Rondo out indefinitely

[Tr1boy]

But, as I've said before - Dirk is DALLAS. He can do no wrong.

And coming from you, throughout this thread, it seems like Rondo can do no wrong.  You're turning everything on Dirk while seemingly absolving Rondo of any wrongdoing but you seem to want to point out events of 3-5 years ago about Rondo's once greatness and your notion that he can be that guy again. 

You're ignoring the real point of this thread which is what happened with Rondo in DAL and pointing fingers at everyone else (Dirk, other CB posters, injuries, whatever)  Trying to throw Dirk under the bus here just makes it appear that you can't handle the Rondo criticism and are just acting in an averting manner.   

You can wax poetic and post all the gifs you want in this thread, it doesn't defeat the fact that the Rajon Rondo we're seeing right now seems to be a shell of his former self and he has an organization that is about to cut the cord on him.

And I have NEVER, in ANY of my posts, stated that Rondo could do no wrong. Just yesterday, I posted this:

You won't find a post anywhere of me saying that Rajon Rondo is perfect. But neither will you find one of me saying that Larry Bird was perfect. Nor Paul Pierce.

One of the first things that a poster explained to me when I joined this Blog in Oct 09 is "Don't be offended if someone doesn't agree with you". With that being said, I have a different point of view than some here. Always have, always will.

I don't change like the weather, and I'll always look back fondly on players who have performed at a high level for BOS.

While acknowledging that Rajon Rondo is NOT perfect (as I've said many times before), I will certainly not back down from debating my point of view in an open thread - as others have done so here.

Yes - the Rajon Rondo we are all seeing now is not the same one we saw in BOS from 08-12. Injuries and him laying it on the floor for BOS seemed to have robbed him of that, at least for the time being.

Some posters on here can (and will) state what they see - but oftentimes what we think we see is not the entire truth.

I will always remember the good times in BOS, and what we are seeing from Rajon now will not cloud that, to me.

And as for my Dirk comments - it's his team. Was his team before Rondo go there, was/is his team after Rondo got there. Rondo was supposed to help Dirk get back to the finals. Unfortunately that does not appear to be happening, at least this year. I've mentioned Dirk because for this to be his team, his drop off in play is seemingly being ignored.

As the leader of the team, it is definitely NOT all about Rondo. But I believe that Dirk is getting a free pass.

And how come you gave Rondo a free pass when he was the captain of the Celtics playing poorly left and right?? Just read the quote below. He said it himself. No excuse for that. None

I dont mind homer fans but learn to be a little objective also

[GreenFaith1819]

But, as I've said before - Dirk is DALLAS. He can do no wrong.

And coming from you, throughout this thread, it seems like Rondo can do no wrong.  You're turning everything on Dirk while seemingly absolving Rondo of any wrongdoing but you seem to want to point out events of 3-5 years ago about Rondo's once greatness and your notion that he can be that guy again. 

You're ignoring the real point of this thread which is what happened with Rondo in DAL and pointing fingers at everyone else (Dirk, other CB posters, injuries, whatever)  Trying to throw Dirk under the bus here just makes it appear that you can't handle the Rondo criticism and are just acting in an averting manner.   

You can wax poetic and post all the gifs you want in this thread, it doesn't defeat the fact that the Rajon Rondo we're seeing right now seems to be a shell of his former self and he has an organization that is about to cut the cord on him.

And I have NEVER, in ANY of my posts, stated that Rondo could do no wrong. Just yesterday, I posted this:

You won't find a post anywhere of me saying that Rajon Rondo is perfect. But neither will you find one of me saying that Larry Bird was perfect. Nor Paul Pierce.

One of the first things that a poster explained to me when I joined this Blog in Oct 09 is "Don't be offended if someone doesn't agree with you". With that being said, I have a different point of view than some here. Always have, always will.

I don't change like the weather, and I'll always look back fondly on players who have performed at a high level for BOS.

While acknowledging that Rajon Rondo is NOT perfect (as I've said many times before), I will certainly not back down from debating my point of view in an open thread - as others have done so here.

Yes - the Rajon Rondo we are all seeing now is not the same one we saw in BOS from 08-12. Injuries and him laying it on the floor for BOS seemed to have robbed him of that, at least for the time being.

Some posters on here can (and will) state what they see - but oftentimes what we think we see is not the entire truth.

I will always remember the good times in BOS, and what we are seeing from Rajon now will not cloud that, to me.

And as for my Dirk comments - it's his team. Was his team before Rondo go there, was/is his team after Rondo got there. Rondo was supposed to help Dirk get back to the finals. Unfortunately that does not appear to be happening, at least this year. I've mentioned Dirk because for this to be his team, his drop off in play is seemingly being ignored.

As the leader of the team, it is definitely NOT all about Rondo. But I believe that Dirk is getting a free pass.

And how come you gave Rondo a free pass when he was the captain of the Celtics earlier this season playing poorly left and right?? Just read the quote below. He said it himself. No excuse for that. None

I dont mind homer fans but learn to be a little objective also

I can see with my own eyes whether Rajon Rondo is playing badly or not. I've watched basketball all my life and played Rec ball while in the service enough to know when someone is not playing well or not performing at their best.

As an ardent Rondo supporter - I chose to watch in silence and let YOU ALL throw him under the bus. He definitely did not need another poster commenting on him.

Man, those GOOD TIMES from 08-12 have evidently blinded me to what we see now. It will be a permanent blindness.

Again - I don't throw former players under the bus for laying it on the line for BOS. I can only hope/expect that things turn out well for him.

Not many here do.

[Tr1boy]

GF1819 your a good fan. Maybe Rondo can excel on a Mavs like team minus Carlisle + more freedom to do his thing.

But he also has to play harder, practice harder, instead of taking "shortcuts".  I almost puked reading the quote below. That is not the way to play for your teammates , city and fans.

Nobody will forget 08-12 but it's time to take off the glasses. The bottom line is Rondo might be able to excel somewhere else but he needs to try harder, play the right way and learn to be a little more open minded.  Especially improve his FTs at least. 

[Tr1boy]

Just when you think it cant get worse

Mavericks Fan Creates Song Titled 'Rajon Rondo Is the Worst'
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2440742-mavericks-fans-create-song-called-rajon-rondo-is-the-worse

[MBunge]

But, as I've said before - Dirk is DALLAS. He can do no wrong.

Dirk is 36 YEARS OLD.  For most players, even great ones, that age means you left the end of your prime about at least 2 years ago.

Rondo is 29 YEARS OLD.  He should be smack dab in his prime and very close to his peak at a player.

It is ENTIRELY NORMAL AND APPROPRIATE for Dirk to be cut some slack at this point in his career.  It is ENTIRELY NORMAL AND APPROPRIATE  to not cut Rondo that same slack at this point in his career.

This is not rocket science.

Mike

[Tr1boy]

I think if the Mavs start winning and by some chance actually beat the rockets to get to the next round , rondo's career in the NBA could be in japordy

[GreenFaith1819]

GF1819 your a good fan. Maybe Rondo can excel on a Mavs like team minus Carlisle + more freedom to do his thing.

But he also has to play harder, practice harder, instead of taking "shortcuts".  I almost puked reading the quote below. That is not the way to play for your teammates , city and fans.

Nobody will forget 08-12 but it's time to take off the glasses. The bottom line is Rondo might be able to excel somewhere else but he needs to try harder, play the right way and learn to be a little more open minded.  Especially improve his FTs at least.

If I was Rondo, I'd be hesitant to play harder, practice harder, not take shortcuts.

By playing hard, practicing harder, not taking shortcuts, it got him THIS:



His "former" style of play also got him several other injuries - all while in Green.

Yes - Rondo could improve his FTs and other areas of his game. We all would LOVE for him to be as complete as THIS guy:



Life is strange, though. Sometimes, it's not about being the best at your craft. For everything that Chris Paul is (and I love CP3), his team just lost at home to a resurgent Spurs team and could very well lose this series - in the first round.

I want to see CP3 win a banner.

What will his legacy say about him if he doesn't?

Rajon Rondo was CRAFTED by none other than Doc Rivers to fit his role in BOS. There was NEVER enough room for him to grow into his own, and that was the role he accepted, begrudgingly at times. Many of us here commented numerous times that it was Truth's team even as Rondo began to rise.

This was true, even to me.

Even at this point of Rajon's career, the book is still being written, still not finished. While others are ready to burn the book, throw it away - I'll keep reading.

Next year (or even THIS year) a new chapter awaits.

[GreenFaith1819]

But, as I've said before - Dirk is DALLAS. He can do no wrong.

Dirk is 36 YEARS OLD.  For most players, even great ones, that age means you left the end of your prime about at least 2 years ago.

Rondo is 29 YEARS OLD.  He should be smack dab in his prime and very close to his peak at a player.

It is ENTIRELY NORMAL AND APPROPRIATE for Dirk to be cut some slack at this point in his career.  It is ENTIRELY NORMAL AND APPROPRIATE  to not cut Rondo that same slack at this point in his career.

This is not rocket science.

Mike

It's never rocket science.

But if Dirk was never known to be a defensive guru, what else would he have to offer DAL if his J started going south?

KG is still in the league (and STARTING in Minny AND was doing the same in BKN before he was bought out) because of his defense. He already announced that next year will be his last.

When will Dirk's?

[celticsclay]

But, as I've said before - Dirk is DALLAS. He can do no wrong.

Dirk is 36 YEARS OLD.  For most players, even great ones, that age means you left the end of your prime about at least 2 years ago.

Rondo is 29 YEARS OLD.  He should be smack dab in his prime and very close to his peak at a player.

It is ENTIRELY NORMAL AND APPROPRIATE for Dirk to be cut some slack at this point in his career.  It is ENTIRELY NORMAL AND APPROPRIATE  to not cut Rondo that same slack at this point in his career.

This is not rocket science.

Mike

It's never rocket science.

But if Dirk was never known to be a defensive guru, what else would he have to offer DAL if his J started going south?

KG is still in the league (and STARTING in Minny AND was doing the same in BKN before he was bought out) because of his defense. He already announced that next year will be his last.

When will Dirk's?

I love KG but saying he is Starting in Minny is pretty misleading. He was injured most of his time there and is really only physically capable of playing 20 minutes rights now. If he is a starter it is an honorary nod to his legacy there and the fans and not reflective of where he is at this point in his career. You do realize that?

[Eddie20]

But, as I've said before - Dirk is DALLAS. He can do no wrong.

Dirk is 36 YEARS OLD.  For most players, even great ones, that age means you left the end of your prime about at least 2 years ago.

Rondo is 29 YEARS OLD.  He should be smack dab in his prime and very close to his peak at a player.

It is ENTIRELY NORMAL AND APPROPRIATE for Dirk to be cut some slack at this point in his career.  It is ENTIRELY NORMAL AND APPROPRIATE  to not cut Rondo that same slack at this point in his career.

This is not rocket science.

Mike

It's never rocket science.

But if Dirk was never known to be a defensive guru, what else would he have to offer DAL if his J started going south?

KG is still in the league (and STARTING in Minny AND was doing the same in BKN before he was bought out) because of his defense. He already announced that next year will be his last.

When will Dirk's?

Not sure you realize how silly you sound in comparing Dirk and Rondo. Dirk is a surefire HOF, who was a finals MVP, and carried the Mavs passed the favored Heat. Rondo at this point is NOT a HOF player and won his lone title by riding the coattails of the Big 3.

Your head is buried so far in the sand that I question if you've seen any basketball other than games Rondo has played. I mean you did say that if Rondo, regardless of team he's playing for, plays the Cs you would root for the Rondo team to win. Yeah, that's objective.

[Tr1boy]

GF1819 your a good fan. Maybe Rondo can excel on a Mavs like team minus Carlisle + more freedom to do his thing.

But he also has to play harder, practice harder, instead of taking "shortcuts".  I almost puked reading the quote below. That is not the way to play for your teammates , city and fans.

Nobody will forget 08-12 but it's time to take off the glasses. The bottom line is Rondo might be able to excel somewhere else but he needs to try harder, play the right way and learn to be a little more open minded.  Especially improve his FTs at least.

If I was Rondo, I'd be hesitant to play harder, practice harder, not take shortcuts.

By playing hard, practicing harder, not taking shortcuts, it got him THIS:

sorry but I can't agree. Just because you ran into a setback bc you played hard, the right way does not mean you take a shortcut moving fwd. That is not noble

you don't start hiding behind the frontline.

Rondo played hard , through bruises etc.  and that is why he went to the finals twice. That is why he was praised by many around the league .  It is a miracle he was as good as he was even without a proper jump shot. That is how hard he played.   

Look at him now trying to take shortcuts, not play defense because he was not expected to etc.  he is getting ridiculed.    His lack of jump shot looks even worse. 

He has to go back and play the same way as he did before. Even if it might lead to another career ending injury.   Look at Rose, RW.  That is the way to do it

[Ilikesports17]

GF1819 your a good fan. Maybe Rondo can excel on a Mavs like team minus Carlisle + more freedom to do his thing.

But he also has to play harder, practice harder, instead of taking "shortcuts".  I almost puked reading the quote below. That is not the way to play for your teammates , city and fans.

Nobody will forget 08-12 but it's time to take off the glasses. The bottom line is Rondo might be able to excel somewhere else but he needs to try harder, play the right way and learn to be a little more open minded.  Especially improve his FTs at least.

If I was Rondo, I'd be hesitant to play harder, practice harder, not take shortcuts.

By playing hard, practicing harder, not taking shortcuts, it got him THIS:

sorry but I can't agree. Just because you ran into a setback bc you played hard, the right way does not mean you take a shortcut moving fwd. That is not noble

you don't start hiding behind the frontline.

Rondo played hard , through bruises etc.  and that is why he went to the finals twice. That is why he was praised by many around the league .  It is a miracle he was as good as he was even without a proper jump shot. That is how hard he played.   

Look at him now trying to take shortcuts, not play defense because he was not expected to etc.  he is getting ridiculed.    His lack of jump shot looks even worse. 

He has to go back and play the same way as he did before. Even if he gets another career ending injury.

TP. Rondo's toughness, hustle, heart you name it was what made him great, its what made us Celtics fans forget all the BS he put us through because when it came to it he outhustled everyone he defended Lebron, he dove on the floor, he stood up for his teammates against guys twice his size, he played 2 games with a dislocated elbow.

Unless he gets  back to the scrappy Rondo who did all those things he will continue to spiral into retirement.

BTW when a professional athlete no longer wants to "to play harder, practice harder, not take shortcuts" thats called retirement or I believe Jalen Rose termed it as "keep gettin dem checks"

Once you do that your career is over because there are countless kids out there willing to
"to play harder, practice harder, not take shortcuts"

[GreenFaith1819]

But, as I've said before - Dirk is DALLAS. He can do no wrong.

Dirk is 36 YEARS OLD.  For most players, even great ones, that age means you left the end of your prime about at least 2 years ago.

Rondo is 29 YEARS OLD.  He should be smack dab in his prime and very close to his peak at a player.

It is ENTIRELY NORMAL AND APPROPRIATE for Dirk to be cut some slack at this point in his career.  It is ENTIRELY NORMAL AND APPROPRIATE  to not cut Rondo that same slack at this point in his career.

This is not rocket science.

Mike

It's never rocket science.

But if Dirk was never known to be a defensive guru, what else would he have to offer DAL if his J started going south?

KG is still in the league (and STARTING in Minny AND was doing the same in BKN before he was bought out) because of his defense. He already announced that next year will be his last.

When will Dirk's?

Not sure you realize how silly you sound in comparing Dirk and Rondo. Dirk is a surefire HOF, who was a finals MVP, and carried the Mavs passed the favored Heat. Rondo at this point is NOT a HOF player and won his lone title by riding the coattails of the Big 3.

Your head is buried so far in the sand that I question if you've seen any basketball other than games Rondo has played. I mean you did say that if Rondo, regardless of team he's playing for, plays the Cs you would root for the Rondo team to win. Yeah, that's objective.

Regardless of what YOU say Rondo is (or not), or what Dirk is (or not) - I stand by my words.

And as I've stated before - I have seen AND played a LOT of basketball. Played all the time up until 2010 when I tore my Achilles playing with my oldest son....he went off to play against the friends his age, and I played against the young men. Was playing well against the young'uns, too - well enough to get a mini-Tim Duncan comparison from one of them.

I found that comment funny, because I've always looked at myself as a poor man's Dikembe. - great defender, but not a good point producer by any means.

But I played, fit my ROLE well, and enjoyed Basketball. Basketball is a TEAM sport. I Will be playing again one day.

Dirk is a great player, and a surefire HOFer, as you say. But he is also (and always has been) a finesse player, and, at best - an adequate defender (if you count his 1.5 blocks he averaged for a couple of years.)

To me, he's a classic Euro-player. But celebrated as being a 7ft Larry Bird (minus Larry's mythic playmaking abilities AND Larry's defense while in his prime).

But - as many of you have taught me here on CelticsBlog - BLOCKS aren't the mark of a good defender.

And your sig is cute. I stood my ground, no matter how much you (and others here) think otherwise. I'm so glad I've meant THAT much to you, seriously.

I don't know if you realize it or not, but you guys compared me to Dr. Phil recently, AND BBallTim - two people I hold in great regard.

I will be sticking around, though - and maybe one day we can dig ourselves OUT of the hole BOTH of our heads are in, LOL.

[GreenFaith1819]

GF1819 your a good fan. Maybe Rondo can excel on a Mavs like team minus Carlisle + more freedom to do his thing.

But he also has to play harder, practice harder, instead of taking "shortcuts".  I almost puked reading the quote below. That is not the way to play for your teammates , city and fans.

Nobody will forget 08-12 but it's time to take off the glasses. The bottom line is Rondo might be able to excel somewhere else but he needs to try harder, play the right way and learn to be a little more open minded.  Especially improve his FTs at least.

If I was Rondo, I'd be hesitant to play harder, practice harder, not take shortcuts.

By playing hard, practicing harder, not taking shortcuts, it got him THIS:

sorry but I can't agree. Just because you ran into a setback bc you played hard, the right way does not mean you take a shortcut moving fwd. That is not noble

you don't start hiding behind the frontline.

Rondo played hard , through bruises etc.  and that is why he went to the finals twice. That is why he was praised by many around the league .  It is a miracle he was as good as he was even without a proper jump shot. That is how hard he played.   

Look at him now trying to take shortcuts, not play defense because he was not expected to etc.  he is getting ridiculed.    His lack of jump shot looks even worse. 

He has to go back and play the same way as he did before. Even if he gets another career ending injury.

TP. Rondo's toughness, hustle, heart you name it was what made him great, its what made us Celtics fans forget all the BS he put us through because when it came to it he outhustled everyone he defended Lebron, he dove on the floor, he stood up for his teammates against guys twice his size, he played 2 games with a dislocated elbow.

Unless he gets  back to the scrappy Rondo who did all those things he will continue to spiral into retirement.

BTW when a professional athlete no longer wants to "to play harder, practice harder, not take shortcuts" thats called retirement or I believe Jalen Rose termed it as "keep gettin dem checks"

Once you do that your career is over because there are countless kids out there willing to
"to play harder, practice harder, not take shortcuts"

I'm hoping/expecting that Rajon will, in fact - get back to that same Rondo you speak of. Who knows what is holding him back right now.

I'm so glad that the book is still being written on him. Still lots of basketball to play.

Post that in your sig, too - just as Eddie20.

[GreenFaith1819]

Glad you're a man of your word, Eddie20. I told/dared you to place my optimistic comments about Rajon and DAL in your sig - and you did it.

May we BOTH continue to agree/disagree, whatever - but I'm not going anywhere, nor changing my stance on things.