyk and the #16 pick to move up to #8. The Celtics could probably afford to overpay a little bit and include the #28 or #33 pick, or even a future pick instead, though that might not be necessary.//
http://www.celticsblog.com/2015/5/28/8634713/the-boston-celtics-have-more-than-enough-assets-to-move-into-the-blatter-fiba-2015-nba-draft-lottery

I love Kevin's work, but this is him spitballing. Just a "what if" scenario.

I dont think this idea has been reported as actual trade talks. However, I believe there was an indication that Detroit was looking to move their pick to expedite the rebuild, KO fits nicely next to Drummond, and the C's are probably looking to move up here.

You add the pieces together and you get a trade that seems fairly plausible.

The question is would you accept it as the C's GM? What about Detroit?

For me Detroit needs more.

I think DET definitely needs more.

I've also read an idea of DET signing and trading Monroe to New Orleans for Ryan Anderson and filler. That deal would net the Pistons a much more proven stretch-4 option than Olynyk, and still allow them to keep the #8 to draft their wing of the future.

Monroe is unrestricted. Can you sign and trade unrestricted players? I honestly dont get sign and trades at all anymore.
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I guess you can. This might be helpful to anyone else who has no idea how sign and trades work

There is a rule that allows teams to re-sign their own free agents for trading purposes, called the sign-and-trade rule. Under this rule the player is re-signed and immediately traded to another team. This is done by adding a clause to the contract stipulating that the contract is null and void if the trade to the specific team is not completed within 48 hours. To qualify for a sign-and-trade, all of the following must be true:

The player must re-sign with his prior team -- a team cannot include another team's free agent in a sign-and-trade.
The player must finish the preceding season with that team (deals are no longer allowed that sign-and-trade players who are out of the league, such as the sign-and-trade that sent Keith Van Horn from Dallas to New Jersey as part of the Jason Kidd trade in 2008).
The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 44).
Starting in 2013-14, the team receiving the player cannot be above the "apron" ($4 million above the tax level) after the trade1, 2. A team above the apron can receive a player in a sign-and-trade if the trade reduces the team's payroll and the team finishes the trade below the apron.
Starting in 2013-14, the team cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25) that season.1
The trade must be completed prior to the first game of the regular season (sign-and-trades are not allowed once the season begins).
The player cannot be signed using the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, or any exception that cannot be used to offer a three-year contract (see question number 25).

[hwangjini_1]

Plenty of rumours online that Danny is accepting offers for Kelly + #16.
Some go as far as Sac (#6) but this would require plenty of extras.

Detroit appears willing to make a deal (maybe adding Young or a future pick).
Key reason being that they see Olynyk as a good fit with Drummond that would accelerate their rebuild.

PS: For the poll purposes, vote as if the offer were Kelly + our pick for their pick.
Keeping it simple will help examine the plus and minus of a possible deal more clearly.

interesting trade, but for the poll maybe add "it depends." i am not in favor of trading olly for a draft position. it depends on who is still on the board at that time.

i would be interested in trading olly for a particular player on draft night. if that player is available at the #8 spot, then great. if not, then pass.

[Celts Fan 508]

Does a fat kid like cake?

[greece66]

@Ilikesports17
If Detroit is indeed interested, part of the reason is losing Monroe + finding someone who combines well with Drummond offensively. Kelly is in many respects the opposite of Drummond: good shooter and passer, bad defender, so they should complement each other quite well.

For many reasons, I see Kelly as the most likely player to be traded: 4 is a position where we have alternatives,has a rookie contract, he is versatile enough to fit with the plans of many teams and he is not as valuable to the team as Smart and IT are.

[Celtics18]

KO has nothing resembling this type of trade value. He might have enough to move up 3 spots maybe. If he did this would have happened a long time ago

No it wouldn't.  I doubt Danny has offered anyone that package. 

So, you basically think Danny has offered to swap, say the 13th pick with Phoenix for our 16th pick and Kelly Olynyk, and he's been turned down?

Doesn't sound plausible to me. 

[tarheelsxxiii]

Who would likely be a target with the Detroit pick? Thinking this is fantasy, but fun to imagine regardless.

[Ilikesports17]

Plenty of rumours online that Danny is accepting offers for Kelly + #16.
Some go as far as Sac (#6) but this would require plenty of extras.

Detroit appears willing to make a deal (maybe adding Young or a future pick).
Key reason being that they see Olynyk as a good fit with Drummond that would accelerate their rebuild.

PS: For the poll purposes, vote as if the offer were Kelly + our pick for their pick.
Keeping it simple will help examine the plus and minus of a possible deal more clearly.

interesting trade, but for the poll maybe add "it depends." i am not in favor of trading olly for a draft position. it depends on who is still on the board at that time.

i would be interested in trading olly for a particular player on draft night. if that player is available at the #8 spot, then great. if not, then pass.

Well you can pretty much guarantee Winslow, Towns, Okafor, Russel and Mudiay will be off the board. So presumable youd be picking from Hezonja, Porzingis, Johnson, WCS, Turner?

If youd do the deal for 3 of those guys than boom. For me Id do it for Stanley, Hezonja, and hesitantly WCS (not a big fan, but I completely get why some are)

[Monkhouse]

Who would likely be a target with the Detroit pick? Thinking this is fantasy, but fun to imagine regardless.

Would say Stanley, Winslow, or Hezonja are going o be great small forwards. I can actually see Hezonja as a Rudy Gay/Gallanari hybrid or mix. Which is a great scorer that can shoot.

Who would you choose?

[Celtics18]

It's 13 to 2 in favor right now.

I think some people are misreading the question.  It's would you trade Kelly and the number 16 for the number 8 pick.  It's not Kelly straight up for the number eight. 

That's right, right, greece?

[greece66]

Who would likely be a target with the Detroit pick? Thinking this is fantasy, but fun to imagine regardless.

Lol this is the part that puzzles me the most.
I think this is worth the trouble only if we are going to get a rim protector that will improve from day 1 the D of the  team. I cannot see either Turner or Kaminsky fitting the bill.
As for getting a 20 yo old SF prospect with the hope that in 2-3 years he will blossom into a productive scorer this sounds as anything but accelerating our rebuild.

[Celtics18]

@Ilikesports17
If Detroit is indeed interested, part of the reason is losing Monroe + finding someone who combines well with Drummond offensively. Kelly is in many respects the opposite of Drummond: good shooter and passer, bad defender, so they should complement each other quite well.

For many reasons, I see Kelly as the most likely player to be traded: 4 is a position where we have alternatives,has a rookie contract, he is versatile enough to fit with the plans of many teams and he is not as valuable to the team as Smart and IT are.

I agree with all your points on why he is a candidate for trade, except for the last one. 

[tarheelsxxiii]

Who would likely be a target with the Detroit pick? Thinking this is fantasy, but fun to imagine regardless.

Would say Stanley, Winslow, or Hezonja are going o be great small forwards. I can actually see Hezonja as a Rudy Gay/Gallanari hybrid or mix. Which is a great scorer that can shoot.

Who would you choose?

I don't know if I can objectively say because of my love affair with Winslow. To be honest, I'd have to watch more Stanley and Hezonja to say... but based on what I've seen from Winslow, I'd jump at the chance. Fills a major void for us, has great size, lots of skill + upside, and is a two way player (this coming from a diehard UNC fan).

[tarheelsxxiii]

Who would likely be a target with the Detroit pick? Thinking this is fantasy, but fun to imagine regardless.

Lol this is the part that puzzles me the most.
I think this is worth the trouble only if we are going to get a rim protector that will improve from day 1 the D of the  team. I cannot see either Turner or Kaminsky fitting the bill.
As for getting a 20 yo old SF prospect with the hope that in 2-3 years he will blossom into a productive scorer this sounds as anything but accelerating our rebuild.

I agree that a rim protector is #1 need. It seems like at this spot, though, a really promising SF could be the safest pick. It's our 2nd biggest need, I wouldn't be too comfortable with WCS at #8 out of fear he's going to be a one-two trick pony, and (while a long shot) there are rim protectors in FA right now (including the best).

Edit: With so many other variables, actually, it's still hard to say   Another long-shot, but if we had a reasonable amount of knowledge and confidence that Love, for example, is interested in coming here... that probably changes my opinion, as he and WCS could potentially be our frontcourt of the future.

[PhoSita]

It's 13 to 2 in favor right now.

I think some people are misreading the question.  It's would you trade Kelly and the number 16 for the number 8 pick.  It's not Kelly straight up for the number eight. 

Yes, I would trade Kelly + #16 for #8.

The Celtics would get to select one of Porzingis, Hezonja, Cauley-Stein, or Winslow in that range -- or even Stanley Johnson, if they prefer.  I like KO, but I think his future is as a playmaking 4/5 off the bench.  At #8, I think the Celtics could get a long term starter. 

Everything I've read says that picking in the middle of this draft is a bad place to be, so I'd be more than willing to trade a useful bench big who is already 24 years old for a shot at a two-way player who can nail down a starting role on the team.