Mannix - CNNSI Mock - Dekker and Vezenkov

[Moranis]

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/05/20/nba-mock-draft-karl-anthony-towns-jahlil-okafor-timberwolves-lakers-knicks

has Mudiay going 3rd and Kaminsky all the way up to 6 with WCS dropping to Phoenix at 13.

[jpotter33]

"For now, pencil in Dekker, who tested extremely well athletically at the combine.."

Didn't Dekker test like stupidly low on his leaping ability? lol

I see where Mannix is coming from here, but he seems to be drafting solely based on need rather than upside/BPA. I don't think it will unfold this way, but I really wish it would. If WCS wouldn't go until 13 we could nab him before Phoenix with Utah's pick and work a trade with them for Bradley and our pick, which they could still probably use on Lyles.

[Csfan1984]

"For now, pencil in Dekker, who tested extremely well athletically at the combine.."

Didn't Dekker test like stupidly low on his leaping ability? lol

I see where Mannix is coming from here, but he seems to be drafting solely based on need rather than upside/BPA. I don't think it will unfold this way, but I really wish it would. If WCS wouldn't go until 13 we could nab him before Phoenix with Utah's pick and work a trade with them for Bradley and our pick, which they could still probably use on Lyles.

Dekker did test really well in everything but leaping. His height speed and agility was in the top 10, ten for his position. Considering this + game skill and age that gives him a huge edge over a guy who is just an athlete.

[hwangjini_1]

i worry about dekker working out at the nba level. his jumping is just part of it. but if danny decides he is the guy, so be it.

next, if WCS drops to 13th (ha!) you can bet ainge will trade up for him.

finally, venzenkov is my binky this year. i want ainge to scoop him up in the second round. i think he has potential to be a good nba player and would sit in europe learning for a year or so.

so, when is the draft exactly?  its my draft and i want it NOW! 

[Tr1boy]

Mannix has little clue as to what is going on. Dekker was nkt even interviewed and i doubt will be brought in for workouts

Cbs, danny know we desperately need explosive athletes that can play

[Eddie20]

"For now, pencil in Dekker, who tested extremely well athletically at the combine.."

Didn't Dekker test like stupidly low on his leaping ability? lol

Dekker did great in the lane agility test, but didn't do well in the no-step vert (25.5), which probably has to with him being a one legged, not a two legged, leaper. However, he had a 34.5 max vert, which was only 1 inch less than Blake Griffin's max vert of 35.5. Dekker is a good athlete, who has game hops, and is a very quick leaper. Whoever thinks he's a poor athlete are being misled by the no-step number.

[TA9]

"For now, pencil in Dekker, who tested extremely well athletically at the combine.."

Didn't Dekker test like stupidly low on his leaping ability? lol

Dekker did great in the lane agility test, but didn't do well in the no-step vert (25.5), which probably has to with him being a one legged, not a two legged, leaper. However, he had a 34.5 max vert, which was only 1 inch less than Blake Griffin's max vert of 35.5. Dekker is a good athlete, who has game hops, and is a very quick leaper. Whoever thinks he's a poor athlete are being misled by the no-step number.

Dekker isn't a horrible athlete but I wouldn't call him a good one either. The no-step vertical will affect his game in a bad way in regards to his shooting and (especially) rebounding the ball.
Personally the rebounding issue is my biggest concern if Dekker joins this team, since we weren't good on the glass last season.

[clover]

Mannix has little clue as to what is going on. Dekker was nkt even interviewed and i doubt will be brought in for workouts

Cbs, danny know we desperately need explosive athletes that can play

Teams request more interviews than they're granted during the combine, so you can't really know if they requested to interview him.

[Eddie20]

"For now, pencil in Dekker, who tested extremely well athletically at the combine.."

Didn't Dekker test like stupidly low on his leaping ability? lol

Dekker did great in the lane agility test, but didn't do well in the no-step vert (25.5), which probably has to with him being a one legged, not a two legged, leaper. However, he had a 34.5 max vert, which was only 1 inch less than Blake Griffin's max vert of 35.5. Dekker is a good athlete, who has game hops, and is a very quick leaper. Whoever thinks he's a poor athlete are being misled by the no-step number.

Dekker isn't a horrible athlete but I wouldn't call him a good one either. The no-step vertical will affect his game in a bad way in regards to his shooting and (especially) rebounding the ball.
Personally the rebounding issue is my biggest concern if Dekker joins this team, since we weren't good on the glass last season.

DraftExpress-
Dekker has great physical tools for a NBA small forward, starting with excellent size 6-9, a very good frame (weighed at 229 pounds) and strong athletic ability

NBAdraft.net-
Good athlete, but not elite. Solid first step, and finishes with good explosiveness. Explodes to the rim with power and speed off back door cuts & lob passes in transition.

ESPN-
Dekker has been a favorite of the analytics crowd since his freshman season and has won over plenty of traditional scouts along the way. Blessed with size, toughness, very good athleticism and a complete skill set that allows him to do damage on the perimeter and in the paint, Dekker is one of the more complete prospects in the draft.

[jambr380]

I know I don't know anything, but I would be very disappointed if this is how the draft turned out - especially seeing WCS all the way at 13 (who I can't imagine will go seven spots after Kaminsky). We can all rationalize how Dekker is going to be awesome if we choose him, but I don't imagine this is choice number one for the Celticsblog crowd.

As for #28, I am just hoping one of Upshaw, RHJ, or Harrell drops (a lot to ask, I know). Those are all guys I may even grab with #16.

[jr_3421]

Mannix has little clue as to what is going on. Dekker was nkt even interviewed and i doubt will be brought in for workouts

Cbs, danny know we desperately need explosive athletes that can play

Teams request more interviews than they're granted during the combine, so you can't really know if they requested to interview him.

Also there is a lot of gamesmenship in who teams interview. They often request players they have no interest in drafting and don't interview players who they like but know they are going to have in for workouts. 

[Celtics4ever]

A standing vertical of 25.5" is poor for an NBA player.  You can twist it any way you like, but that is a good vertical for a guy off the street.  But for an NBA player, it is below average.

http://www.topendsports.com/testing/norms/vertical-jump.htm


Larry had a 28" and no one ever accused him of being a leaper.

http://www.topendsports.com/testing/results/vertical-jump.htm

[Celts Fan 508]

I wouldn't pass on Oubre's potential for Dekker, if the Celtics are looking more towards 2016 then longterm then I would question that philosophy.

I would be thrilled with Vezenkov or McCullough at 28.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Vezenkov put up better numbers in a better league at a younger age.  The only thing Dekker has on him is that he is one inch taller.  I hope we take someone else at 16 and then pick Vezenkov later.

[Eddie20]

A standing vertical of 25.5" is poor for an NBA player.  You can twist it any way you like, but that is a good vertical for a guy off the street.  But for an NBA player, it is below average.

http://www.topendsports.com/testing/norms/vertical-jump.htm


Larry had a 28" and no one ever accused him of being a leaper.

http://www.topendsports.com/testing/results/vertical-jump.htm

I don't think you actually read what you're citing.

Below is a list of some of the reported top scores by a variety of NBA players. These results have not been confirmed, and are probably a mix of running leaps and some from standing starts. Some of these scores were originally listed on Vertcoach.com.

Klay Thompson had a 26.5 with a 31.5 max at 6-7. Dekker is at 25.5 with a 34.5 max at 6-9. Both are 1 legged leapers.