Should we try to steal Draymond Green away from the GSW?

[Beat LA]

No one is voluntarily taking on Lee's bloated contract unless they're getting a viable player or draft pick out of it.

Lee is a viable player. He is a 16-18ppg scorer who can get 9-10rpg. He is a skilled big man who can shoot, post up and pass.

I agree with you on shooting and passing, but I've never seen him post up, so can he actually do that?

Yes, he posts up. He has been doing it more over the last few years than earlier in his career.

Almost 20% of his offense this year came from post ups. I'd say that number was even higher last year when D.Lee was playing in Mark Jackson vs this year for Steve Kerr.

Interesting, and thanks for the info - TP.  My concerns with Lee are his injury history, which isn't something that typically gets better with age, obviously, and he'll be 32 next week.  Plus, we're not yet to the point where a veteran like Lee would be the addition that puts us over the top, so I don't see he he'd fit in here.  He's also not a shotblocker, and we have enough big guys who have got that down, lol. Ugh.

[LooseCannon]

No one is voluntarily taking on Lee's bloated contract unless they're getting a viable player or draft pick out of it.

Lee is a viable player. He is a 16-18ppg scorer who can get 9-10rpg. He is a skilled big man who can shoot, post up and pass.

I agree with you on shooting and passing, but I've never seen him post up, so can he actually do that?

Yes, he posts up. He has been doing it more over the last few years than earlier in his career.

Almost 20% of his offense this year came from post ups. I'd say that number was even higher last year when D.Lee was playing in Mark Jackson vs this year for Steve Kerr.

The emphasis on post ups was a big reason for why Jackson was a bad coach who deserved to be fired and replaced by Kerr.

[Roy H.]

It will take more than 12 million to make Golden State decline the opportunity to match.

Yep.  Green seems like a good bet to get the max.  He might be worth that to Golden State, as he's perfect for their system.

[Endless Paradise]

No one is voluntarily taking on Lee's bloated contract unless they're getting a viable player or draft pick out of it.

Lee is a viable player. He is a 16-18ppg scorer who can get 9-10rpg. He is a skilled big man who can shoot, post up and pass.

I agree with you on shooting and passing, but I've never seen him post up, so can he actually do that?

Yes, he posts up. He has been doing it more over the last few years than earlier in his career.

Almost 20% of his offense this year came from post ups. I'd say that number was even higher last year when D.Lee was playing in Mark Jackson vs this year for Steve Kerr.

The emphasis on post ups was a big reason for why Jackson was a bad coach who deserved to be fired and replaced by Kerr.

Exactly. As far as Lee being a "viable scorer," what he does isn't worth what he's paid, expiring or not. No one will take his contract for "free" and you can quote me on this: if Lee is traded, it will not be without an additional asset and/or player. No team is willingly going to help Golden State avoid the luxury tax by taking an unwanted, grossly overpaid player they sparingly even play unless the Warriors make it worth their while, i.e. "take Lee's contract and we'll give you Harrison Barnes or one of our few remaining first rounders."

Also, his jumper has been largely MIA this entire season and is a huge part of the reason why he doesn't play: he's a terrible defender, he hasn't been healthy, Kerr avoids post-ups, and if he can't even hit a jumper, what's the point of him being on the court? For rebounding and occasional low-post play? Sure, but that's not worth almost $15.5 million, much like Lin is a viable player whose skills are not worth his $8+ million contract that actually pays him just under $15 million; there's a reason why Houston had to attach a first rounder with him.

[Irish Stew]

It would be nice if we could sign one of those big time small forwards for something like the $12 million people believe is "fair", but if we really want to have any chance at one of these guys we're just going to have to make an offer that is at or near the max. As for Lee, I just took a quick look at Philly's salary obligations for next season and it looks like that they could use his $15.5 million salary to get to the NBA floor next season and pick up a 1st round pick. After that, Lee wouldn't be a bad pickup for a title contender's bench at about half his present salary especially for a team with good rim protection that can hide some of his poor defense.

[Csfan1984]

Pass on Green. He is Faried on the U.S. team right now. Once he leaves warriors he is Brandon Bass.

[Evantime34]

We should try to get any top quality player that will sign with us. Draymond is no different.

[loco_91]

I think Draymond Green is worth the max. Defensive stud who isn't a zero offensively, can defend inside and out - that to me is a really valuable player. The only thing we have to think about is that Crowder, a less talented player in a similar mold, can probably be signed for under a third of what Green would get. Is it worth ~$8m per year for that upgrade?

[libermaniac]

Pass on Green. He is Faried on the U.S. team right now. Once he leaves warriors he is Brandon Bass.

Amen, brother.  TP.

[apc]

I think Draymond Green is worth the max. Defensive stud who isn't a zero offensively, can defend inside and out - that to me is a really valuable player. The only thing we have to think about is that Crowder, a less talented player in a similar mold, can probably be signed for under a third of what Green would get. Is it worth ~$8m per year for that upgrade?

With the experience he gained this year, I can see Crowder making a big leap in his game next year.

[MJohnnyboy]

Oh yeah Draymond would be great here!

Too bad GS is not letting him go...

Hope I'm not bursting any bubbles.

[35Lewis]

It will take more than 12 million to make Golden State decline the opportunity to match.

Yep.  Green seems like a good bet to get the max.  He might be worth that to Golden State, as he's perfect for their system.

This part is key to ANY free agent.  They might be worth more to the right environment but that doesn't mean they are really worth that much.

[Smartacus]

Draymond Green, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris will all probably get max deals from their current teams. If Harris leaves it would probably be New York because he loves them. Brandon Knight will likely sign with Phoenix for the max as well. And Greg Monroe will probably get a max deal from somewhere. I think Gasol and Deandre Jordan will resign for max. Aldridge will get a max either in Portland or if he leaves he will still get it in San Antonio I think. We should focus on realistic targets such as Khris Middleton.

I'd agree with pretty much all of this. I even think Middleton could get the max from a team looking to steal him away from the Bucks.

I do think the term "market max" will be borne out this offseason.

Bill Simmons 

It wouldn't even surprise me that much if Milwaukee matched a max offer because trading Knight makes them not close to the luxury tax.

Could be a tough call for Milwaukee though with Giannis Antetokounmpo and Jabari Parker occupying those spots. Jabari has already stated he wants to be a career Buck being that it's 50 miles from his home town Chicago and is Antetokumpo really the biggest threat to bolt for a big market?

It could be even more likely if they can play well with together, which is entirely possible being that their game's are fairly complimentary and Jason Kidd will be there to figure out how to make it work.

Kris Middleton is probably a top 35-50ish player right now but with so much talent already invested on the wing it might not be in Milwaukee's best interest to tie up more money at that spot, especially considering that the team is currently starting Zaza Pachulia at Center. Their need is a 5 is arguably bigger than ours.

[e4sym0de]

Would be a nice addition but he is going to stay with GS

[Endless Paradise]

Draymond Green, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris will all probably get max deals from their current teams. If Harris leaves it would probably be New York because he loves them. Brandon Knight will likely sign with Phoenix for the max as well. And Greg Monroe will probably get a max deal from somewhere. I think Gasol and Deandre Jordan will resign for max. Aldridge will get a max either in Portland or if he leaves he will still get it in San Antonio I think. We should focus on realistic targets such as Khris Middleton.

I'd agree with pretty much all of this. I even think Middleton could get the max from a team looking to steal him away from the Bucks.

I do think the term "market max" will be borne out this offseason.

Bill Simmons 

It wouldn't even surprise me that much if Milwaukee matched a max offer because trading Knight makes them not close to the luxury tax.

Could be a tough call for Milwaukee though with Giannis Antetokounmpo and Jabari Parker occupying those spots. Jabari has already stated he wants to be a career Buck being that it's 50 miles from his home town Chicago and is Antetokumpo really the biggest threat to bolt for a big market?

It could be even more likely if they can play well with together, which is entirely possible being that their game's are fairly complimentary and Jason Kidd will be there to figure out how to make it work.

Kris Middleton is probably a top 35-50ish player right now but with so much talent already invested on the wing it might not be in Milwaukee's best interest to tie up more money at that spot, especially considering that the team is currently starting Zaza Pachulia at Center. Their need is a 5 is arguably bigger than ours.

Parker and Antetokounmpo play as forwards; Middleton primarily plays shooting guard.