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Which player suits best the C's?

Alexis Ajinça
2 (6.1%)
Al-Farouq Aminu
0 (0%)
Bismack Biyombo
4 (12.1%)
K.J. McDaniels
0 (0%)
Danny Green
1 (3%)
Tobias Harris
7 (21.2%)
David Lee
1 (3%)
Robin Lopez
3 (9.1%)
Khris Middleton
9 (27.3%)
Glenn Robinson III
1 (3%)
Thomas Robinson
2 (6.1%)
Tristan Thompson
2 (6.1%)
Kostas Koufos
1 (3%)

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FA targets II
« on: May 08, 2015, 05:44:55 PM »

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1.   C, Alexis Ajinça, New Orleans, Unresticted (nominated by GetLucky)
Age: 27
Height: 7’2’’
Weight: 248
Wingspan:NA
NBA Career: GP: 127 // GS: 36 // MPG: 11.8// FG%: .487 // 3P%: .324// FT%:.781.// RPG: 3.1 // APG: .4 // SPG: .3  // BPG: .3// PPG: 4.3

2.   SF/PF, Al-Farouq Aminu, Dallas, Under Contract (nominated by brandonmm94
Age: 24
Height: 6’9’’
Weight: 215
Wingspan: 7’3.25’’
NBA Career: GP: 377 // GS: 174 // MPG: 22.3 // FG%: .437  // 3P%: .286 // FT%: .726// RPG: 5.3 // APG: 1.1 // SPG: 1.0  // BPG: .6// PPG: 6.4


3.   C, Bismack Biyombo, Charlotte, Restricted

The Celtics already improved significantly as a defensive unit, so paying the max for someone like DeAndre Jordan might not make the most sense financially. Instead, a moderate-cost option could be Bismack Biyombo. He is an elite shot blocker and defensive rebounder, so he fills two needs for the Celtics. Though he doesn’t bring much offensively, he can clean up on the boards and create second chance opportunities. (O’Connor)
No to Biyombo. I don't know why a lot of people always wanted him. (Birdman)
Biyombo is a player I would like to see on this roster developing further. At only 22 he is the same age as some draft prospects. (C Fan 38)
Biyombo is still raw so I think he could be an asset we pay small money to that we could develop and greatly increase his value. (Evantime34)
If Biyombo is what we end up with at center position, I would be concerned about his lack of size and bulk on one hand, and happy with his age, energy, shot blocking and ability to run the court. But I like his rim protection.   (Rosco917)
IMO Biyombo's height is deceptive: true he is only 6'9''. But his wingspan is 7' 6.16". For comparison, DMC's wingspan is 7' 5.75", Drummond 7' 6.25" and Greg Monroe 7' 2.25". Per bulk/muscle, I'm not an expert and have only watched him play 3-4 times this year but he looks strong to me. Moreover, his pre-draft measurements were good:245 weight with only 4.2 body fat. Again for comparison, Greg Monroe 247 and 11.2 in 2010. (yours truly)
Biyombo is a pale comparison to DMC, Lopez or Monroe on offense.   This means you would have to surround him with shooters.   That being said, he is an instant upgrade for us in defense and on par with those guys or better than them. (Celtics4ever)
 It sounds like he has a great deal of upside remaining too especially on the offensive end. He's not skinny or a light weight, he's 245-250. He would be a nice pick up if we over spend at other positions, like Monroe at PF and/or a Middleton type SF. Kind of a stop gap until we get a true big to help. Sometimes you can't get everything you want in a single year.  (Rosco917)
Age: 23
Height: 6’9’’
Weight: 245
Wingspan: 7’6’’

NBA Career: GP: 220  // GS:115 // MPG: 21.4 // FG%: .486 // 3P%: .000 // FT%: .505// RPG: 6.0 // APG: .3// SPG: .3// BPG: 1.6// PPG: 4.3


4.   SG/SF, K.J. McDaniels, Houston, Restricted

An excellent defender, great athlete, pretty good shooter, 6'7", and is actually a very gifted shot blocker, and I wish that we could have gotten him in the draft.  In the likely event that we don't get someone like Upshaw, McDaniels would at least give us someone who can alter and reject shots. (Beat LA)
His value got steamrolled since he got stapled to the bench, so we could get him cheap.
I mean he can't shoot for ****, but plays his ass off and is a freak athlete. He'd be good Crowder insurance, but if we retain JC not sure KJ would really be worth it. (TheSilverLord at Reddit)
Age: 22
Height: 6’6’’
Weight: 205
Wingspan: 6’11.25’’
NBA Career: GP: 62   // GS: 15  // MPG: 21.8 // FG%: .396 // 3P%:.287 // FT%:.752 .// RPG: 3.2 // APG: 1.2 // SPG:.7  // BPG: 1.1 // PPG: 7.9


5.   SG/SF Danny Green, San Antonio, Unrestricted

Green can defend multiple positions and has played lockdown defense at the highest level in the NBA Finals. He’s a deadeye shooter from deep, whether he’s spotting up, or shooting off screens or hand offs. Green hasn’t always responded well to an expanded role, so at this point he might just be who he is: a lethal shooter that does a good job of facilitating offense. Considering his experience, the Celtics could use him, though he might not do much more developing at his age. (O’Connor)
Age: 28
Height: 6’6’’
Weight: 210
Wingspan: 6’10’’
NBA Career: GP: 323 // GS: 257. // MPG: 24.4  // FG%:440.  // 3P%:  420// FT%: .829 // RPG: 3.3 // APG: 1.5  // SPG: 1.0  // BPG: .8  // PPG: 9.6

6.   SF/PF Tobias Harris, Orlando, Restricted

Brad Stevens values versatility and Tobias Harris could wear different hats for the Celtics. He’s an excellent shooter and ball handler for his size, and he can run off screens and post up. Harris brings the whole package offensively, and he has performed exceptionally well in clutch moments. But there are questions about his passing; the ball had a tendency to stick in his hands, but that could’ve been a matter of role. His on-ball and off-ball defense is also a weakness, though he has improved. (O’Connor)
His numbers seem consistent through a trade, injury, and going back and forth from the bench. (TheTruthFot18)
Age: 23
Height: 6’9’’
Weight: 235
Wingspan: 6’11’’
NBA Career: GP: 226 // GS: 142 // MPG: 26.5 // FG%: .463// 3P%: .321 // FT%: .790// RPG: 5.5// APG: 1.3 // SPG: .7// BPG: .5 // PPG: 12.7

7.   PF/C, David Lee, Golden State, Under contract

David Lee and an unprotected 1st in 2021.  He can be a frontcourt scoring and rebounding option for a year as the rest of the team continues to grow, and the C's can try again next summer.  And 2021 is so far away that who knows what the Warriors will be like then, but it's another asset.  He can take Bass' minutes, and make us a better team.

I don't think he's the best thing ever (his defense is not good), but he provides skills that we are low on.  And if he comes with a pick and doesn't cost us flexibility in 2016, all the better. (saltlover)
Age: 32
Height: 6’9’’
Weight: 245
Wingspan: 7’0’’
NBA Career: GP:  695// GS: 490  // MPG: 31.5 // FG%: .533  // 3P%: .036// FT%:..775// RPG: 9.5// APG: 2.3 // SPG: .8 // BPG: .5 // PPG: 14.7


8.   C Robin Lopez,  Portland, Unrestricted

Robin Lopez isn’t much of a shot blocker, but he’s an excellent rim protector. He makes his teammates better by communicating rotations and by setting the tone with his energy. While the Celtics got better on defense, they don’t have an anchor and Lopez would likely solidify them as a top 10 defense. On offense, he’s not a top option, but he’s a very good screen setter and rim runner. (O’Connor)
I'd take Lopez. He won't command as much $$ as Jordan/Gasol/LA etc but addresses the need we have. (TheTruthFot18)
I like Lopez but question if he really is an upgrade over Zeller. He clearly is on D but not sure if he is over all. (C Fan 38)
Robin Lopez is a nice option as a center. Good size. I just don't see him as 2nd tier center with the limited centers in the free agency. But yes I would be happy with him manning the middle. (Rosco917)
Age: 27
Height: 7ft
Weight: 255
Wingspan: NA
NBA Career: GP: 465  // GS: 317 // MPG: 21.2 // FG%:.532 // 3P%: .000 // FT%:.759 // RPG: 5.0// APG: .5 // SPG: .3 // BPG: 1.2 // PPG: 8.2

9.   SG/SF Khris Middleton  Milwaukee, Restricted

The Celtics were one of the worst spot up shooting teams in the league and Khris Middleton would help immediately in that area, as he is a premier catch-and-shoot threat from downtown. He has also been effective hitting shots off screens. Middleton is one of the league’s best wing perimeter defenders, with the ability to switch and defend multiple positions.  (O’Connor)
Middleton might be a little bit more expensive, but his combination of youth, shooting and defence make me believe that he could improve. (Evantime34)
Age: 23
Height: 6’7’’
Weight: 225
Wingspan: 6’10.75’’
 
NBA Career: GP: 188 // GS: 122// MPG: 28.3 // FG%: .453 // 3P%: .403 // FT%: .858// RPG: 3.8// APG: 2.0// SPG: 1.2// BPG: .2// PPG: 11.8

10.   SF, Glenn Robinson III, Philadelphia, Under Contract

The kid can play, is a terrific athlete, and has excellent potential, imo (nbadraft.net compared him to Trevor Ariza.  I'll take that any day, especially if we could get him without having to use a draft pick or trade for him).  (Beat LA)

Age: 21
Height: 6’7’’
Weight: 222
Wingspan: 7’8.75’’
NBA Career: GP: 35  // GS: NA  // MPG: 7.5 // FG%: .388  // 3P%: .263 // FT%: .667// RPG: 1.1// APG: 0.3 // SPG:  // BPG: 0.0 // PPG: 2.1

11.   PF, Thomas Robinson, Philadelphia, Under contract

I still think Thomas Robinson has yet to show his best basketball.
Stuck between somewhere between versatile, defensive, rebounding forward and tweener who doesn't have a position in the NBA, Thomas Robinson is a former NCAA player of the year, who possesses high character and a high motor. After bouncing around the league for the majority of his rookie contract, Robinson found some solidarity in the bottom feeding 76er's rotation. There he's put up 17.6 points and 15.0 rebounds per-36.
Some even theorize he could be a homelesss man Dennis Rodman given his body type and penchant for playing on the perimeter but cleaning the glass, although the author of this article isn't so convinced. http://www.blazersedge.com/2013/10/21/4859308/thomas-robinson-portland-trail-blazers
It's worth noting that Brooklyn tried to pick him up only to be out wavered by Philly. There's a lot to like for the right price, especially if you subscribe to the belief that big man develop at a slower rate than guards. Some may say "But we already have Jae Crowder". This is tentatively true but Crowder can spend the rest of his life in the weight room and will never come out with a build that stacks up to Thomas Robinson. (Smartacus)

Age: 24
Height: 6’9’’
Weight: 237
Wingspan:7’3.25’’
NBA Career: GP: 172 // GS: 4// MPG: 13.5  // FG%: 46.2  // 3P%: .000 // FT%: .523 // RPG: 4.4  // APG:.5  // SPG:.5   // BPG: .3 // PPG: 4.6

12.   C/PF Tristan Thompson, Cleveland, Restricted

Everyone thought Tristan Thompson was insane when he declined a four-year, $52 million extension from the Cavaliers, but he could be in for a huge payday this summer. Thompson was Cleveland's MVP of Boston’s first-round series, as he made one huge rebound after another at crucial moments of the game. Thompson is a versatile defender and can switch onto wings, but he hasn’t developed the rim protection abilities that the Celtics may desire. (O’Connor)
Thompson looks like a younger slightly more skilled Bass: High minutes but low scoring, no assists, no blocks or steals, and above average rebounding. Might as well keep Bass if Thompson is even considered. (TheTruthFot18)
Age: 24
Height: 6’9’’
Weight: 238
Wingspan: 7’1.25’’
NBA Career: GP: 306  // GS: 204 // MPG: 28.7  // FG%: .488 // 3P%:.000  // FT%:.633 // RPG: 8.4 // APG: .8. // SPG: 5 // BPG: .8 // PPG: 10.1



Re: FA targets II
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2015, 05:46:10 PM »

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I've condensed our discussion from the previous thread and added stats and data for all players.

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Re: FA targets II
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2015, 05:51:00 PM »

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Good stuff, greece666.

I'd add Kosta Koufos on that list. I'm riding on BleedGreen1989's badwagon on that, I'm riding shotgun.

He's going to be a solid pickup. Could be an average Center or a very good backup. Fairly young and could benefit from more playing time. Legitimate size for a C, solid offensive skills and decent defense. Could come in fairly cheap.

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Re: FA targets II
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Re: FA targets II
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2015, 06:03:11 PM »

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Of those players, I like Middleton the best, but don't want to pay the supposed going rate (which I'm still skeptical of).

I'd target McDaniels, who could develop into a Corey Brewer type.


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Re: FA targets II
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Bismack Biyombo is someone I initially wanted thinking he would be fairly cheap.  However, the Hornets will probably keep him as I don't see many teams lining up to give him more than the $5.2 qualifying offer the Hornets will most likely give him. 

With that being said I have turned my attention to Robin Lopez, Robin Lopez would be an excellent addition to the Celtics and would allow their guards to gamble more as they have a rim protector finally.  The Celts would easily be a top 10 defensive team with Lopez.
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Bismack Biyombo is someone I initially wanted thinking he would be fairly cheap.  However, the Hornets will probably keep him as I don't see many teams lining up to give him more than the $5.2 qualifying offer the Hornets will most likely give him.

With that being said I have turned my attention to Robin Lopez, Robin Lopez would be an excellent addition to the Celtics and would allow their guards to gamble more as they have a rim protector finally.  The Celts would easily be a top 10 defensive team with Lopez.
If we can take him with 6-7 mill, he might be worth it.


Re: FA targets II
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2015, 06:20:11 PM »

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I voted for Middleton as he fills one need and there isn't a centre there I think is a better player with more potential. I think the centre position may be slightly more important to fill though. DA may also go older considering how young the playing group is.

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I'm more interested in 2016 FA. I want to let every FA go this year. Draft high for Simmons or Lab. Then start signing guys. I like the work ya put in. Agree with the David Lee and future first as well as McDaniels.

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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2015, 06:44:56 PM »

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I would add Paul Millsap to this list

He would be a HUGE upgrade at the 4 and would offer him the max.

Maybe Atlanta wouldn't match.

Also, I seriously question why some of these names are on the list

Alexis Ajinca?

Glenn Robinson?

Bismack Biyombo?

Al Farouq Aminu?

Really?

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I've condensed our discussion from the previous thread and added stats and data for all players.

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Re: FA targets II
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2015, 07:37:33 PM »

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I would add Paul Millsap to this list

He would be a HUGE upgrade at the 4 and would offer him the max.

Maybe Atlanta wouldn't match.

Also, I seriously question why some of these names are on the list

Alexis Ajinca?

Glenn Robinson?

Bismack Biyombo?

Al Farouq Aminu?

Really?
The focus is on second tier FAs, check out the original conversation.
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=77889.0

Re: FA targets II
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2015, 07:56:21 PM »

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Out of these obtainable players Bismack, Tobias, and KJ are the only ones we should seriously pursue I would have included Middleton but he is going to command too much money this summer.

But all moves going forward are affected by the draft so we will have to see how Danny shakes up the roster in June.

Re: FA targets II
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2015, 08:16:14 PM »

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So many "If's"

I think our biggest need is center, we need to curtail opposing teams from attacking us inside. It's always where we give too many points up. Too many opposing bigs have career nights on us. It would make our already solid defenders even more effective if we could plug this hole up a bit.

If we can't get a "name" at center, a wing player that can shoot and score to help get the pressure off IT and open up the paint. Harris or Middleton would be very nice. I would still like to keep Crowder, he could play some 4 in a small lineup.

The Celtics need to think real hard on the power forward position, are Sully and KO in their future plans. Or is Monroe the man at 4/5. If Monroe can be had, a player like Biyombo would plug the hole at center with some solid rim protection.

 

Re: FA targets II
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2015, 08:50:31 PM »

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I'd take Middleton
He has some nice potential and is still young