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Re: Rondo out indefinitely
« Reply #105 on: April 22, 2015, 08:04:57 PM »

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Welp:

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Do you expect Rajon Rondo to ever wear a Mavericks uniform again? "No, I don't," Rick Carlisle said.

Because of the injury, right???  Sounds like it must be pretty bad.

Gotta be, must've hurt his back trying to carry to corpses of Dirk and Co. to a title.

This....so much.

I bet it gave Rondo a headache knowing that the PF he was trying to work with in DAL wasn't THIS guy:



Garnett, even playing on one leg and the other leg in a cast - is a better defender than Dirk, even now.

and Dirk gets a free pass.

I wasn't actually serious, Rondo's largely been trash in Dallas, haha.

Neither was I.

Re: Rondo out indefinitely
« Reply #106 on: April 22, 2015, 08:13:09 PM »

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Shoddy reporting by ESPN - obviously a Rondo hater, by the way he commented on the "fit" and what happened last night rather than the likelihood that Rajon Rondo....."could", you know - be injured.

After all, he DOES put it out there on the line for his team, right?





Or....maybe ESPN (once again) is fueling the speculation machine....can't say that doesn't happen ;).

And for Eddie20 - No need for the PMs, lol....come forward and post RIGHT HERE what you sent me via PM earlier.

To be honest, I make no qualms whatsoever about wishing Rajon Rondo and DAL success. It could still very well turn out that way as DAL heads home and HOPEFULLY Rajon's injury is not serious.

Rajon Rondo "could" be out only a game or two, play and help turn this thing around. Perhaps he's done in DAL this season AND for good.

As perhaps ESPN's most hated PG EVER, I don't ever expect them to report as they know the facts - but not on speculation.

After all, the juicy morsels of gossip and hearsay...."sell", right? ;)

For Rajon Rondo to NOT be in the ESPN dungeon would surely mean that ESPN is bored and with nothing to do.

It's actually sad to see Rondo hated so much on this site. Even when he was good he was still hated and it seems that the people who hate Rondo is trying to shove this down Rondo fans throat.

Re: Rondo out indefinitely
« Reply #107 on: April 22, 2015, 08:27:56 PM »

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Re: Rondo out indefinitely
« Reply #108 on: April 22, 2015, 08:28:56 PM »

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I just hope he lands in a good place for him this summer. Don't like the idea that the ACL injury was the beginning of the end for Rondo one bit.

Man did the Dallas thing go south quick, though. Would love to hear the True Hollywood Story about Rondo and the Mavs someday.

Re: Rondo out indefinitely
« Reply #109 on: April 22, 2015, 08:31:17 PM »

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Shoddy reporting by ESPN - obviously a Rondo hater, by the way he commented on the "fit" and what happened last night rather than the likelihood that Rajon Rondo....."could", you know - be injured.

After all, he DOES put it out there on the line for his team, right?





Or....maybe ESPN (once again) is fueling the speculation machine....can't say that doesn't happen ;).

And for Eddie20 - No need for the PMs, lol....come forward and post RIGHT HERE what you sent me via PM earlier.

To be honest, I make no qualms whatsoever about wishing Rajon Rondo and DAL success. It could still very well turn out that way as DAL heads home and HOPEFULLY Rajon's injury is not serious.

Rajon Rondo "could" be out only a game or two, play and help turn this thing around. Perhaps he's done in DAL this season AND for good.

As perhaps ESPN's most hated PG EVER, I don't ever expect them to report as they know the facts - but not on speculation.

After all, the juicy morsels of gossip and hearsay...."sell", right? ;)

For Rajon Rondo to NOT be in the ESPN dungeon would surely mean that ESPN is bored and with nothing to do.

It's actually sad to see Rondo hated so much on this site. Even when he was good he was still hated and it seems that the people who hate Rondo is trying to shove this down Rondo fans throat.

Um, that's exactly they're trying to do.

I mean why else would people be trying to cite "playoff" Rondo's 2 game average?  Sample size much?

It's already gone wayyyy beyond stretching.
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Re: Rondo out indefinitely
« Reply #110 on: April 22, 2015, 08:36:27 PM »

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BUT - then again - this is ESPN we are following here, LOL.....so what is exactly the truth?
No, we're really following the Dallas PR staff and mavs.com's beat reporter:

https://twitter.com/EarlKSneed/status/590976998769430529

Or, alternatively, we're talking tin foil hats. It's pretty cut and dry, really.

Yeah, the same PR staff that gives Dirk Nowitski a free pass as he can't hit the broadside of a barn with a Tactical Nuke.

Dirk is an NBA legend and Mavs Lifer. One bad game will not bring him down to Rondo's level, especially considering (though it shouldn't even be relevant) Dirk's strong performance in game 1.

Rondo has been to the All-Star game a few times. He's not a legend. He's has not just one bad game but a really unimpressive 2-3 year stretch starting with the injury, making a pitstop for a lackluster 6 months of stat-padded basketball in Boston and ending with an absolutely pathetic performance in game 2.

I appreciate what Rondo did for the Celts from 2008-12, but I really don't understand how Boston's blue collar fanbase likes him anymore. He's a spoiled brat who thinks he's smarter than everyone else and believes the team needs to be built around him.

There are plenty of guys in the NBA just as intelligent as Rondo who don't let their intellect constantly disturb their team. That's not smarts, that's just being a jerk. I haven't watched the Mavs much but when I have I've observed Rondo's notably apathetic efforts to adjust to their system, particularly with respect to playing off the ball. I don't see Rondo diving to the rim when the defense takes their eyes off him to check Ellis or Parsons or Dirk. I don't see him crashing the offensive glass like he used to. I don't see any of the effort he put into being a dangerous off ball weapon despite his poor shot. All I see is a stubborn point guard who costs his team possessions against a formidable opponent on the road in protest of his coach calling the plays (last night's 8 sec violation). That's not the Rondo any of us used to know, so I can't understand why his supporters still love him as they do.

I'm sorry, but I'll have to passionately disagree.  What he did against Rose, Kobe, Howard, Lebron, and Wade is nothing short of legendary.  He's been the best player in series against every one of those guys, and if he wasn't here, there's no way that we could have made it to the Finals in 2010, let alone have continued our run for another two years.  He dominated the Cavs.  He destroyed the Bulls.  He wiped the floor with the Magic, and the Lakers had no answer for him, either.  In do-or-die games, he always shined the brightest.  When we trailed the Cavs 2-1 going into game 4 in 2010, he played one of the greatest games I've ever seen, severely outplayed Lebron and was unguardable in that series.  After dropping game 1 in the finals that year, he responded with a triple double in game 2, including a couple of huge plays down the stretch to ice it, in addition to feeding Ray for his record-setting performance.  In 2012, after losing game 1 to the heat, he put up a career high of 44 points on the road, and was the main reason why we were able to tie that series.  He also had another triple double, again on the road, in game 7, which many people seem to forget.  Ask yourself this question - how many 6'1" players can nearly average a triple double in the postseason?  He's just a great big game player, guys like that are extremely difficult to find, and if you come through the way he routinely has in the postseason, you'll never be forgotten.

I also disagree that he isn't the most intelligent player in the game.  If he wasn't, wouldn't teams be able to successfully game plan against him?  Tom Thibodeau said that you can't scheme for him, and have you forgotten the praise given to him by Bob Cousy, who is notoriously difficult to impress?  He loved Rondo, probably because, like Cousy, Rondo sees so many things out there that most players don't - not even Lebron.  How many players can score 6 points and dominate a game?  He's the most unique player in the league, imo. 

Finally, I realize that he can be a bit of a jerk, but I honestly don't care about that, and please explain the whole 'spoiled brat' part of the Rondo image, because I've never understood that part of it.  Bottom line - I guess that we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, and that's okay. :) No problem. 

Re: Rondo out indefinitely
« Reply #111 on: April 22, 2015, 08:48:40 PM »

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What really out to fly in the face of the Mavs faithful .....

IMO .....he played better as Celtic this year , he had several nice games early on .....when he actually pretended to care.  He was pretty decent at moments.  Stevens was kind and gentle with him.

We got a haul for him and all he did was dick up the Mavs team .... ;D

Re: Rondo out indefinitely
« Reply #112 on: April 22, 2015, 10:27:10 PM »

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Moral of the story, NBA GM's don't trade away future first rounders to Danny no matter what comes out his mouth, Ranjo Rondo is going to have a career year - check. KG and PP still have a lot of basketball left in them - check. Jeff Green has still got room to grow - 2019 Memphis lottery pick? -  Check

Re: Rondo out indefinitely
« Reply #113 on: April 22, 2015, 10:43:25 PM »

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Indeed it was. TP.

Danny cleaned Mark Cuban's clock on this one.

Perhaps it will teach the billionaire to do his due diligence before he imports an ego-driven head case.

Sadly, some of us have known this day was coming. For quite awhile.
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Re: Rondo out indefinitely
« Reply #114 on: April 23, 2015, 12:08:40 AM »

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BUT - then again - this is ESPN we are following here, LOL.....so what is exactly the truth?
No, we're really following the Dallas PR staff and mavs.com's beat reporter:

https://twitter.com/EarlKSneed/status/590976998769430529

Or, alternatively, we're talking tin foil hats. It's pretty cut and dry, really.

Yeah, the same PR staff that gives Dirk Nowitski a free pass as he can't hit the broadside of a barn with a Tactical Nuke.

Dirk is an NBA legend and Mavs Lifer. One bad game will not bring him down to Rondo's level, especially considering (though it shouldn't even be relevant) Dirk's strong performance in game 1.

Rondo has been to the All-Star game a few times. He's not a legend. He's has not just one bad game but a really unimpressive 2-3 year stretch starting with the injury, making a pitstop for a lackluster 6 months of stat-padded basketball in Boston and ending with an absolutely pathetic performance in game 2.

I appreciate what Rondo did for the Celts from 2008-12, but I really don't understand how Boston's blue collar fanbase likes him anymore. He's a spoiled brat who thinks he's smarter than everyone else and believes the team needs to be built around him.

There are plenty of guys in the NBA just as intelligent as Rondo who don't let their intelect constantly disturb their team. That's not smarts, that's just being a jerk. I haven't watched the Mavs much but when I have I've observed Rondo's notably apathetic efforts to adjust to their system, particularly with respect to playing off the ball. I don't see Rondo diving to the rim when his defense takes his eyes off him to check Ellis or Parsons or Dirk. I don't see him crashing the offensive glass like he used to. I don't see any of the effort he put into being a dangerous off ball weapon despite his poor shot. All I see is a stubborn point guard who costs his team possessions against a formidable opponent on the road in protest of his coach calling the plays (last night's 8 sec violation). That's not the Rondo any of us used to know, so I can't understand why his supporters still love him as they do.

Define "Legend".

To me, Tim Duncan is a Legend. He will go down in history as a complete Superstar. Russell, Kareem, Hakeem, Larry, Shaq, Wilt, Michael, Dr J.....these guys played BOTH sides of the ball at an Elite level.

Larry and Magic could be debated defensively - while Larry won 3 2nd team defensive awards, Magic didn't win any.

But Larry and Magic are certainly Legends.

Dirk is not in their category.

Dirk's international flair helps with his appeal, but he is not on the same level as those guys.

So what is Dirk, again?

And define "Blue Collar Fanbase". I've been a diehard C's fan since 1981....does that make me "Blue Collar"? Does my admiration of what Rajon Rondo did for us make me any different than the "Blue" collars?

Does my steadfast refusal to toss Rondo under the bus here make me non-Blue? Or does it make me Green?

You won't find a post anywhere of me saying that Rajon Rondo is perfect. But neither will you find one of me saying that Larry Bird was perfect. Nor Paul Pierce.

In today's day and age, player's mannerisms, habits, expressions - can be read so many ways. Some of it true, some of it purely false.

Whatever Rondo's struggles in DAL, whether professionally or otherwise - won't take away from the fact that he had some incredible seasons in BOS.

Never will.

Took the words out of my mouth.

No matter what Rondo does, I'll never forget what he did for us. Same with Allen, although I have still lost a lot of my respect for him.
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Re: Rondo out indefinitely
« Reply #115 on: April 23, 2015, 12:18:03 AM »

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Were ainge and carlisle teammates before?

I wonder how Ainge feels about the Rondo drama. We may never know i guess

Re: Rondo out indefinitely
« Reply #116 on: April 23, 2015, 12:25:58 AM »

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What really out to fly in the face of the Mavs faithful .....

IMO .....he played better as Celtic this year , he had several nice games early on .....when he actually pretended to care.  He was pretty decent at moments.  Stevens was kind and gentle with him.

We got a haul for him and all he did was dick up the Mavs team .... ;D

Wasn't Rondo leading the league in assists and all guards in rebounds? I think that's a testament to Stevens, being able to maximize his players' capabilities.

Re: Rondo out indefinitely
« Reply #117 on: April 23, 2015, 01:03:07 AM »

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BUT - then again - this is ESPN we are following here, LOL.....so what is exactly the truth?
No, we're really following the Dallas PR staff and mavs.com's beat reporter:

https://twitter.com/EarlKSneed/status/590976998769430529

Or, alternatively, we're talking tin foil hats. It's pretty cut and dry, really.

Yeah, the same PR staff that gives Dirk Nowitski a free pass as he can't hit the broadside of a barn with a Tactical Nuke.

Dirk is an NBA legend and Mavs Lifer. One bad game will not bring him down to Rondo's level, especially considering (though it shouldn't even be relevant) Dirk's strong performance in game 1.

Rondo has been to the All-Star game a few times. He's not a legend. He's has not just one bad game but a really unimpressive 2-3 year stretch starting with the injury, making a pitstop for a lackluster 6 months of stat-padded basketball in Boston and ending with an absolutely pathetic performance in game 2.

I appreciate what Rondo did for the Celts from 2008-12, but I really don't understand how Boston's blue collar fanbase likes him anymore. He's a spoiled brat who thinks he's smarter than everyone else and believes the team needs to be built around him.

There are plenty of guys in the NBA just as intelligent as Rondo who don't let their intellect constantly disturb their team. That's not smarts, that's just being a jerk. I haven't watched the Mavs much but when I have I've observed Rondo's notably apathetic efforts to adjust to their system, particularly with respect to playing off the ball. I don't see Rondo diving to the rim when the defense takes their eyes off him to check Ellis or Parsons or Dirk. I don't see him crashing the offensive glass like he used to. I don't see any of the effort he put into being a dangerous off ball weapon despite his poor shot. All I see is a stubborn point guard who costs his team possessions against a formidable opponent on the road in protest of his coach calling the plays (last night's 8 sec violation). That's not the Rondo any of us used to know, so I can't understand why his supporters still love him as they do.

I'm sorry, but I'll have to passionately disagree.  What he did against Rose, Kobe, Howard, Lebron, and Wade is nothing short of legendary.  He's been the best player in series against every one of those guys, and if he wasn't here, there's no way that we could have made it to the Finals in 2010, let alone have continued our run for another two years.  He dominated the Cavs.  He destroyed the Bulls.  He wiped the floor with the Magic, and the Lakers had no answer for him, either.  In do-or-die games, he always shined the brightest.  When we trailed the Cavs 2-1 going into game 4 in 2010, he played one of the greatest games I've ever seen, severely outplayed Lebron and was unguardable in that series.  After dropping game 1 in the finals that year, he responded with a triple double in game 2, including a couple of huge plays down the stretch to ice it, in addition to feeding Ray for his record-setting performance.  In 2012, after losing game 1 to the heat, he put up a career high of 44 points on the road, and was the main reason why we were able to tie that series.  He also had another triple double, again on the road, in game 7, which many people seem to forget.  Ask yourself this question - how many 6'1" players can nearly average a triple double in the postseason?  He's just a great big game player, guys like that are extremely difficult to find, and if you come through the way he routinely has in the postseason, you'll never be forgotten.

I also disagree that he isn't the most intelligent player in the game.  If he wasn't, wouldn't teams be able to successfully game plan against him?  Tom Thibodeau said that you can't scheme for him, and have you forgotten the praise given to him by Bob Cousy, who is notoriously difficult to impress?  He loved Rondo, probably because, like Cousy, Rondo sees so many things out there that most players don't - not even Lebron.  How many players can score 6 points and dominate a game?  He's the most unique player in the league, imo. 

Finally, I realize that he can be a bit of a jerk, but I honestly don't care about that, and please explain the whole 'spoiled brat' part of the Rondo image, because I've never understood that part of it.  Bottom line - I guess that we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, and that's okay. :) No problem.

I can somewhat understand the 'spoiled brat' label people are putting on Rondo based on his attitude - things like sneaking in to an opponent's huddle, etc.  Plus when you see him in an interview he does come across very 'stand-off-ish' as if he feels like he's too good to talk to the press.

But then on the other hand the way he plays kinda goes against all that.  I can't think of many guys in history who have played through type of pain Rondo has played through.  Leading Boston to a win in the playoffs one handed, while nursing a dislocated elbow?  That was one of the most inspiring moments in basketball history.  His hustle, diving on the ball in that famous game against the Magic - that play changed the game.  The comments from teammates (like AB, etc) about his extreme generosity and the way he mentored them.  None of these sound the type of actions you expect from someone with the attitude of a spoiled brat.

A challenging personality to get along with?  Yeah, sounds like it.  But Rondo, for all his flaws, did enough in his career to earn the respect of guys like Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Kobe Bryant and that is not an easy feat.

Re: Rondo out indefinitely
« Reply #118 on: April 23, 2015, 01:53:23 AM »

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Re: Rondo out indefinitely
« Reply #119 on: April 23, 2015, 02:21:52 AM »

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I sold my Rondo stock years ago at pre-injury assist-streak peak values.  Made a small fortune.  If anyone is selling their remaining worthless shares, I'm happy to buy them at rock bottom prices.  With the salary cap jumping a year from now, teams with the cap space advantage this summer are going to make desperation signings.  Best to utilize the cap space advantage before the rest of the league has cap space to join the party next year.   Someone will settle for Rondo as the splash signing.  Whoever he lands with will let him go back to being poor man's Jason Kidd.  They'll get their money's worth by letting him control the ball for better or worse.  None of this "fit into our system" nonsense.  Rondo-ball will be back.  Those assists will be right back up next season.   I'm looking at stealing him in all of my fantasy basketball drafts this Summer.