Marc Stein on C's (Cousins, Love, etc.)

[D Dub]

Celtics would have to include Smart, Sully a crap load of 1sts  for Cousins. Then we turn into the Sacramento Kings that cant get anywhere

I don't think we have the juice to pull the trade on our own.  BUT...  we have so many picks we could entice a third team into giving Sac the players they desire.  For instance, if we can send a few firsts to Denver, route Sac both Lawson & Faried along a couple more firsts, now you are getting into territory that other teams will struggle to match.  This route also makes it possible to potentially keep Smart out of the deal.

We'll see...  Hopefully Boogies demands his way to Boston. 

He'd absolutely dominate the East & the city of Boston would embrace his passion like no other.  It'd be a great fit too, as the C's have tons of shooters to put around him. 

[Evantime34]

Celtics would have to include Smart, Sully a crap load of 1sts  for Cousins. Then we turn into the Sacramento Kings that cant get anywhere

The Kings consistently blow their draft picks, they consistently overpay bad players and most importantly they play in a conference that makes it very difficult to make the playoffs.

Cousins is a top 2 center in the NBA, you put him in the east, suddenly the C's are a perennial playoff team that can bring in free agents.

Even if we give them like 4 firsts, we will still will have extra firsts to build the team with.

That being said I would prefer to keep Smart.

[Irish Stew]

Looking at this strictly from Sacramento's vantage point: I have Cousins locked up until the summer of 2018 at what will soon be a below market annual salary. I also have very little to offer my fanbase other than Cousins. Even if he comes and demands a trade, I'm still telling him to be patient and play and we will try to surround you with the kind of players that will move us towards becoming a playoff team. I'm not thinking about a trade until at least the trade deadline of the 2016-2017 season. If he refuses to play or becomes disruptive, I will move for suspension and not give in, though I doubt that it will come to that.

[slamtheking]

A single top 5 is definitely more valuable than #16, #28, Brooklyn's 2016 (prob 12-18).

Top 5 picks offer a reasonable chance at the next star of the league.  Those late 1sts more often than not result in players who never make it in the league.  Top 5 pick would be far more valuable.  That puts teams like LA, NY and Philly ahead of us in any trade race.   

Trading for a star is unlikely. Marcus smart, Sully, 16, 28, nets 2016 is prob an intriguing package though.

if that's the package it took to land Cousins I could live with that

[Celtics4ever]

I would try to keep Smart though, and substitute someone else in that deal.

[BDeCosta26]

I think Ainge is higher on Smart than anyone else we have, and rightly so. To me, if he's on the table than a whole lot else comes off. Just like JPotter said, kid has a ceiling of a multiple time All-Star and DPOY candidate. I think if he's involved, the Brooklyn picks aren't.

That said, I would dump two of our three Brooklyn picks, and at least Young+ Sully/KO. Even if they're being forced to trade him, you can ask for Smart but your probably not going to get him, so you'll settle for a couple picks that could range from 5-18 (Brooklyn) one that can range from 10-20 or so (Dallas), #16 this year, and a couple young guys with good potential (Sullinger, Young). Maybe an extra second rounder or two to sweeten it.

But still, if I'm Sacto, I'm more interested in a package like that than one that gets me a single #3 or 4 pick, Tim Hardaway Jr and a pick two years from now that's not likely to be above 20. Much more value in what we can give.

If you think that's too many picks, we can take on the Landry deal or one of their other bad contracts. That might save us something. Don't discount a guy like IT pushing Cousins to force his way here either. Ainge has more leverage if DMC tells the Kings "I want to go to Boston".

[spikelovetheCelts]

Looking at this strictly from Sacramento's vantage point: I have Cousins locked up until the summer of 2018 at what will soon be a below market annual salary. I also have very little to offer my fanbase other than Cousins. Even if he comes and demands a trade, I'm still telling him to be patient and play and we will try to surround you with the kind of players that will move us towards becoming a playoff team. I'm not thinking about a trade until at least the trade deadline of the 2016-2017 season. If he refuses to play or becomes disruptive, I will move for suspension and not give in, though I doubt that it will come to that.

It all depends if Karl wants him or he buys in to what Karl is doing. I personally don't see him in Karls's system. We all know how Karl has won championship so Boogie will be listening and getting ready to go win one with him. I think he will be traded personally before the end of his contract. We have hope. WCS is my hope at the moment.

[chlldaddy]

There is NO WAY I give more than 2 first round picks 3 at the most for Boogie. I like his game and he would definitely help but IF he doesn't work out all the work Danny has done the last year is thrown away if you give more than that in my opinion.  I don't think you give away THAT much for one player not named lebron or kd. Although Cousins is very good he isn't like those 2 in the sense he can carry a team almost by himself if he could Sac wouldn't be so bad.

 I also think if we somehow get him he will even be BETTER. I think the atmosphere in Boston will bring out even more of his talent. A solid front office down to a head coach would do wanders for him.

[prov1ml34]

I think if Sac wanted a higher pick than a smorgasbord of picks, Danny can make that happen too come draft night. Someone looking to amass assets and trade down. Then DA flips the pick plus other assets to Sac. I think (hope) we can accommodate whatever Sac desires. 

[86MaxwellSmart]

Well, a draft night trade---is going to be Huge--if we expect to sign a big Free Agent.

[byennie]

There is NO WAY I give more than 2 first round picks 3 at the most for Boogie. I like his game and he would definitely help but IF he doesn't work out all the work Danny has done the last year is thrown away if you give more than that in my opinion.  I don't think you give away THAT much for one player not named lebron or kd. Although Cousins is very good he isn't like those 2 in the sense he can carry a team almost by himself if he could Sac wouldn't be so bad.

 I also think if we somehow get him he will even be BETTER. I think the atmosphere in Boston will bring out even more of his talent. A solid front office down to a head coach would do wanders for him.

So a 24 year-old center on a very reasonable contract who averaged 26-13-4-2 *and* defends, is going to be even better in Boston... but you'd rather not trade more than 2 1st rounders for him?

Huh?

[BornReady]

not sure if kings would be interested in doing a rebuild
with them bringing in coach karl and trying to bring help for cousins in rudy gay, darren collinson

but my trade for cousins would be
Smart, Olynyk, Young, bradley, + 2015 16th pick, 2015 Clippers 28th pick, and our 2017 first round pick

i dont know if kings go for it as it incudes a lot of first rounders but not at the lottery
also i did not want to include smart but we do not really have any really good young player and smart at least has that potential

i would include thomas because of the cousins feud but kings dont really like him so he would probably be traded in a separate trade

then resign rondo
and we have still are not a contender

[kozlodoev]

There is NO WAY I give more than 2 first round picks 3 at the most for Boogie. I like his game and he would definitely help but IF he doesn't work out all the work Danny has done the last year is thrown away if you give more than that in my opinion.  I don't think you give away THAT much for one player not named lebron or kd. Although Cousins is very good he isn't like those 2 in the sense he can carry a team almost by himself if he could Sac wouldn't be so bad.

 I also think if we somehow get him he will even be BETTER. I think the atmosphere in Boston will bring out even more of his talent. A solid front office down to a head coach would do wanders for him.

So a 24 year-old center on a very reasonable contract who averaged 26-13-4-2 *and* defends, is going to be even better in Boston... but you'd rather not trade more than 2 1st rounders for him?

Huh?

Cousins has been in the league for 5 years. The Kings have won 24, 22,28, 28, and 29 games over that period. If he's so great, how come he's never won 30 games? A great player should be able to carry you to at least some moderate level of success. Sure, he's been on some horrible teams, but even so something doesn't compute.

[Monkhouse]

There is NO WAY I give more than 2 first round picks 3 at the most for Boogie. I like his game and he would definitely help but IF he doesn't work out all the work Danny has done the last year is thrown away if you give more than that in my opinion.  I don't think you give away THAT much for one player not named lebron or kd. Although Cousins is very good he isn't like those 2 in the sense he can carry a team almost by himself if he could Sac wouldn't be so bad.

 I also think if we somehow get him he will even be BETTER. I think the atmosphere in Boston will bring out even more of his talent. A solid front office down to a head coach would do wanders for him.

There is NO WAY I give more than 2 first round picks 3 at the most for Boogie. I like his game and he would definitely help but IF he doesn't work out all the work Danny has done the last year is thrown away if you give more than that in my opinion.  I don't think you give away THAT much for one player not named lebron or kd. Although Cousins is very good he isn't like those 2 in the sense he can carry a team almost by himself if he could Sac wouldn't be so bad.

 I also think if we somehow get him he will even be BETTER. I think the atmosphere in Boston will bring out even more of his talent. A solid front office down to a head coach would do wanders for him.

So a 24 year-old center on a very reasonable contract who averaged 26-13-4-2 *and* defends, is going to be even better in Boston... but you'd rather not trade more than 2 1st rounders for him?

Huh?

Was gonna reply, but thank you for doing that for me.

A 24 year old Center who HAS HAD been in the most toxic environment, without a competent head coach, a struggling franchise built on unknown management, has been the most harshly criticized player I've seen in a while... I mean this guy gets so much flack, its crazy to believe Cousins hasn't just straight up cussed the NBA out yet.

Isaiah THomas and DeMarcus Cousins tweeting back and fourth, probably just to troll all the C's fans that want Boogie in Boston.

Haha what are they saying? I can't find what you're talking about.

Isaiah ThomasVerified account
?@Isaiah_Thomas
@boogiecousins appreciate the signed jersey you sent me family...

DeMarcus Cousins ?@boogiecousins  1h1 hour ago
@Isaiah_Thomas fasho

Nothing really deep, but that isn't going to stop me from pretending they are BFFs and IT is going to bring Boogie here haha.

So this silences all the group of individuals who think these two hate each other during their time in Sac-town. Ah, okay I see 

Also, never understood this to be honest..

Cousins never said IT sucked... He just said ball movement wasn't that great, which is true... IT is a score first PG, and that is how the NBA is nowadays.

I think if anything though, IT is going to be moved in a 3 way trade with DEN if the Kings wanted young popular talent in return, or Ty Lawson for Karl.

There is NO WAY I give more than 2 first round picks 3 at the most for Boogie. I like his game and he would definitely help but IF he doesn't work out all the work Danny has done the last year is thrown away if you give more than that in my opinion.  I don't think you give away THAT much for one player not named lebron or kd. Although Cousins is very good he isn't like those 2 in the sense he can carry a team almost by himself if he could Sac wouldn't be so bad.

 I also think if we somehow get him he will even be BETTER. I think the atmosphere in Boston will bring out even more of his talent. A solid front office down to a head coach would do wanders for him.

So a 24 year-old center on a very reasonable contract who averaged 26-13-4-2 *and* defends, is going to be even better in Boston... but you'd rather not trade more than 2 1st rounders for him?

Huh?

Cousins has been in the league for 5 years. The Kings have won 24, 22,28, 28, and 29 games over that period. If he's so great, how come he's never won 30 games? A great player should be able to carry you to at least some moderate level of success. Sure, he's been on some horrible teams, but even so something doesn't compute.

West is very deep and stacked, plus the Kings have always had really bad defense, and really bad head coaches. I mean.. a lot..

[D.o.s.]

There is NO WAY I give more than 2 first round picks 3 at the most for Boogie. I like his game and he would definitely help but IF he doesn't work out all the work Danny has done the last year is thrown away if you give more than that in my opinion.  I don't think you give away THAT much for one player not named lebron or kd. Although Cousins is very good he isn't like those 2 in the sense he can carry a team almost by himself if he could Sac wouldn't be so bad.

 I also think if we somehow get him he will even be BETTER. I think the atmosphere in Boston will bring out even more of his talent. A solid front office down to a head coach would do wanders for him.

So a 24 year-old center on a very reasonable contract who averaged 26-13-4-2 *and* defends, is going to be even better in Boston... but you'd rather not trade more than 2 1st rounders for him?

Huh?

Cousins has been in the league for 5 years. The Kings have won 24, 22,28, 28, and 29 games over that period. If he's so great, how come he's never won 30 games? A great player should be able to carry you to at least some moderate level of success. Sure, he's been on some horrible teams, but even so something doesn't compute.

How did you feel about Kevin Love this time last year?

Take the Timberwolves, remove the stability of the ownership and front office (this was a franchise that showed disinterest in meeting the salary floor) and you have the Maloof-era Sacramento Kings.