Team of role players

[droopdog7]

Earlier this year, the question was asked whether anyone on this team could be a future all star.  While I love this team's grit, and the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, not only do I not see a future all star on the squad, I'm not sure I see a legit starter on a championship contending team. 

Don't mean to rain on the parade but we'll need to get lucky to take that next step. 

[PhoSita]

Correct.  Start going through the list of best draft picks ever in the 8 to 25 range because that's where the Celts need to strike gold at least once in the next three or four years.

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

Correct.  Start going through the list of best draft picks ever in the 8 to 25 range because that's where the Celts need to strike gold at least once in the next three or four years.

Ok, and then you get an equivilant list of Barganani, Oden, Darko, etc etc. The point being there is more than one way to skin a cat. If you go all in on the lottery you don't have IT. And, you aren't guaranteed a sure-fire top player. So, while nothing is certain, acknowledge that there is more than one way to rebuild. and the Hinkie/tank method, which isn't neccesarily bad, isn't the only way and isn't neccesarily better.

[PhoSita]

Correct.  Start going through the list of best draft picks ever in the 8 to 25 range because that's where the Celts need to strike gold at least once in the next three or four years.

Ok, and then you get an equivilant list of Barganani, Oden, Darko, etc etc. The point being there is more than one way to skin a cat. If you go all in on the lottery you don't have IT. And, you aren't guaranteed a sure-fire top player. So, while nothing is certain, acknowledge that there is more than one way to rebuild. and the Hinkie/tank method, which isn't neccesarily bad, isn't the only way and isn't neccesarily better.

This is unresponsive to what I wrote.

I noted that the Celtics are almost certainly going to be getting picks in the middle of the 1st round (i.e. roughly 8-25).  Getting lucky and getting a nice player in the draft is going to have to be a significant part of this rebuild.  I believe that strongly.

Therefore -- the Celts will have to strike gold in that middle range.

Yes, there are other ways to rebuild. I didn't say otherwise.

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

Correct.  Start going through the list of best draft picks ever in the 8 to 25 range because that's where the Celts need to strike gold at least once in the next three or four years.

Ok, and then you get an equivilant list of Barganani, Oden, Darko, etc etc. The point being there is more than one way to skin a cat. If you go all in on the lottery you don't have IT. And, you aren't guaranteed a sure-fire top player. So, while nothing is certain, acknowledge that there is more than one way to rebuild. and the Hinkie/tank method, which isn't neccesarily bad, isn't the only way and isn't neccesarily better.

This is unresponsive to what I wrote.

I noted that the Celtics are almost certainly going to be getting picks in the middle of the 1st round (i.e. roughly 8-25).  Getting lucky and getting a nice player in the draft is going to have to be a significant part of this rebuild.  I believe that strongly.

Therefore -- the Celts will have to strike gold in that middle range.

Yes, there are other ways to rebuild. I didn't say otherwise.

Not being contentious. I see what your saying. I typed a long reply in the playoff appearance---worth it? thread that kind of covers what I would say here.

simply though, yeah, that is how it likely has to go. Or cashing in assets. But that isn't firghtening. Good mid first rounders aren't even obscenely rare. PP, Kawhai, Paul George, just off the top of my head. There are plenty more. So, it isn't like this team is doomed. Anyways, wrote more elsewhere. No need to reiterate.

[Celtics18]

Correct.  Start going through the list of best draft picks ever in the 8 to 25 range because that's where the Celts need to strike gold at least once in the next three or four years.

Here are the ones that spring to mind:

Kobe Bryant
Dirk Nowitzki
Julius Erving
Paul Pierce
Karl Malone
Tracy McGrady
John Stockton
Steve Nash
Clyde Drexler
Shawn Marion
Joe Dumars
Otis Thorpe
Detlef Schrempf
Mark Price
Kawhi Leonard
Paul George
Reggie Miller
Tim Hardaway
Latrell Sprewell
Sam Cassell
Joakim Noah

I'm probably missing some notables.

[LarBrd33]

Of the players, Marcus Smart is the best gamble to reach stardom.   That doesn't make it likely, though.  There's probably 8 players from his draft class that I think have a better shot at stardom.   But he's got the best shot of the current Celtics.

[LarBrd33]

It will be a bit frustrating to watch the Lakers, Knicks and Philly all have Top 5 picks this summer.  Draft busts happen, but all 3 of those teams should be adding impact talent either through the draft or by trading their extremely valuable picks.  Meanwhile, we'll most likely be drafting a couple more role players with our mid-to-late 1sts.

[Celtics4ever]

It is a crap shoot, that it helps if you do your homework.

[GC003332]

Correct.  Start going through the list of best draft picks ever in the 8 to 25 range because that's where the Celts need to strike gold at least once in the next three or four years.

Here are the ones that spring to mind:

Kobe Bryant
Dirk Nowitzki
Julius Erving
Paul Pierce
Karl Malone
Tracy McGrady
John Stockton
Steve Nash
Clyde Drexler
Shawn Marion
Joe Dumars
Otis Thorpe
Detlef Schrempf
Mark Price
Kawhi Leonard
Paul George
Reggie Miller
Tim Hardaway
Latrell Sprewell
Sam Cassell
Joakim Noah

I'm probably missing some notables.

A few others guys in that 8-25 range who made all star teams at one point or another in there careers
Shawn Kemp
Vin Baker
Dan Majerle
Dale Ellis
Rolando Blackman

[clover]

Hey, I'd be glad at this point for a

Butler,
Nurkic,
Gobert,
Giannis,
Gobert,
Middleton,
Parsons, or
Dieng

at this point--all players available after Danny picked in the last four years.

[Celtics18]

Of the players, Marcus Smart is the best gamble to reach stardom.   That doesn't make it likely, though.  There's probably 8 players from his draft class that I think have a better shot at stardom.   But he's got the best shot of the current Celtics.

Let me try:

Andrew Wiggins
Jabari Parker
Joel Embiid
Julius Randle
Aaron Gordon
Dante Exum
Elfrid Payton
Noah Vonleh?

Are those the eight you've got as likely superstars from this draft class?

Sure I'm biased, but I'd have Marcus no lower than third at this point.  That actually seems fairly objective to me.   



 

[LooseCannon]

I think the way forward for this team is going to be more of an ensemble approach rather than trying to put together a top-heavy three-star core.  The next Celtics championship team has a good chance of not having a 20ppg scorer.

[loco_91]

Earlier this year, the question was asked whether anyone on this team could be a future all star.  While I love this team's grit, and the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, not only do I not see a future all star on the squad, I'm not sure I see a legit starter on a championship contending team. 

Don't mean to rain on the parade but we'll need to get lucky to take that next step.

Re: no future all stars, I mostly agree. I could see IT making an ASG if it weren't for the fact that PG is stacked, and while Smart could one day have an all-star level impact, he's an underdog to ever actually make it as a defensively-oriented guard who doesn't routinely make the dunk reel.

Re: no legit starters, though, I completely disagree. Smart, AB, IT and perhaps Sully are legit starter material.

[clover]

It will be a bit frustrating to watch the Lakers, Knicks and Philly all have Top 5 picks this summer.  Draft busts happen, but all 3 of those teams should be adding impact talent either through the draft or by trading their extremely valuable picks.  Meanwhile, we'll most likely be drafting a couple more role players with our mid-to-late 1sts.

Yep, they all hurt, but the Lakers ahead of us is the worst of all.