PF - Jordan Mickey vs Kentucky highlights

[Eddie20]

I'm going to have to call you out a little in how you completely overrate "your guys" every year…

2012-Harkless and Barton

Harkless - Serious player, that has excellent height at 6'8. Can shoot the three but his bread and butter is being able to drive and pull up for mid range jumpers. Can rebound very well also. The two knocks on him is that he is a streaky outside shooter and if he gets restricted to drive to the middle for his pull ups, could struggle to score in other ways.

Barton - Out of the world athletically. Can twist his body and hang in the air, to make difficult shots/passes. Very quick, long arms. Can shoot threes well, likes to pass, loves to dunk. Will rebound. Honestly i'm not sure why every mock draft has him going late 1st/early 2nd. Huge weakness is that he is rail thin right now. To me , that is a weakness that can only improve with time unlike other qualities that can't change.

I personally like Barton a little more , but harkless has better size and shoots at a better fg rate.

Maybe just draft both. I wouldn't mind

2013-Burke

1. Magic - Burke = Still have him being chosen #1.  Just a combination of need, skills, clutch and near championship under his belt, will be too hard for the magic to pass up.
V.1 comment: Magic have talent all over the court. But need a leader, a player to put it all together. Can't get better than Burke who is also a pg

Burke on the other hand did everything possible to make himself #1 worthy. Yeah he is not that athletic and a little undersized, but so is Chris Paul. Lots of good pg's are undersized and i think the nba and fans are too enormed with oversized/overathletic guards these days. Bottom line is most cannot play the way Burke can. He basically carried Michigan on his back at times , and imagine what he can do being surrounded by better calibre players and vice versa??  Orl also needs a pg badly. Someone who can lead the team and make passes to their young but talented staff. Nelson is either done next year or coming off the bench.

2014- Gordon

I've been following Arizona team play this year. Kid is going to be an excellent nba player.  Putting aside that he does have some excellent skills, its his motor, iq and leaping ability that makes him a nice player.

Excellent passer and a team 1st player. Watching the clip above, definitely his leap is higher than most nba players today.

Blake Griffin comparisons are ok, except that, Blake Griffin has half the IQ.

Im ok you posting those past reports. But the truth is Im more knowledable today then I was yesterday. I have given you details as to why Mickey is an exception (slightly undersized pf). Things i could not identify in detail if you asked about Barton in the past before the draft 

Some of those players like harkless, burke are still young. Too young to call them a bust.  Look at what happened to Crowder in a right system

Also i stand by what i wrote about Gordon.  He is only 19 and has barely played more than half a season.    Be a little more patient

My point is that you're usually enamored with highly athletic players that lack actual basketball skill. I see the game changing a bit, so there's less of an emphasis on pure athleticism and more reliance on skill. Stevens' style of pace and space, which prioritizes ball movement and shooting, calls for players that don't necessary meet the criteria you like.

[Evantime34]

Really good debate...both triboy and eddie are informed and passionate...also respectful.

I enjoyed reading this thread.

Eddie20 wants the Celts to draft guys like Alexander that accomplished little in college, had issues with gifting(suspension), does not have very good lift , undersized pf that does not possess much perimeter/back to basket skills. Another thomas robinson calibre guy

I want a slightly undersized pf that is a versatile defender, explosive, has a 37 inch max vert, 7'3.5 wingspan and is also 240 pounds. Elite shot blocking skills

You want alexander and ko or sully and alexander or ko and mickey or sully and mickey on the court if it came down to it?

Alexander actually has a developing jumper that we just didn't see in college and this gif makes me think he does in fact have solid lift.
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2015-01-13/cliff-alexander-throws-down-monster-dunk-oklahoma-state-kansas-jayhawks-gif

I would be fine with either.

[Tr1boy]

How is Burke that athletic?

When i look at a prospect I look for what they accomplished. Maturity,  are they a willing defender/versatile defender, offensive skills

On the other hand outside of Portis with guys you prefer the celts to draft like Turner you are chasing "potential" "hs reputation". How often do players that accomplish little in college get anywhere in the NBA? Or how long does it take them to become even a competent player? Why cant they work with the coach?

I respect a guy like Christmas more than a guy like Turner. Clearly  knew he  was not ready , put in the work and improved

[Eddie20]

How is Burke that athletic?

When i look at a prospect I look for what they accomplished. Maturity,  are they a willing defender/versatile defender, offensive skills

On the other hand outside of Portis with guys you prefer the celts to draft like Turner you are chasing "potential" "hs reputation". How often do players that accomplish little in college get anywhere in the NBA? Or how long does it take them to become even a competent player? Why cant they work with the coach?

I respect a guy like Christmas more than a guy like Turner. Clearly  knew he  was not ready , put in the work and improved

Burke is the exception to what you like.

You realize you're giving Christmas and Mickey the Triboy kiss of death, right?

[tazzmaniac]

How is Burke that athletic?

When i look at a prospect I look for what they accomplished. Maturity,  are they a willing defender/versatile defender, offensive skills

On the other hand outside of Portis with guys you prefer the celts to draft like Turner you are chasing "potential" "hs reputation". How often do players that accomplish little in college get anywhere in the NBA? Or how long does it take them to become even a competent player? Why cant they work with the coach?

I respect a guy like Christmas more than a guy like Turner. Clearly  knew he  was not ready , put in the work and improved

Why would you even compare them?  Turner is a 19 year old who had a solid freshman season.  Christmas is a 23 year old who didn't do much his 1st three seasons but made a big leap his senior season.  Why didn't Christmas put in the work and improve his 1st three seasons?   

[Tr1boy]

How is Burke that athletic?

When i look at a prospect I look for what they accomplished. Maturity,  are they a willing defender/versatile defender, offensive skills

On the other hand outside of Portis with guys you prefer the celts to draft like Turner you are chasing "potential" "hs reputation". How often do players that accomplish little in college get anywhere in the NBA? Or how long does it take them to become even a competent player? Why cant they work with the coach?

I respect a guy like Christmas more than a guy like Turner. Clearly  knew he  was not ready , put in the work and improved

Why would you even compare them?  Turner is a 19 year old who had a solid freshman season.  Christmas is a 23 year old who didn't do much his 1st three seasons but made a big leap his senior season.  Why didn't Christmas put in the work and improve his 1st three seasons?   

Turner had a good freshman season?? Look at his last 7-10 games. And Vs Kentucky game (indication as to what to come vs nba trees). He is not ready. Also the way he runs is a concern

[Eddie20]

How is Burke that athletic?

When i look at a prospect I look for what they accomplished. Maturity,  are they a willing defender/versatile defender, offensive skills

On the other hand outside of Portis with guys you prefer the celts to draft like Turner you are chasing "potential" "hs reputation". How often do players that accomplish little in college get anywhere in the NBA? Or how long does it take them to become even a competent player? Why cant they work with the coach?

I respect a guy like Christmas more than a guy like Turner. Clearly  knew he  was not ready , put in the work and improved

Why would you even compare them?  Turner is a 19 year old who had a solid freshman season.  Christmas is a 23 year old who didn't do much his 1st three seasons but made a big leap his senior season.  Why didn't Christmas put in the work and improve his 1st three seasons?   

Turner had a good freshman season?? Look at his last 7-10 games. And Vs Kentucky game (indication as to what to come vs nba trees). He is not ready. Also the way he runs is a concern

So would you draft Christmas ahead of Turner? If you say yes, I question your logic. If the answer is no, your statements are contradictory and what's the point of you comparing the two anyways?

[Tr1boy]

How is Burke that athletic?

When i look at a prospect I look for what they accomplished. Maturity,  are they a willing defender/versatile defender, offensive skills

On the other hand outside of Portis with guys you prefer the celts to draft like Turner you are chasing "potential" "hs reputation". How often do players that accomplish little in college get anywhere in the NBA? Or how long does it take them to become even a competent player? Why cant they work with the coach?

I respect a guy like Christmas more than a guy like Turner. Clearly  knew he  was not ready , put in the work and improved

Why would you even compare them?  Turner is a 19 year old who had a solid freshman season.  Christmas is a 23 year old who didn't do much his 1st three seasons but made a big leap his senior season.  Why didn't Christmas put in the work and improve his 1st three seasons?   

Turner had a good freshman season?? Look at his last 7-10 games. And Vs Kentucky game (indication as to what to come vs nba trees). He is not ready. Also the way he runs is a concern

So would you draft Christmas ahead of Turner? If you say yes, I question your logic. If the answer is no, then what's the point of you comparing the two?

I would take Christmas later in the draft

Skip Turner at 16. Better options available

[Eddie20]

How is Burke that athletic?

When i look at a prospect I look for what they accomplished. Maturity,  are they a willing defender/versatile defender, offensive skills

On the other hand outside of Portis with guys you prefer the celts to draft like Turner you are chasing "potential" "hs reputation". How often do players that accomplish little in college get anywhere in the NBA? Or how long does it take them to become even a competent player? Why cant they work with the coach?

I respect a guy like Christmas more than a guy like Turner. Clearly  knew he  was not ready , put in the work and improved

Why would you even compare them?  Turner is a 19 year old who had a solid freshman season.  Christmas is a 23 year old who didn't do much his 1st three seasons but made a big leap his senior season.  Why didn't Christmas put in the work and improve his 1st three seasons?   

Turner had a good freshman season?? Look at his last 7-10 games. And Vs Kentucky game (indication as to what to come vs nba trees). He is not ready. Also the way he runs is a concern

So would you draft Christmas ahead of Turner? If you say yes, I question your logic. If the answer is no, then what's the point of you comparing the two?

I would take Christmas later in the draft

Skip Turner at 16. Better options available

So if Turner (not happening) and Christmas are available at 28, who do you take? Plesse keep in mind your earlier thoughts on the two before you answer. You seem to be wavering a bit.

[Tr1boy]

How is Burke that athletic?

When i look at a prospect I look for what they accomplished. Maturity,  are they a willing defender/versatile defender, offensive skills

On the other hand outside of Portis with guys you prefer the celts to draft like Turner you are chasing "potential" "hs reputation". How often do players that accomplish little in college get anywhere in the NBA? Or how long does it take them to become even a competent player? Why cant they work with the coach?

I respect a guy like Christmas more than a guy like Turner. Clearly  knew he  was not ready , put in the work and improved

Why would you even compare them?  Turner is a 19 year old who had a solid freshman season.  Christmas is a 23 year old who didn't do much his 1st three seasons but made a big leap his senior season.  Why didn't Christmas put in the work and improve his 1st three seasons?   

Turner had a good freshman season?? Look at his last 7-10 games. And Vs Kentucky game (indication as to what to come vs nba trees). He is not ready. Also the way he runs is a concern

So would you draft Christmas ahead of Turner? If you say yes, I question your logic. If the answer is no, then what's the point of you comparing the two?

I would take Christmas later in the draft

Skip Turner at 16. Better options available

So if Turner (not happening) and Christmas are available at 28, who do you take? Plesse keep in mind your earlier thoughts on the two before you answer. You seem to be wavering a bit.

Dude you having a bad day?

[Eddie20]

How is Burke that athletic?

When i look at a prospect I look for what they accomplished. Maturity,  are they a willing defender/versatile defender, offensive skills

On the other hand outside of Portis with guys you prefer the celts to draft like Turner you are chasing "potential" "hs reputation". How often do players that accomplish little in college get anywhere in the NBA? Or how long does it take them to become even a competent player? Why cant they work with the coach?

I respect a guy like Christmas more than a guy like Turner. Clearly  knew he  was not ready , put in the work and improved

Why would you even compare them?  Turner is a 19 year old who had a solid freshman season.  Christmas is a 23 year old who didn't do much his 1st three seasons but made a big leap his senior season.  Why didn't Christmas put in the work and improve his 1st three seasons?   

Turner had a good freshman season?? Look at his last 7-10 games. And Vs Kentucky game (indication as to what to come vs nba trees). He is not ready. Also the way he runs is a concern

So would you draft Christmas ahead of Turner? If you say yes, I question your logic. If the answer is no, then what's the point of you comparing the two?

I would take Christmas later in the draft

Skip Turner at 16. Better options available

So if Turner (not happening) and Christmas are available at 28, who do you take? Plesse keep in mind your earlier thoughts on the two before you answer. You seem to be wavering a bit.

Dude you having a bad day?

Not at all. Simply trying to bring clarity to what you were saying before.

[Tr1boy]

How is Burke that athletic?

When i look at a prospect I look for what they accomplished. Maturity,  are they a willing defender/versatile defender, offensive skills

On the other hand outside of Portis with guys you prefer the celts to draft like Turner you are chasing "potential" "hs reputation". How often do players that accomplish little in college get anywhere in the NBA? Or how long does it take them to become even a competent player? Why cant they work with the coach?

I respect a guy like Christmas more than a guy like Turner. Clearly  knew he  was not ready , put in the work and improved

Why would you even compare them?  Turner is a 19 year old who had a solid freshman season.  Christmas is a 23 year old who didn't do much his 1st three seasons but made a big leap his senior season.  Why didn't Christmas put in the work and improve his 1st three seasons?   

Turner had a good freshman season?? Look at his last 7-10 games. And Vs Kentucky game (indication as to what to come vs nba trees). He is not ready. Also the way he runs is a concern

So would you draft Christmas ahead of Turner? If you say yes, I question your logic. If the answer is no, then what's the point of you comparing the two?

I would take Christmas later in the draft

Skip Turner at 16. Better options available

So if Turner (not happening) and Christmas are available at 28, who do you take? Plesse keep in mind your earlier thoughts on the two before you answer. You seem to be wavering a bit.

Dude you having a bad day?

Not at all. Simply trying to bring clarity to what you were saying before.

I would skip Turner at 16 and he won't be available at 28.  You make your own conclusion

[Tr1boy]

some guys here know how big I'm on this kid. I'm extremely pleased , he was available at 33.  I think the Celts were thinking about taking him at 28 before RJ Hunter was available. 

Mickey is a talented shot blocker. He will not get burnt by the guy he is guarding before blocking shots. He can block from standstill and cover alot of ground to block shots out of nowhere.   Is also a very good rebounder.  As a bonus has a nice mid range J, first step to blow by slower guys.   During the NBA combine 5 on 5 , blocked 8 shots in day 1.  Day 2 only a mere 4 shots

Check out these videos I have posted earlier on this thread.   I like the one I made vs Kentucky the most because it shows practical highlights vs cherry picked ones.  The way he guards Towns, blocks WCS shot in the last second.   The 2nd video by DE shows more regarding his shot blocking capability. And Mickey blocks shots without fouling which is an undervalued skill.  Last video shows more of his offense, iq.  His passing skills.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvA-1x9aq4k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq4HB1c7W_4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx4Ay5Er-XY