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Re: Smart makes All-Rookie Second Team
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2015, 03:45:19 PM »

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hopefully Smart can used this as encouragement for him to improve and prove the doubters wrong

too early to say but KG was all-rookie 2nd team averaging 10 ppg in his rookie year...so............

A little perspective on these. Plumlee and Hardaway junior were all first team last year while the greek freak and Dieng were second team. I don't think anyone in there world would considering trading the second team guys for the first teams guys there.

In 2011-2012 Landry Fields was all-first team along with Gary Neal. The second team included Greg Monroe, Eric Bledsoe and Paul George. Lets just think about that one for a moment.

Re: Smart makes All-Rookie Second Team
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2015, 03:46:58 PM »

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Using traditional stats, it's kinda a no-contest.

Right, but that's exactly the problem right there.

"Yay points!" is the line of thinking that has led to the wildly inaccurate valuation of hundreds of players over the years. 

Tony Allen was a hugely valuable player for a contender this year, while Kevin Martin once again did nothing to help his team win.  The league, by and large, has begun to catch on to that sort of disparity.

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Re: Smart makes All-Rookie Second Team
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2015, 04:10:38 PM »

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hopefully Smart can used this as encouragement for him to improve and prove the doubters wrong

too early to say but KG was all-rookie 2nd team averaging 10 ppg in his rookie year...so............

A little perspective on these. Plumlee and Hardaway junior were all first team last year while the greek freak and Dieng were second team. I don't think anyone in there world would considering trading the second team guys for the first teams guys there.

In 2011-2012 Landry Fields was all-first team along with Gary Neal. The second team included Greg Monroe, Eric Bledsoe and Paul George. Lets just think about that one for a moment.

let's hope the trend continues  ;D

Re: Smart makes All-Rookie Second Team
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2015, 04:15:24 PM »

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Congrats to Marcus.

Should have been first team, but, oh well.  At least we know he was unofficially a First Team All Rookie Defensive player. 
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Re: Smart makes All-Rookie Second Team
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2015, 04:26:11 PM »

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hopefully Smart can used this as encouragement for him to improve and prove the doubters wrong

too early to say but KG was all-rookie 2nd team averaging 10 ppg in his rookie year...so............

A little perspective on these. Plumlee and Hardaway junior were all first team last year while the greek freak and Dieng were second team. I don't think anyone in there world would considering trading the second team guys for the first teams guys there.

In 2011-2012 Landry Fields was all-first team along with Gary Neal. The second team included Greg Monroe, Eric Bledsoe and Paul George. Lets just think about that one for a moment.

TP for bringing some light to the subject.

And I agree with others on the defense / exposure stuff. It's okay, I don't think Marcus is just going to sit back and be content with where he stands.

Re: Smart makes All-Rookie Second Team
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2015, 04:28:18 PM »

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Re: Smart makes All-Rookie Second Team
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2015, 04:43:07 PM »

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Guys don't worry.
 
Gary Payton was on the All-Rookie Second Team as well in 1991. Coincidence?

Both 6'4" physical guards who excell on D and both are very competitive.
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Re: Smart makes All-Rookie Second Team
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2015, 05:06:40 PM »

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How does Jordan Clarkson make the first team and not Marcus Smart?

People are more impressed with offense than defense.  It's annoying because Marcus Smart's defense is more impressive than Clarkson's offense and Smart's offense is a lot more impressive than Clarkson's defense.


Agree^

Re: Smart makes All-Rookie Second Team
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2015, 06:33:20 PM »

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elfrid can suck an egg

I like that 7 people voted for Langston Galloway all first team.

Re: Smart makes All-Rookie Second Team
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2015, 06:52:36 PM »

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behind Jordan Clarkson and Elfrid Payton?... I guess that settles the debate about how Smart is viewed nationally in comparison to Jordan Clarkson. 

FWIW, Clarkson was pretty good during the second half.  16.7 points, 5.4 assists, 4.6 rebounds, 1 steal, 48%/31%/84% in 32.6mpg


Smart:  9.1 points, 2.6 assists, 3.8 rebounds, 1.9 steals, 36%/31%/62% in 30.2mpg

Using traditional stats, it's kinda a no-contest.

I'll definitely take fourth best rookie season of anyone from the 2014 draft class, a draft class that was once upon a time reputed to have seven possible franchise players. 

Well done, Marcus. 
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Re: Smart makes All-Rookie Second Team
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2015, 07:03:16 PM »

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Congrats to Marcus, hopefully this can add a little fuel to the fire to keep working hard.

So 3 people thought Noel wasn't even worthy of making either team, what is up with that?

Re: Smart makes All-Rookie Second Team
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2015, 07:13:06 PM »

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behind Jordan Clarkson and Elfrid Payton?... I guess that settles the debate about how Smart is viewed nationally in comparison to Jordan Clarkson. 

FWIW, Clarkson was pretty good during the second half.  16.7 points, 5.4 assists, 4.6 rebounds, 1 steal, 48%/31%/84% in 32.6mpg


Smart:  9.1 points, 2.6 assists, 3.8 rebounds, 1.9 steals, 36%/31%/62% in 30.2mpg

Using traditional stats, it's kinda a no-contest.

I'll definitely take fourth best rookie season of anyone from the 2014 draft class, a draft class that was once upon a time reputed to have seven possible franchise players. 

Well done, Marcus.
yeah.. not bad for a 6th pick... though I think it's safe to say that Embiid and Jabari will have better careers.  So 6th best player with the 6th pick... could be worse.   Jury is out on whether Julius Randle would have been a better pick.  Exum is still an intriguing long-term prospect, but Smart won Round 1 against him.   

Re: Smart makes All-Rookie Second Team
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2015, 07:26:30 PM »

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My most positive way to look at it is that the whole list contains 3 players from playoff teams.
Nikola Mirotic - 24 years old, has played professionally since 2008
Marcus Smart - 21 years old, first professional season
Bojan Bogdanovich - 26 years old has played professionally since 2004

Also, I expect him to play with a chip on his shoulder.

And double also, these are based on rookie year performance, not whos the best prospect. I think nearly everyone would prefer Smart to Clarkson long term, and I personally think he will have better careers than everyone but Wiggins and Noel assuming this year wasnt an I play in Philly mirage.

Worth noting Parker, exum, randle, Gordon are complete question marks right now.

Re: Smart makes All-Rookie Second Team
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2015, 07:36:19 PM »

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Clarkson beats him out. If we went for Randle or Gordon i was hoping the Celts grab Clarkson next.

Smart didnt do enough, was not consistent on the offensive end

Re: Smart makes All-Rookie Second Team
« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2015, 07:40:36 PM »

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My most positive way to look at it is that the whole list contains 3 players from playoff teams.
Nikola Mirotic - 24 years old, has played professionally since 2008
Marcus Smart - 21 years old, first professional season
Bojan Bogdanovich - 26 years old has played professionally since 2004

Also, I expect him to play with a chip on his shoulder.

And double also, these are based on rookie year performance, not whos the best prospect. I think nearly everyone would prefer Smart to Clarkson long term, and I personally think he will have better careers than everyone but Wiggins and Noel assuming this year wasnt an I play in Philly mirage.

Worth noting Parker, exum, randle, Gordon are complete question marks right now.

Parker has at least shown something before he got hurt. I would say Exum and Gordon were certainly underwhelming in their rookie campaigns. I am not even convinced that Clarkson will have a lengthy NBA career. There are many players that have put up good scoring numbers for terrible teams in the past and found themselves out of the league a few years later. Gerald Green would be one such example (although obviously he made it back to the league)