ROY: Andrew Wiggins or Nerlens Noel

[Eddie20]

I'm obviously biased, but I think Jordan Clarkson should get some strong consideration (PER is better than Wiggins and Noel, and he is generally playing well). Even with that said, I give the award to Mirotic pretty easily. Highest rookie PER, plus is playing on a talented team in meaningful games.

I made a thread about him the other day, as I am certainly impressed, as well.  He's a lot better than Marcus Smart, lol. Ugh.  I do think that he should get strong consideration, though, but my vote would have to be for Wiggins.  I'm also not surprised to see that Jabari Brown has been playing very well, but I am surprised that Roscoe Smith has yet to be called up.  He's like a taller, thinner, version of Jae Crowder mixed with Renaldo Balkman.  Sigh.  Both of those guys should have been Celtics, imo.  You guys obviously have great scouts.  Unfortunately, I can't say the same for us, lol. How's Randle coming along?  I was honestly torn between him and Smart on draft night.

I wish we could give negative TP's.

- Clarkson a lot better than Smart? Really?

- Roscoe Smith, who isn't in the league, is like Crowder, who is in the league, but mixed with Balkman who isn't in the league either. So are you saying he sucks?

- Lakers have great scouts and we don't? Again, really? Since their 20 win team is filled with so much young talent.

As of right now, yes, Clarkson is much better than Smart.  Have you even seen him play or taken the time to look at his numbers, because he's a sick player, imo.  You shouldn't be so dismissive of the guy, btw, especially because he was just named rookie of the month in the WESTERN CONFERENCE, and that's no small feat.

What I meant with the Roscoe Smith comparisons is that, like Crowder, he's an all-effort/hustle guy who obviously plays defense, but I included Balkman in there, too, because Smith is an excellent rebounder, like Balkman is, and both of them are of similar size. 

Finally, in terms of scouting, yes, I would say that they have much better scouts, given that they were able to find a player of Clarkson's caliber at 46.  Okay, so they technically traded for him, but they still identified his talent and went out and got him.

Aren't you also the same guy that just a few months suggested that Rondo is the best PG in the NBA? So honestly, when you say laughable things like Clarkson is better than Smart, or the Lakers have better scouting than the C's, the applicable response would be...consider the source.

And aren't you the same guy who regularly cites Chad Ford as a reputable source, in addition to your idea of giving Jae Crowder, of all people, a 4 year deal?  So honestly, when you say laughable things like DJ Augustin is a better point guard than Rajon Rondo, or spell Kirk Hinrich's last name as if he was related to heinrich himmler, the applicable response would be...consider the source. We're done here.

I often cite Ford because he's pretty plugged into the NBA draft. However, rest assured that the moment he starts saying ridiculous things like "Clarkson is way better than Rondo" then I'll never use him as a reference again.

I never said Augustin was better than Rondo.

Why wouldn't we want Crowder to a 4 year deal if the price is right?

I was typing off my phone, so perhaps autocorrect took over the catastrophic spelling mishap that occurred. I know that pesky vowel had you confused into thinking I was talking about the third reich.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

I'd give it to the Mass guy without a doubt cause he is from Mass. Call it homer support or east coast bias or U.S. bias Idc. Jk Wiggins should win it and it's not even close..

Is Wiggins really that far from the field? He scores 16 points a game at a below average efficiency and doesn't really give you anything else...

[Beat LA]

I'm obviously biased, but I think Jordan Clarkson should get some strong consideration (PER is better than Wiggins and Noel, and he is generally playing well). Even with that said, I give the award to Mirotic pretty easily. Highest rookie PER, plus is playing on a talented team in meaningful games.

I made a thread about him the other day, as I am certainly impressed, as well.  He's a lot better than Marcus Smart, lol. Ugh.  I do think that he should get strong consideration, though, but my vote would have to be for Wiggins.  I'm also not surprised to see that Jabari Brown has been playing very well, but I am surprised that Roscoe Smith has yet to be called up.  He's like a taller, thinner, version of Jae Crowder mixed with Renaldo Balkman.  Sigh.  Both of those guys should have been Celtics, imo.  You guys obviously have great scouts.  Unfortunately, I can't say the same for us, lol. How's Randle coming along?  I was honestly torn between him and Smart on draft night.

I wish we could give negative TP's.

- Clarkson a lot better than Smart? Really?

- Roscoe Smith, who isn't in the league, is like Crowder, who is in the league, but mixed with Balkman who isn't in the league either. So are you saying he sucks?

- Lakers have great scouts and we don't? Again, really? Since their 20 win team is filled with so much young talent.

As of right now, yes, Clarkson is much better than Smart.  Have you even seen him play or taken the time to look at his numbers, because he's a sick player, imo.  You shouldn't be so dismissive of the guy, btw, especially because he was just named rookie of the month in the WESTERN CONFERENCE, and that's no small feat.

What I meant with the Roscoe Smith comparisons is that, like Crowder, he's an all-effort/hustle guy who obviously plays defense, but I included Balkman in there, too, because Smith is an excellent rebounder, like Balkman is, and both of them are of similar size. 

Finally, in terms of scouting, yes, I would say that they have much better scouts, given that they were able to find a player of Clarkson's caliber at 46.  Okay, so they technically traded for him, but they still identified his talent and went out and got him.

Aren't you also the same guy that just a few months suggested that Rondo is the best PG in the NBA? So honestly, when you say laughable things like Clarkson is better than Smart, or the Lakers have better scouting than the C's, the applicable response would be...consider the source.

And aren't you the same guy who regularly cites Chad Ford as a reputable source, in addition to your idea of giving Jae Crowder, of all people, a 4 year deal?  So honestly, when you say laughable things like DJ Augustin is a better point guard than Rajon Rondo, or spell Kirk Hinrich's last name as if he was related to heinrich himmler, the applicable response would be...consider the source. We're done here.

The things you dismiss as laughable are pretty legit points.
For the last 2 years Augustins been better than Rondo, a four year deal to crowder isn't all that bad oh and he also made a spelling mistake... Death sentence

Lastly do you really think clarkson is better than smart. There is not a single team in the nba who would rather have clarkson moving forward and for this year the only teams that want clarclson over smart are teams trying their hardest to lose games

The lakers are trying harder than anyone else to lose games. 

He had credibility you don't now we are done here.

Wow, you guys are brutal.  I never thought that I'd have to argue that Rondo is better than DJ Augustin.  Now that's laughable, but if that's your view, then fine.  I don't have a problem with people having different opinions. 

As for Crowder, why would you want to give him a 4-year deal?  He's a scrapper, sure, and I like watching him play, but guys like him usually aren't difficult to replace.  Crowder is also the type of player who you typically add to a contender, as he's not a guy to build around, and we don't even have a core yet, lol.

Finally, as I've repeatedly said, yes, I think that Clarkson is better than Smart AS OF RIGHT NOW.  Can that change?  I certainly hope so, lol. I'm not giving up on Smart, but have you even seen Clarkson play, because it's not all about numbers.  The guy is a very intelligent player who plays within himself.  He can get to the basket and score with either hand, and if he's fouled, he actually makes his free throws.  Clarkson also has an automatic midrange game, a pretty good 3-point shot, and he's a very good passer.  When has Smart showed any of these attributes this year?  Hopefully year two will be much better, but he's hard to watch at this point, for the most part - at least, imo.

I really don't care if our opinions differ - it's fine - but just because you agree with someone doesn't mean that they have credibility. I'm terribly sorry if I've angered or upset you, btw, as it was never my intention.  It's not like I'm trying to start a fight here.

[Beat LA]

I'm obviously biased, but I think Jordan Clarkson should get some strong consideration (PER is better than Wiggins and Noel, and he is generally playing well). Even with that said, I give the award to Mirotic pretty easily. Highest rookie PER, plus is playing on a talented team in meaningful games.

I made a thread about him the other day, as I am certainly impressed, as well.  He's a lot better than Marcus Smart, lol. Ugh.  I do think that he should get strong consideration, though, but my vote would have to be for Wiggins.  I'm also not surprised to see that Jabari Brown has been playing very well, but I am surprised that Roscoe Smith has yet to be called up.  He's like a taller, thinner, version of Jae Crowder mixed with Renaldo Balkman.  Sigh.  Both of those guys should have been Celtics, imo.  You guys obviously have great scouts.  Unfortunately, I can't say the same for us, lol. How's Randle coming along?  I was honestly torn between him and Smart on draft night.

I wish we could give negative TP's.

- Clarkson a lot better than Smart? Really?

- Roscoe Smith, who isn't in the league, is like Crowder, who is in the league, but mixed with Balkman who isn't in the league either. So are you saying he sucks?

- Lakers have great scouts and we don't? Again, really? Since their 20 win team is filled with so much young talent.

As of right now, yes, Clarkson is much better than Smart.  Have you even seen him play or taken the time to look at his numbers, because he's a sick player, imo.  You shouldn't be so dismissive of the guy, btw, especially because he was just named rookie of the month in the WESTERN CONFERENCE, and that's no small feat.

What I meant with the Roscoe Smith comparisons is that, like Crowder, he's an all-effort/hustle guy who obviously plays defense, but I included Balkman in there, too, because Smith is an excellent rebounder, like Balkman is, and both of them are of similar size. 

Finally, in terms of scouting, yes, I would say that they have much better scouts, given that they were able to find a player of Clarkson's caliber at 46.  Okay, so they technically traded for him, but they still identified his talent and went out and got him.

Aren't you also the same guy that just a few months suggested that Rondo is the best PG in the NBA? So honestly, when you say laughable things like Clarkson is better than Smart, or the Lakers have better scouting than the C's, the applicable response would be...consider the source.

And aren't you the same guy who regularly cites Chad Ford as a reputable source, in addition to your idea of giving Jae Crowder, of all people, a 4 year deal?  So honestly, when you say laughable things like DJ Augustin is a better point guard than Rajon Rondo, or spell Kirk Hinrich's last name as if he was related to heinrich himmler, the applicable response would be...consider the source. We're done here.

I often cite Ford because he's pretty plugged into the NBA draft. However, rest assured that the moment he starts saying ridiculous things like "Clarkson is way better than Rondo" then I'll never use him as a reference again.

I never said Augustin was better than Rondo.

Why wouldn't we want Crowder to a 4 year deal if the price is right?

I was typing off my phone, so perhaps autocorrect took over the catastrophic spelling mishap that occurred. I know that pesky vowel had you confused into thinking I was talking about the third reich.

Ford might be plugged in to the draft, sure, but I wouldn't value the opinion of a guy who has gone back and changed his own draft boards from the past just to make himself look better, or did you miss that story when it was a topic on here? 

Also, you did say that Augustin was better than Rondo, and the spelling thing was just a detail that I found to be amusing.  You should really be more conscious of the things that you say to people, btw.

[Ilikesports17]

I'm obviously biased, but I think Jordan Clarkson should get some strong consideration (PER is better than Wiggins and Noel, and he is generally playing well). Even with that said, I give the award to Mirotic pretty easily. Highest rookie PER, plus is playing on a talented team in meaningful games.

I made a thread about him the other day, as I am certainly impressed, as well.  He's a lot better than Marcus Smart, lol. Ugh.  I do think that he should get strong consideration, though, but my vote would have to be for Wiggins.  I'm also not surprised to see that Jabari Brown has been playing very well, but I am surprised that Roscoe Smith has yet to be called up.  He's like a taller, thinner, version of Jae Crowder mixed with Renaldo Balkman.  Sigh.  Both of those guys should have been Celtics, imo.  You guys obviously have great scouts.  Unfortunately, I can't say the same for us, lol. How's Randle coming along?  I was honestly torn between him and Smart on draft night.

I wish we could give negative TP's.

- Clarkson a lot better than Smart? Really?

- Roscoe Smith, who isn't in the league, is like Crowder, who is in the league, but mixed with Balkman who isn't in the league either. So are you saying he sucks?

- Lakers have great scouts and we don't? Again, really? Since their 20 win team is filled with so much young talent.

As of right now, yes, Clarkson is much better than Smart.  Have you even seen him play or taken the time to look at his numbers, because he's a sick player, imo.  You shouldn't be so dismissive of the guy, btw, especially because he was just named rookie of the month in the WESTERN CONFERENCE, and that's no small feat.

What I meant with the Roscoe Smith comparisons is that, like Crowder, he's an all-effort/hustle guy who obviously plays defense, but I included Balkman in there, too, because Smith is an excellent rebounder, like Balkman is, and both of them are of similar size. 

Finally, in terms of scouting, yes, I would say that they have much better scouts, given that they were able to find a player of Clarkson's caliber at 46.  Okay, so they technically traded for him, but they still identified his talent and went out and got him.

Aren't you also the same guy that just a few months suggested that Rondo is the best PG in the NBA? So honestly, when you say laughable things like Clarkson is better than Smart, or the Lakers have better scouting than the C's, the applicable response would be...consider the source.

And aren't you the same guy who regularly cites Chad Ford as a reputable source, in addition to your idea of giving Jae Crowder, of all people, a 4 year deal?  So honestly, when you say laughable things like DJ Augustin is a better point guard than Rajon Rondo, or spell Kirk Hinrich's last name as if he was related to heinrich himmler, the applicable response would be...consider the source. We're done here.

The things you dismiss as laughable are pretty legit points.
For the last 2 years Augustins been better than Rondo, a four year deal to crowder isn't all that bad oh and he also made a spelling mistake... Death sentence

Lastly do you really think clarkson is better than smart. There is not a single team in the nba who would rather have clarkson moving forward and for this year the only teams that want clarclson over smart are teams trying their hardest to lose games

The lakers are trying harder than anyone else to lose games. 

He had credibility you don't now we are done here.

Wow, you guys are brutal.  I never thought that I'd have to argue that Rondo is better than DJ Augustin.  Now that's laughable, but if that's your view, then fine.  I don't have a problem with people having different opinions. 

As for Crowder, why would you want to give him a 4-year deal?  He's a scrapper, sure, and I like watching him play, but guys like him usually aren't difficult to replace.  Crowder is also the type of player who you typically add to a contender, as he's not a guy to build around, and we don't even have a core yet, lol.

Finally, as I've repeatedly said, yes, I think that Clarkson is better than Smart AS OF RIGHT NOW.  Can that change?  I certainly hope so, lol. I'm not giving up on Smart, but have you even seen Clarkson play, because it's not all about numbers.  The guy is a very intelligent player who plays within himself.  He can get to the basket and score with either hand, and if he's fouled, he actually makes his free throws.  Clarkson also has an automatic midrange game, a pretty good 3-point shot, and he's a very good passer.  When has Smart showed any of these attributes this year?  Hopefully year two will be much better, but he's hard to watch at this point, for the most part - at least, imo.

I really don't care if our opinions differ - it's fine - but just because you agree with someone doesn't mean that they have credibility. I'm terribly sorry if I've angered or upset you, btw, as it was never my intention.  It's not like I'm trying to start a fight here.

Rondo is the better player but you must admit that Augustin's contribution to the Bulls lastyear was greater than any contribution that Rondo has made to anyone since 2012 Im not agreeing with him just not saying that its not out of the question to compare the post ACL rondo to DJ Augustin. That is how bad Rondo has been since the ACL in my oppinion.

Also I actually disagree with him on all his points.

Crowder for me must be on short money or else hes replaceable, Ford is a knucklehead, and Rondo is better than Augustin I just think his pointsare at least reasonable. For me Clarkson over Smart it is not.

[Eddie20]

I'm obviously biased, but I think Jordan Clarkson should get some strong consideration (PER is better than Wiggins and Noel, and he is generally playing well). Even with that said, I give the award to Mirotic pretty easily. Highest rookie PER, plus is playing on a talented team in meaningful games.

I made a thread about him the other day, as I am certainly impressed, as well.  He's a lot better than Marcus Smart, lol. Ugh.  I do think that he should get strong consideration, though, but my vote would have to be for Wiggins.  I'm also not surprised to see that Jabari Brown has been playing very well, but I am surprised that Roscoe Smith has yet to be called up.  He's like a taller, thinner, version of Jae Crowder mixed with Renaldo Balkman.  Sigh.  Both of those guys should have been Celtics, imo.  You guys obviously have great scouts.  Unfortunately, I can't say the same for us, lol. How's Randle coming along?  I was honestly torn between him and Smart on draft night.

I wish we could give negative TP's.

- Clarkson a lot better than Smart? Really?

- Roscoe Smith, who isn't in the league, is like Crowder, who is in the league, but mixed with Balkman who isn't in the league either. So are you saying he sucks?

- Lakers have great scouts and we don't? Again, really? Since their 20 win team is filled with so much young talent.

As of right now, yes, Clarkson is much better than Smart.  Have you even seen him play or taken the time to look at his numbers, because he's a sick player, imo.  You shouldn't be so dismissive of the guy, btw, especially because he was just named rookie of the month in the WESTERN CONFERENCE, and that's no small feat.

What I meant with the Roscoe Smith comparisons is that, like Crowder, he's an all-effort/hustle guy who obviously plays defense, but I included Balkman in there, too, because Smith is an excellent rebounder, like Balkman is, and both of them are of similar size. 

Finally, in terms of scouting, yes, I would say that they have much better scouts, given that they were able to find a player of Clarkson's caliber at 46.  Okay, so they technically traded for him, but they still identified his talent and went out and got him.

Aren't you also the same guy that just a few months suggested that Rondo is the best PG in the NBA? So honestly, when you say laughable things like Clarkson is better than Smart, or the Lakers have better scouting than the C's, the applicable response would be...consider the source.

And aren't you the same guy who regularly cites Chad Ford as a reputable source, in addition to your idea of giving Jae Crowder, of all people, a 4 year deal?  So honestly, when you say laughable things like DJ Augustin is a better point guard than Rajon Rondo, or spell Kirk Hinrich's last name as if he was related to heinrich himmler, the applicable response would be...consider the source. We're done here.

I often cite Ford because he's pretty plugged into the NBA draft. However, rest assured that the moment he starts saying ridiculous things like "Clarkson is way better than Rondo" then I'll never use him as a reference again.

I never said Augustin was better than Rondo.

Why wouldn't we want Crowder to a 4 year deal if the price is right?

I was typing off my phone, so perhaps autocorrect took over the catastrophic spelling mishap that occurred. I know that pesky vowel had you confused into thinking I was talking about the third reich.

Ford might be plugged in to the draft, sure, but I wouldn't value the opinion of a guy who has gone back and changed his own draft boards from the past just to make himself look better, or did you miss that story when it was a topic on here? 

Also, you did say that Augustin was better than Rondo, and the spelling thing was just a detail that I found to be amusing.  You should really be more conscious of the things that you say to people, btw.

Again, never said Augustin was better. Go ahead and try to find that post to support your unsubstantiated claims. Good luck.

[Beat LA]

I'm obviously biased, but I think Jordan Clarkson should get some strong consideration (PER is better than Wiggins and Noel, and he is generally playing well). Even with that said, I give the award to Mirotic pretty easily. Highest rookie PER, plus is playing on a talented team in meaningful games.

I made a thread about him the other day, as I am certainly impressed, as well.  He's a lot better than Marcus Smart, lol. Ugh.  I do think that he should get strong consideration, though, but my vote would have to be for Wiggins.  I'm also not surprised to see that Jabari Brown has been playing very well, but I am surprised that Roscoe Smith has yet to be called up.  He's like a taller, thinner, version of Jae Crowder mixed with Renaldo Balkman.  Sigh.  Both of those guys should have been Celtics, imo.  You guys obviously have great scouts.  Unfortunately, I can't say the same for us, lol. How's Randle coming along?  I was honestly torn between him and Smart on draft night.

I wish we could give negative TP's.

- Clarkson a lot better than Smart? Really?

- Roscoe Smith, who isn't in the league, is like Crowder, who is in the league, but mixed with Balkman who isn't in the league either. So are you saying he sucks?

- Lakers have great scouts and we don't? Again, really? Since their 20 win team is filled with so much young talent.

As of right now, yes, Clarkson is much better than Smart.  Have you even seen him play or taken the time to look at his numbers, because he's a sick player, imo.  You shouldn't be so dismissive of the guy, btw, especially because he was just named rookie of the month in the WESTERN CONFERENCE, and that's no small feat.

What I meant with the Roscoe Smith comparisons is that, like Crowder, he's an all-effort/hustle guy who obviously plays defense, but I included Balkman in there, too, because Smith is an excellent rebounder, like Balkman is, and both of them are of similar size. 

Finally, in terms of scouting, yes, I would say that they have much better scouts, given that they were able to find a player of Clarkson's caliber at 46.  Okay, so they technically traded for him, but they still identified his talent and went out and got him.

Aren't you also the same guy that just a few months suggested that Rondo is the best PG in the NBA? So honestly, when you say laughable things like Clarkson is better than Smart, or the Lakers have better scouting than the C's, the applicable response would be...consider the source.

And aren't you the same guy who regularly cites Chad Ford as a reputable source, in addition to your idea of giving Jae Crowder, of all people, a 4 year deal?  So honestly, when you say laughable things like DJ Augustin is a better point guard than Rajon Rondo, or spell Kirk Hinrich's last name as if he was related to heinrich himmler, the applicable response would be...consider the source. We're done here.

The things you dismiss as laughable are pretty legit points.
For the last 2 years Augustins been better than Rondo, a four year deal to crowder isn't all that bad oh and he also made a spelling mistake... Death sentence

Lastly do you really think clarkson is better than smart. There is not a single team in the nba who would rather have clarkson moving forward and for this year the only teams that want clarclson over smart are teams trying their hardest to lose games

The lakers are trying harder than anyone else to lose games. 

He had credibility you don't now we are done here.

Wow, you guys are brutal.  I never thought that I'd have to argue that Rondo is better than DJ Augustin.  Now that's laughable, but if that's your view, then fine.  I don't have a problem with people having different opinions. 

As for Crowder, why would you want to give him a 4-year deal?  He's a scrapper, sure, and I like watching him play, but guys like him usually aren't difficult to replace.  Crowder is also the type of player who you typically add to a contender, as he's not a guy to build around, and we don't even have a core yet, lol.

Finally, as I've repeatedly said, yes, I think that Clarkson is better than Smart AS OF RIGHT NOW.  Can that change?  I certainly hope so, lol. I'm not giving up on Smart, but have you even seen Clarkson play, because it's not all about numbers.  The guy is a very intelligent player who plays within himself.  He can get to the basket and score with either hand, and if he's fouled, he actually makes his free throws.  Clarkson also has an automatic midrange game, a pretty good 3-point shot, and he's a very good passer.  When has Smart showed any of these attributes this year?  Hopefully year two will be much better, but he's hard to watch at this point, for the most part - at least, imo.

I really don't care if our opinions differ - it's fine - but just because you agree with someone doesn't mean that they have credibility. I'm terribly sorry if I've angered or upset you, btw, as it was never my intention.  It's not like I'm trying to start a fight here.

Rondo is the better player but you must admit that Augustin's contribution to the Bulls lastyear was greater than any contribution that Rondo has made to anyone since 2012 Im not agreeing with him just not saying that its not out of the question to compare the post ACL rondo to DJ Augustin. That is how bad Rondo has been since the ACL in my oppinion.

Also I actually disagree with him on all his points.

Crowder for me must be on short money or else hes replaceable, Ford is a knucklehead, and Rondo is better than Augustin I just think his pointsare at least reasonable. For me Clarkson over Smart it is not.

Look, I'm a huge Rondo fan, and I'll admit that his effort wasn't there when he was with us this year, but comparing him to Augustin is unfair to both players, imo, because they're completely different.  Rondo is a guy who can dominate a game without ever taking a shot, while Augustin is more of a spark-off-the-bench guy, and yes, he was great for Chicago.  I also thought that he was huge for the Pacers in 2013 playoffs, and I'm surprised that he didn't stick there.  He's more comparable, to, say, Aaron Brooks, imo, as both guys are short, quick, fast, and more of a shooter/scorer than a traditional point guard.  Is that fair?  Their roles are different, as well.  For Rondo, it was pushing the pace and getting everyone involved, while Augustin was really the 4th option, offensively, on a contender in Chicago, who really only had to defend and shoot, as Noah plays the point guard role for them, lol.  I'm not taking away from his accomplishments, I'm just saying that the circumstances were different.  He was a great pickup for the Bulls, though, no doubt about that.  Anyway, that's how I look at the situation, but everyone's different, and that's okay. Do you at least see where I'm coming from, though?

As for the rest, I agree on Crowder and Ford, and it's fine that you disagree about Clarkson.  I guess that, just like comparing Rondo and Augustin, the circumstances are different, and I do believe that Smart can be betterdown the road, but as of right now, I honestly think that Clarkson bests him, especially in terms of shooting.  I know that you're rolling your eyes right now, lol , but would you mind at least looking at a few of these clips of his best games?  He's a terrific young player - probably the steal of the draft.  I suspect that you'll still disagree, and that's okay , I just want you to see a bit of him in action before you dismiss him completely, all right?  Anyway, here they are.  I'm only going to post the videos of him going up against the best, btw, because watching his great game against the 76ers probably isn't exactly the same as doing the same against the Grizzlies, OKC, Chicago, or Portland.  Can I at least say that I'd rather have him than Pressey, lol?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKtg5gHj2sI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAj7XtlkabE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGtB08TQRTY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqy_ptKWYuQ


   

[Beat LA]

I'm obviously biased, but I think Jordan Clarkson should get some strong consideration (PER is better than Wiggins and Noel, and he is generally playing well). Even with that said, I give the award to Mirotic pretty easily. Highest rookie PER, plus is playing on a talented team in meaningful games.

I made a thread about him the other day, as I am certainly impressed, as well.  He's a lot better than Marcus Smart, lol. Ugh.  I do think that he should get strong consideration, though, but my vote would have to be for Wiggins.  I'm also not surprised to see that Jabari Brown has been playing very well, but I am surprised that Roscoe Smith has yet to be called up.  He's like a taller, thinner, version of Jae Crowder mixed with Renaldo Balkman.  Sigh.  Both of those guys should have been Celtics, imo.  You guys obviously have great scouts.  Unfortunately, I can't say the same for us, lol. How's Randle coming along?  I was honestly torn between him and Smart on draft night.

I wish we could give negative TP's.

- Clarkson a lot better than Smart? Really?

- Roscoe Smith, who isn't in the league, is like Crowder, who is in the league, but mixed with Balkman who isn't in the league either. So are you saying he sucks?

- Lakers have great scouts and we don't? Again, really? Since their 20 win team is filled with so much young talent.

As of right now, yes, Clarkson is much better than Smart.  Have you even seen him play or taken the time to look at his numbers, because he's a sick player, imo.  You shouldn't be so dismissive of the guy, btw, especially because he was just named rookie of the month in the WESTERN CONFERENCE, and that's no small feat.

What I meant with the Roscoe Smith comparisons is that, like Crowder, he's an all-effort/hustle guy who obviously plays defense, but I included Balkman in there, too, because Smith is an excellent rebounder, like Balkman is, and both of them are of similar size. 

Finally, in terms of scouting, yes, I would say that they have much better scouts, given that they were able to find a player of Clarkson's caliber at 46.  Okay, so they technically traded for him, but they still identified his talent and went out and got him.

Aren't you also the same guy that just a few months suggested that Rondo is the best PG in the NBA? So honestly, when you say laughable things like Clarkson is better than Smart, or the Lakers have better scouting than the C's, the applicable response would be...consider the source.

And aren't you the same guy who regularly cites Chad Ford as a reputable source, in addition to your idea of giving Jae Crowder, of all people, a 4 year deal?  So honestly, when you say laughable things like DJ Augustin is a better point guard than Rajon Rondo, or spell Kirk Hinrich's last name as if he was related to heinrich himmler, the applicable response would be...consider the source. We're done here.

I often cite Ford because he's pretty plugged into the NBA draft. However, rest assured that the moment he starts saying ridiculous things like "Clarkson is way better than Rondo" then I'll never use him as a reference again.

I never said Augustin was better than Rondo.

Why wouldn't we want Crowder to a 4 year deal if the price is right?

I was typing off my phone, so perhaps autocorrect took over the catastrophic spelling mishap that occurred. I know that pesky vowel had you confused into thinking I was talking about the third reich.

Ford might be plugged in to the draft, sure, but I wouldn't value the opinion of a guy who has gone back and changed his own draft boards from the past just to make himself look better, or did you miss that story when it was a topic on here? 

Also, you did say that Augustin was better than Rondo, and the spelling thing was just a detail that I found to be amusing.  You should really be more conscious of the things that you say to people, btw.

Again, never said Augustin was better. Go ahead and try to find that post to support your unsubstantiated claims. Good luck.

No problem.  To quote you, "Rondo is not better than either Dragic or Augustin yet the Mavs paid the highest price for him."  Here's the link to the post that you claim doesn't exist - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=76638.msg1837005#msg1837005 - and here's the quote, just for good measure, so that everyone can see that I'm not making any of this up:

Yeah.  Very unlikely he remains there after this season.  Mavs took a gamble and it failed.  Luckily all it cost them was some role players and a late 1st.

You're acting that the end result of this trade is set in stone.  With how strong the west is, Dirk being 37 next year, the Mavs potentially looking again for a starting PG, this pick has a chance of being in the middle of the 1st round maybe even better. 

The end result of the Pierce trade exemption was Zeller and Thomas.  We still have the Rondo TE to play with.

Agreed. LarBrd33 is off the mark.

The pick has a strong chance of being a lottery pick in the west, we were able to get two likely high 2nd picks in the Wright deal, a young 3 and D guy (Crowder) that could be part of our team longterm depending on cost, and have a 12.9M trade exception (larger than the Pierce one).

For comparison, this was the price for the following players:

Dragic

1st rd picks- 2017 & 2021
Granger (who the Heat were dying to trade)

Jackson

2nd rd pick 2017
Singler
Augustin


Rondo is not better than either Dragic or Augustin yet the Mavs paid the highest price for him. Granted, maybe the Suns and Thunder wouldn't have sent those players to another Western conference team, but the return for Rondo should never be in question.

[jpotter33]

I'm obviously biased, but I think Jordan Clarkson should get some strong consideration (PER is better than Wiggins and Noel, and he is generally playing well). Even with that said, I give the award to Mirotic pretty easily. Highest rookie PER, plus is playing on a talented team in meaningful games.

I made a thread about him the other day, as I am certainly impressed, as well.  He's a lot better than Marcus Smart, lol. Ugh.  I do think that he should get strong consideration, though, but my vote would have to be for Wiggins.  I'm also not surprised to see that Jabari Brown has been playing very well, but I am surprised that Roscoe Smith has yet to be called up.  He's like a taller, thinner, version of Jae Crowder mixed with Renaldo Balkman.  Sigh.  Both of those guys should have been Celtics, imo.  You guys obviously have great scouts.  Unfortunately, I can't say the same for us, lol. How's Randle coming along?  I was honestly torn between him and Smart on draft night.

I wish we could give negative TP's.

- Clarkson a lot better than Smart? Really?

- Roscoe Smith, who isn't in the league, is like Crowder, who is in the league, but mixed with Balkman who isn't in the league either. So are you saying he sucks?

- Lakers have great scouts and we don't? Again, really? Since their 20 win team is filled with so much young talent.

As of right now, yes, Clarkson is much better than Smart.  Have you even seen him play or taken the time to look at his numbers, because he's a sick player, imo.  You shouldn't be so dismissive of the guy, btw, especially because he was just named rookie of the month in the WESTERN CONFERENCE, and that's no small feat.

What I meant with the Roscoe Smith comparisons is that, like Crowder, he's an all-effort/hustle guy who obviously plays defense, but I included Balkman in there, too, because Smith is an excellent rebounder, like Balkman is, and both of them are of similar size. 

Finally, in terms of scouting, yes, I would say that they have much better scouts, given that they were able to find a player of Clarkson's caliber at 46.  Okay, so they technically traded for him, but they still identified his talent and went out and got him.

Aren't you also the same guy that just a few months suggested that Rondo is the best PG in the NBA? So honestly, when you say laughable things like Clarkson is better than Smart, or the Lakers have better scouting than the C's, the applicable response would be...consider the source.

And aren't you the same guy who regularly cites Chad Ford as a reputable source, in addition to your idea of giving Jae Crowder, of all people, a 4 year deal?  So honestly, when you say laughable things like DJ Augustin is a better point guard than Rajon Rondo, or spell Kirk Hinrich's last name as if he was related to heinrich himmler, the applicable response would be...consider the source. We're done here.

The things you dismiss as laughable are pretty legit points.
For the last 2 years Augustins been better than Rondo, a four year deal to crowder isn't all that bad oh and he also made a spelling mistake... Death sentence

Lastly do you really think clarkson is better than smart. There is not a single team in the nba who would rather have clarkson moving forward and for this year the only teams that want clarclson over smart are teams trying their hardest to lose games

The lakers are trying harder than anyone else to lose games. 

He had credibility you don't now we are done here.

Wow, you guys are brutal.  I never thought that I'd have to argue that Rondo is better than DJ Augustin.  Now that's laughable, but if that's your view, then fine.  I don't have a problem with people having different opinions. 

As for Crowder, why would you want to give him a 4-year deal?  He's a scrapper, sure, and I like watching him play, but guys like him usually aren't difficult to replace.  Crowder is also the type of player who you typically add to a contender, as he's not a guy to build around, and we don't even have a core yet, lol.

Finally, as I've repeatedly said, yes, I think that Clarkson is better than Smart AS OF RIGHT NOW.  Can that change?  I certainly hope so, lol. I'm not giving up on Smart, but have you even seen Clarkson play, because it's not all about numbers.  The guy is a very intelligent player who plays within himself.  He can get to the basket and score with either hand, and if he's fouled, he actually makes his free throws.  Clarkson also has an automatic midrange game, a pretty good 3-point shot, and he's a very good passer.  When has Smart showed any of these attributes this year?  Hopefully year two will be much better, but he's hard to watch at this point, for the most part - at least, imo.

I really don't care if our opinions differ - it's fine - but just because you agree with someone doesn't mean that they have credibility. I'm terribly sorry if I've angered or upset you, btw, as it was never my intention.  It's not like I'm trying to start a fight here.

Rondo is the better player but you must admit that Augustin's contribution to the Bulls lastyear was greater than any contribution that Rondo has made to anyone since 2012 Im not agreeing with him just not saying that its not out of the question to compare the post ACL rondo to DJ Augustin. That is how bad Rondo has been since the ACL in my oppinion.

Also I actually disagree with him on all his points.

Crowder for me must be on short money or else hes replaceable, Ford is a knucklehead, and Rondo is better than Augustin I just think his pointsare at least reasonable. For me Clarkson over Smart it is not.

Look, I'm a huge Rondo fan, and I'll admit that his effort wasn't there when he was with us this year, but comparing him to Augustin is unfair to both players, imo, because they're completely different.  Rondo is a guy who can dominate a game without ever taking a shot, while Augustin is more of a spark-off-the-bench guy, and yes, he was great for Chicago.  I also thought that he was huge for the Pacers in 2013 playoffs, and I'm surprised that he didn't stick there.  He's more comparable, to, say, Aaron Brooks, imo, as both guys are short, quick, fast, and more of a shooter/scorer than a traditional point guard.  Is that fair?  Their roles are different, as well.  For Rondo, it was pushing the pace and getting everyone involved, while Augustin was really the 4th option, offensively, on a contender in Chicago, who really only had to defend and shoot, as Noah plays the point guard role for them, lol.  I'm not taking away from his accomplishments, I'm just saying that the circumstances were different.  He was a great pickup for the Bulls, though, no doubt about that.  Anyway, that's how I look at the situation, but everyone's different, and that's okay. Do you at least see where I'm coming from, though?

As for the rest, I agree on Crowder and Ford, and it's fine that you disagree about Clarkson. I guess that, just like comparing Rondo and Augustin, the circumstances are different, and I do believe that Smart can be betterdown the road, but as of right now, I honestly think that Clarkson bests him, especially in terms of shooting. I know that you're rolling your eyes right now, lol , but would you mind at least looking at a few of these clips of his best games?  He's a terrific young player - probably the steal of the draft.  I suspect that you'll still disagree, and that's okay , I just want you to see a bit of him in action before you dismiss him completely, all right?  Anyway, here they are.  I'm only going to post the videos of him going up against the best, btw, because watching his great game against the 76ers probably isn't exactly the same as doing the same against the Grizzlies, OKC, Chicago, or Portland.  Can I at least say that I'd rather have him than Pressey, lol?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKtg5gHj2sI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAj7XtlkabE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGtB08TQRTY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqy_ptKWYuQ


   

Is he recently playing better or something? Because his stats do not say he's better than Smart in any regard other than 3 ppg more.

                MPG     FG%   3P%     FT%   RPG     APG   BLKPG   STLPG   TOPG   PPG

Clarkson: 23.6     .453   .320     .824   3.2     3.2        0.2            0.7            1.5           11.2

Smart: 26.7      .362       .332   .658       3.4     3.1          0.2          1.4           1.4          7.7

Those are pretty similar stats, and outside of ft% the only major differences (FG%, PPG) can be explained by Smart shooting over twice as many 3's per game than Clarkson (at a higher clip, too) and Clarkson being a much bigger part of the Lakers' offense. Smart is legitimately the fifth option of the starters, because that's just how he's been utilized in Stevens' offense. Also, I can't say personally since I haven't watched much Clarkson, but I'd venture to say that Smart is quite a bit better than him on the defensive side of the ball. I'll give you that he's probably a better shooter overall due to their free throw percentages, and I'll also give you that he probably has better shot selection than Smart, though I still wonder how much of that is due to the coaching staff. But are his numbers skewed by a poor start or something? Because the stats aren't saying that he's that much different offensively than Smart, with Smart also having his wizardry on the defensive side of the ball.

[Eddie20]

I'm obviously biased, but I think Jordan Clarkson should get some strong consideration (PER is better than Wiggins and Noel, and he is generally playing well). Even with that said, I give the award to Mirotic pretty easily. Highest rookie PER, plus is playing on a talented team in meaningful games.

I made a thread about him the other day, as I am certainly impressed, as well.  He's a lot better than Marcus Smart, lol. Ugh.  I do think that he should get strong consideration, though, but my vote would have to be for Wiggins.  I'm also not surprised to see that Jabari Brown has been playing very well, but I am surprised that Roscoe Smith has yet to be called up.  He's like a taller, thinner, version of Jae Crowder mixed with Renaldo Balkman.  Sigh.  Both of those guys should have been Celtics, imo.  You guys obviously have great scouts.  Unfortunately, I can't say the same for us, lol. How's Randle coming along?  I was honestly torn between him and Smart on draft night.

I wish we could give negative TP's.

- Clarkson a lot better than Smart? Really?

- Roscoe Smith, who isn't in the league, is like Crowder, who is in the league, but mixed with Balkman who isn't in the league either. So are you saying he sucks?

- Lakers have great scouts and we don't? Again, really? Since their 20 win team is filled with so much young talent.

As of right now, yes, Clarkson is much better than Smart.  Have you even seen him play or taken the time to look at his numbers, because he's a sick player, imo.  You shouldn't be so dismissive of the guy, btw, especially because he was just named rookie of the month in the WESTERN CONFERENCE, and that's no small feat.

What I meant with the Roscoe Smith comparisons is that, like Crowder, he's an all-effort/hustle guy who obviously plays defense, but I included Balkman in there, too, because Smith is an excellent rebounder, like Balkman is, and both of them are of similar size. 

Finally, in terms of scouting, yes, I would say that they have much better scouts, given that they were able to find a player of Clarkson's caliber at 46.  Okay, so they technically traded for him, but they still identified his talent and went out and got him.

Aren't you also the same guy that just a few months suggested that Rondo is the best PG in the NBA? So honestly, when you say laughable things like Clarkson is better than Smart, or the Lakers have better scouting than the C's, the applicable response would be...consider the source.

And aren't you the same guy who regularly cites Chad Ford as a reputable source, in addition to your idea of giving Jae Crowder, of all people, a 4 year deal?  So honestly, when you say laughable things like DJ Augustin is a better point guard than Rajon Rondo, or spell Kirk Hinrich's last name as if he was related to heinrich himmler, the applicable response would be...consider the source. We're done here.

I often cite Ford because he's pretty plugged into the NBA draft. However, rest assured that the moment he starts saying ridiculous things like "Clarkson is way better than Rondo" then I'll never use him as a reference again.

I never said Augustin was better than Rondo.

Why wouldn't we want Crowder to a 4 year deal if the price is right?

I was typing off my phone, so perhaps autocorrect took over the catastrophic spelling mishap that occurred. I know that pesky vowel had you confused into thinking I was talking about the third reich.

Ford might be plugged in to the draft, sure, but I wouldn't value the opinion of a guy who has gone back and changed his own draft boards from the past just to make himself look better, or did you miss that story when it was a topic on here? 

Also, you did say that Augustin was better than Rondo, and the spelling thing was just a detail that I found to be amusing.  You should really be more conscious of the things that you say to people, btw.

Again, never said Augustin was better. Go ahead and try to find that post to support your unsubstantiated claims. Good luck.

No problem.  To quote you, "Rondo is not better than either Dragic or Augustin yet the Mavs paid the highest price for him."  Here's the link to the post that you claim doesn't exist - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=76638.msg1837005#msg1837005 - and here's the quote, just for good measure, so that everyone can see that I'm not making any of this up:

Yeah.  Very unlikely he remains there after this season.  Mavs took a gamble and it failed.  Luckily all it cost them was some role players and a late 1st.

You're acting that the end result of this trade is set in stone.  With how strong the west is, Dirk being 37 next year, the Mavs potentially looking again for a starting PG, this pick has a chance of being in the middle of the 1st round maybe even better. 

The end result of the Pierce trade exemption was Zeller and Thomas.  We still have the Rondo TE to play with.

Agreed. LarBrd33 is off the mark.

The pick has a strong chance of being a lottery pick in the west, we were able to get two likely high 2nd picks in the Wright deal, a young 3 and D guy (Crowder) that could be part of our team longterm depending on cost, and have a 12.9M trade exception (larger than the Pierce one).

For comparison, this was the price for the following players:

Dragic

1st rd picks- 2017 & 2021
Granger (who the Heat were dying to trade)

Jackson

2nd rd pick 2017
Singler
Augustin


Rondo is not better than either Dragic or Augustin yet the Mavs paid the highest price for him. Granted, maybe the Suns and Thunder wouldn't have sent those players to another Western conference team, but the return for Rondo should never be in question.

That was about Dragic and Jackson and the price those teams paid to get them, which is why I underlined both their names and included the packages traded for both players. It's a typo in putting Augustin, which is pretty obvious when you read the post. And yes, Rondo is not better than either Dragic or Jackson.

[Beat LA]

I'm obviously biased, but I think Jordan Clarkson should get some strong consideration (PER is better than Wiggins and Noel, and he is generally playing well). Even with that said, I give the award to Mirotic pretty easily. Highest rookie PER, plus is playing on a talented team in meaningful games.

I made a thread about him the other day, as I am certainly impressed, as well.  He's a lot better than Marcus Smart, lol. Ugh.  I do think that he should get strong consideration, though, but my vote would have to be for Wiggins.  I'm also not surprised to see that Jabari Brown has been playing very well, but I am surprised that Roscoe Smith has yet to be called up.  He's like a taller, thinner, version of Jae Crowder mixed with Renaldo Balkman.  Sigh.  Both of those guys should have been Celtics, imo.  You guys obviously have great scouts.  Unfortunately, I can't say the same for us, lol. How's Randle coming along?  I was honestly torn between him and Smart on draft night.

I wish we could give negative TP's.

- Clarkson a lot better than Smart? Really?

- Roscoe Smith, who isn't in the league, is like Crowder, who is in the league, but mixed with Balkman who isn't in the league either. So are you saying he sucks?

- Lakers have great scouts and we don't? Again, really? Since their 20 win team is filled with so much young talent.

As of right now, yes, Clarkson is much better than Smart.  Have you even seen him play or taken the time to look at his numbers, because he's a sick player, imo.  You shouldn't be so dismissive of the guy, btw, especially because he was just named rookie of the month in the WESTERN CONFERENCE, and that's no small feat.

What I meant with the Roscoe Smith comparisons is that, like Crowder, he's an all-effort/hustle guy who obviously plays defense, but I included Balkman in there, too, because Smith is an excellent rebounder, like Balkman is, and both of them are of similar size. 

Finally, in terms of scouting, yes, I would say that they have much better scouts, given that they were able to find a player of Clarkson's caliber at 46.  Okay, so they technically traded for him, but they still identified his talent and went out and got him.

Aren't you also the same guy that just a few months suggested that Rondo is the best PG in the NBA? So honestly, when you say laughable things like Clarkson is better than Smart, or the Lakers have better scouting than the C's, the applicable response would be...consider the source.

And aren't you the same guy who regularly cites Chad Ford as a reputable source, in addition to your idea of giving Jae Crowder, of all people, a 4 year deal?  So honestly, when you say laughable things like DJ Augustin is a better point guard than Rajon Rondo, or spell Kirk Hinrich's last name as if he was related to heinrich himmler, the applicable response would be...consider the source. We're done here.

The things you dismiss as laughable are pretty legit points.
For the last 2 years Augustins been better than Rondo, a four year deal to crowder isn't all that bad oh and he also made a spelling mistake... Death sentence

Lastly do you really think clarkson is better than smart. There is not a single team in the nba who would rather have clarkson moving forward and for this year the only teams that want clarclson over smart are teams trying their hardest to lose games

The lakers are trying harder than anyone else to lose games. 

He had credibility you don't now we are done here.

Wow, you guys are brutal.  I never thought that I'd have to argue that Rondo is better than DJ Augustin.  Now that's laughable, but if that's your view, then fine.  I don't have a problem with people having different opinions. 

As for Crowder, why would you want to give him a 4-year deal?  He's a scrapper, sure, and I like watching him play, but guys like him usually aren't difficult to replace.  Crowder is also the type of player who you typically add to a contender, as he's not a guy to build around, and we don't even have a core yet, lol.

Finally, as I've repeatedly said, yes, I think that Clarkson is better than Smart AS OF RIGHT NOW.  Can that change?  I certainly hope so, lol. I'm not giving up on Smart, but have you even seen Clarkson play, because it's not all about numbers.  The guy is a very intelligent player who plays within himself.  He can get to the basket and score with either hand, and if he's fouled, he actually makes his free throws.  Clarkson also has an automatic midrange game, a pretty good 3-point shot, and he's a very good passer.  When has Smart showed any of these attributes this year?  Hopefully year two will be much better, but he's hard to watch at this point, for the most part - at least, imo.

I really don't care if our opinions differ - it's fine - but just because you agree with someone doesn't mean that they have credibility. I'm terribly sorry if I've angered or upset you, btw, as it was never my intention.  It's not like I'm trying to start a fight here.

Rondo is the better player but you must admit that Augustin's contribution to the Bulls lastyear was greater than any contribution that Rondo has made to anyone since 2012 Im not agreeing with him just not saying that its not out of the question to compare the post ACL rondo to DJ Augustin. That is how bad Rondo has been since the ACL in my oppinion.

Also I actually disagree with him on all his points.

Crowder for me must be on short money or else hes replaceable, Ford is a knucklehead, and Rondo is better than Augustin I just think his pointsare at least reasonable. For me Clarkson over Smart it is not.

Look, I'm a huge Rondo fan, and I'll admit that his effort wasn't there when he was with us this year, but comparing him to Augustin is unfair to both players, imo, because they're completely different.  Rondo is a guy who can dominate a game without ever taking a shot, while Augustin is more of a spark-off-the-bench guy, and yes, he was great for Chicago.  I also thought that he was huge for the Pacers in 2013 playoffs, and I'm surprised that he didn't stick there.  He's more comparable, to, say, Aaron Brooks, imo, as both guys are short, quick, fast, and more of a shooter/scorer than a traditional point guard.  Is that fair?  Their roles are different, as well.  For Rondo, it was pushing the pace and getting everyone involved, while Augustin was really the 4th option, offensively, on a contender in Chicago, who really only had to defend and shoot, as Noah plays the point guard role for them, lol.  I'm not taking away from his accomplishments, I'm just saying that the circumstances were different.  He was a great pickup for the Bulls, though, no doubt about that.  Anyway, that's how I look at the situation, but everyone's different, and that's okay. Do you at least see where I'm coming from, though?

As for the rest, I agree on Crowder and Ford, and it's fine that you disagree about Clarkson. I guess that, just like comparing Rondo and Augustin, the circumstances are different, and I do believe that Smart can be betterdown the road, but as of right now, I honestly think that Clarkson bests him, especially in terms of shooting. I know that you're rolling your eyes right now, lol , but would you mind at least looking at a few of these clips of his best games?  He's a terrific young player - probably the steal of the draft.  I suspect that you'll still disagree, and that's okay , I just want you to see a bit of him in action before you dismiss him completely, all right?  Anyway, here they are.  I'm only going to post the videos of him going up against the best, btw, because watching his great game against the 76ers probably isn't exactly the same as doing the same against the Grizzlies, OKC, Chicago, or Portland.  Can I at least say that I'd rather have him than Pressey, lol?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKtg5gHj2sI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAj7XtlkabE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGtB08TQRTY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqy_ptKWYuQ


   

Is he recently playing better or something? Because his stats do not say he's better than Smart in any regard other than 3 ppg more.

                MPG     FG%   3P%     FT%   RPG     APG   BLKPG   STLPG   TOPG   PPG

Clarkson: 23.6     .453   .320     .824   3.2     3.2        0.2            0.7            1.5           11.2

Smart: 26.7      .362       .332   .658       3.4     3.1          0.2          1.4           1.4          7.7

Those are pretty similar stats, and outside of ft% the only major differences (FG%, PPG) can be explained by Smart shooting over twice as many 3's per game than Clarkson (at a higher clip, too) and Clarkson being a much bigger part of the Lakers' offense. Smart is legitimately the fifth option of the starters, because that's just how he's been utilized in Stevens' offense. Also, I can't say personally since I haven't watched much Clarkson, but I'd venture to say that Smart is quite a bit better than him on the defensive side of the ball. I'll give you that he's probably a better shooter overall due to their free throw percentages, and I'll also give you that he probably has better shot selection than Smart, though I still wonder how much of that is due to the coaching staff. But are his numbers skewed by a poor start or something? Because the stats aren't saying that he's that much different offensively than Smart, with Smart also having his wizardry on the defensive side of the ball.

Yes, he is.  In fact he was just named rookie of the month in the western conference, which has to mean something.  He did have a bad game last night, but how can you look at the disparity in field goal and free throw shooting and say that Smart is better than Clarkson in that regard?  It's not even remotely close in terms of overall fg%.  Is Smart the better defender?  Yes, but where else does he best Clarkson?  Smart can't even get to the basket, let alone score in the paint, so until he improves in that department it's not even up for debate, imo.  Did you watch any of the clips?  The guy has been great against the best teams, and point guards, in the league - that has to count for something.

Now, in fairness to Smart, could his atrocious shooting percentages, free throws aside, be attributed to the offensive philosophy of the coaching staff?  I guess, but if that's the case, why not just let the guy shoot from midrange like he did in college and tell him to work on his 3-point shooting over the summer?  I don't mind them trying to turn him into a better shooter from downtown, but at some point they should have tried adapting to him, and not the other way around, but that's a matter of opinion.  Also, I'd encourage you to watch as many videos of Clarkson as you want, because Smart is nowhere near him offensively.  Seriously, it's not even close.  All Smart ever does is chuck threes or coughs up the ball whenever he even tries to get to the basket.  Is there no in-between game, because if that's the case, then it's a pretty extreme strategy on the part of the coaching staff, but again, that's my opinion. 

I realize that Smart is more of an intangibles player, but at some point he has to string a couple of good games together and actually contribute meaningful stats to the box score.  As of right now, he'll score 20 points and then not hit double figures for the next week (or at least it seems that way, lol.  Ugh), which is simply unfathomable to me.  I suppose that this is a matter of opinion regarding offensive philosophy, but would you rather have a point guard take 12 of his 14 shots as 3s as opposed to only attempting 4 free throws, or would you prefer him to take 4 3s and 12 free throws?  Oh wait, never mind, Smart can't get to the basket, so that hypothetical scenario isn't even a realistic expectation.  Ugh.  I'm sorry, I'm not mad at you or anything, it's just that I find Smart's offensive contributions to be, well, incredibly frustrating.  At times, it's like he isn't even on the court.  Sigh.  I'm not giving up on him, but his rookie campaign has hardly given me hope for the future, and as much as everyone lauds his defense, at some point you do actually have to be able to score to beat your opponent.

[Beat LA]

I'm obviously biased, but I think Jordan Clarkson should get some strong consideration (PER is better than Wiggins and Noel, and he is generally playing well). Even with that said, I give the award to Mirotic pretty easily. Highest rookie PER, plus is playing on a talented team in meaningful games.

I made a thread about him the other day, as I am certainly impressed, as well.  He's a lot better than Marcus Smart, lol. Ugh.  I do think that he should get strong consideration, though, but my vote would have to be for Wiggins.  I'm also not surprised to see that Jabari Brown has been playing very well, but I am surprised that Roscoe Smith has yet to be called up.  He's like a taller, thinner, version of Jae Crowder mixed with Renaldo Balkman.  Sigh.  Both of those guys should have been Celtics, imo.  You guys obviously have great scouts.  Unfortunately, I can't say the same for us, lol. How's Randle coming along?  I was honestly torn between him and Smart on draft night.

I wish we could give negative TP's.

- Clarkson a lot better than Smart? Really?

- Roscoe Smith, who isn't in the league, is like Crowder, who is in the league, but mixed with Balkman who isn't in the league either. So are you saying he sucks?

- Lakers have great scouts and we don't? Again, really? Since their 20 win team is filled with so much young talent.

As of right now, yes, Clarkson is much better than Smart.  Have you even seen him play or taken the time to look at his numbers, because he's a sick player, imo.  You shouldn't be so dismissive of the guy, btw, especially because he was just named rookie of the month in the WESTERN CONFERENCE, and that's no small feat.

What I meant with the Roscoe Smith comparisons is that, like Crowder, he's an all-effort/hustle guy who obviously plays defense, but I included Balkman in there, too, because Smith is an excellent rebounder, like Balkman is, and both of them are of similar size. 

Finally, in terms of scouting, yes, I would say that they have much better scouts, given that they were able to find a player of Clarkson's caliber at 46.  Okay, so they technically traded for him, but they still identified his talent and went out and got him.

Aren't you also the same guy that just a few months suggested that Rondo is the best PG in the NBA? So honestly, when you say laughable things like Clarkson is better than Smart, or the Lakers have better scouting than the C's, the applicable response would be...consider the source.

And aren't you the same guy who regularly cites Chad Ford as a reputable source, in addition to your idea of giving Jae Crowder, of all people, a 4 year deal?  So honestly, when you say laughable things like DJ Augustin is a better point guard than Rajon Rondo, or spell Kirk Hinrich's last name as if he was related to heinrich himmler, the applicable response would be...consider the source. We're done here.

I often cite Ford because he's pretty plugged into the NBA draft. However, rest assured that the moment he starts saying ridiculous things like "Clarkson is way better than Rondo" then I'll never use him as a reference again.

I never said Augustin was better than Rondo.

Why wouldn't we want Crowder to a 4 year deal if the price is right?

I was typing off my phone, so perhaps autocorrect took over the catastrophic spelling mishap that occurred. I know that pesky vowel had you confused into thinking I was talking about the third reich.

Ford might be plugged in to the draft, sure, but I wouldn't value the opinion of a guy who has gone back and changed his own draft boards from the past just to make himself look better, or did you miss that story when it was a topic on here? 

Also, you did say that Augustin was better than Rondo, and the spelling thing was just a detail that I found to be amusing.  You should really be more conscious of the things that you say to people, btw.

Again, never said Augustin was better. Go ahead and try to find that post to support your unsubstantiated claims. Good luck.

No problem.  To quote you, "Rondo is not better than either Dragic or Augustin yet the Mavs paid the highest price for him."  Here's the link to the post that you claim doesn't exist - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=76638.msg1837005#msg1837005 - and here's the quote, just for good measure, so that everyone can see that I'm not making any of this up:

Yeah.  Very unlikely he remains there after this season.  Mavs took a gamble and it failed.  Luckily all it cost them was some role players and a late 1st.

You're acting that the end result of this trade is set in stone.  With how strong the west is, Dirk being 37 next year, the Mavs potentially looking again for a starting PG, this pick has a chance of being in the middle of the 1st round maybe even better. 

The end result of the Pierce trade exemption was Zeller and Thomas.  We still have the Rondo TE to play with.

Agreed. LarBrd33 is off the mark.

The pick has a strong chance of being a lottery pick in the west, we were able to get two likely high 2nd picks in the Wright deal, a young 3 and D guy (Crowder) that could be part of our team longterm depending on cost, and have a 12.9M trade exception (larger than the Pierce one).

For comparison, this was the price for the following players:

Dragic

1st rd picks- 2017 & 2021
Granger (who the Heat were dying to trade)

Jackson

2nd rd pick 2017
Singler
Augustin


Rondo is not better than either Dragic or Augustin yet the Mavs paid the highest price for him. Granted, maybe the Suns and Thunder wouldn't have sent those players to another Western conference team, but the return for Rondo should never be in question.

That was about Dragic and Jackson and the price those teams paid to get them, which is why I underlined both their names and included the packages traded for both players. It's a typo in putting Augustin, which is pretty obvious when you read the post. And yes, Rondo is not better than either Dragic or Jackson.

Nice try.  

[Eddie20]

I'm obviously biased, but I think Jordan Clarkson should get some strong consideration (PER is better than Wiggins and Noel, and he is generally playing well). Even with that said, I give the award to Mirotic pretty easily. Highest rookie PER, plus is playing on a talented team in meaningful games.

I made a thread about him the other day, as I am certainly impressed, as well.  He's a lot better than Marcus Smart, lol. Ugh.  I do think that he should get strong consideration, though, but my vote would have to be for Wiggins.  I'm also not surprised to see that Jabari Brown has been playing very well, but I am surprised that Roscoe Smith has yet to be called up.  He's like a taller, thinner, version of Jae Crowder mixed with Renaldo Balkman.  Sigh.  Both of those guys should have been Celtics, imo.  You guys obviously have great scouts.  Unfortunately, I can't say the same for us, lol. How's Randle coming along?  I was honestly torn between him and Smart on draft night.

I wish we could give negative TP's.

- Clarkson a lot better than Smart? Really?

- Roscoe Smith, who isn't in the league, is like Crowder, who is in the league, but mixed with Balkman who isn't in the league either. So are you saying he sucks?

- Lakers have great scouts and we don't? Again, really? Since their 20 win team is filled with so much young talent.

As of right now, yes, Clarkson is much better than Smart.  Have you even seen him play or taken the time to look at his numbers, because he's a sick player, imo.  You shouldn't be so dismissive of the guy, btw, especially because he was just named rookie of the month in the WESTERN CONFERENCE, and that's no small feat.

What I meant with the Roscoe Smith comparisons is that, like Crowder, he's an all-effort/hustle guy who obviously plays defense, but I included Balkman in there, too, because Smith is an excellent rebounder, like Balkman is, and both of them are of similar size. 

Finally, in terms of scouting, yes, I would say that they have much better scouts, given that they were able to find a player of Clarkson's caliber at 46.  Okay, so they technically traded for him, but they still identified his talent and went out and got him.

Aren't you also the same guy that just a few months suggested that Rondo is the best PG in the NBA? So honestly, when you say laughable things like Clarkson is better than Smart, or the Lakers have better scouting than the C's, the applicable response would be...consider the source.

And aren't you the same guy who regularly cites Chad Ford as a reputable source, in addition to your idea of giving Jae Crowder, of all people, a 4 year deal?  So honestly, when you say laughable things like DJ Augustin is a better point guard than Rajon Rondo, or spell Kirk Hinrich's last name as if he was related to heinrich himmler, the applicable response would be...consider the source. We're done here.

I often cite Ford because he's pretty plugged into the NBA draft. However, rest assured that the moment he starts saying ridiculous things like "Clarkson is way better than Rondo" then I'll never use him as a reference again.

I never said Augustin was better than Rondo.

Why wouldn't we want Crowder to a 4 year deal if the price is right?

I was typing off my phone, so perhaps autocorrect took over the catastrophic spelling mishap that occurred. I know that pesky vowel had you confused into thinking I was talking about the third reich.

Ford might be plugged in to the draft, sure, but I wouldn't value the opinion of a guy who has gone back and changed his own draft boards from the past just to make himself look better, or did you miss that story when it was a topic on here? 

Also, you did say that Augustin was better than Rondo, and the spelling thing was just a detail that I found to be amusing.  You should really be more conscious of the things that you say to people, btw.

Again, never said Augustin was better. Go ahead and try to find that post to support your unsubstantiated claims. Good luck.

No problem.  To quote you, "Rondo is not better than either Dragic or Augustin yet the Mavs paid the highest price for him."  Here's the link to the post that you claim doesn't exist - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=76638.msg1837005#msg1837005 - and here's the quote, just for good measure, so that everyone can see that I'm not making any of this up:

Yeah.  Very unlikely he remains there after this season.  Mavs took a gamble and it failed.  Luckily all it cost them was some role players and a late 1st.

You're acting that the end result of this trade is set in stone.  With how strong the west is, Dirk being 37 next year, the Mavs potentially looking again for a starting PG, this pick has a chance of being in the middle of the 1st round maybe even better. 

The end result of the Pierce trade exemption was Zeller and Thomas.  We still have the Rondo TE to play with.

Agreed. LarBrd33 is off the mark.

The pick has a strong chance of being a lottery pick in the west, we were able to get two likely high 2nd picks in the Wright deal, a young 3 and D guy (Crowder) that could be part of our team longterm depending on cost, and have a 12.9M trade exception (larger than the Pierce one).

For comparison, this was the price for the following players:

Dragic

1st rd picks- 2017 & 2021
Granger (who the Heat were dying to trade)

Jackson

2nd rd pick 2017
Singler
Augustin


Rondo is not better than either Dragic or Augustin yet the Mavs paid the highest price for him. Granted, maybe the Suns and Thunder wouldn't have sent those players to another Western conference team, but the return for Rondo should never be in question.

That was about Dragic and Jackson and the price those teams paid to get them, which is why I underlined both their names and included the packages traded for both players. It's a typo in putting Augustin, which is pretty obvious when you read the post. And yes, Rondo is not better than either Dragic or Jackson.

Nice try.

Isn't it common sense? The talk was comparing the returns of Rondo, Dragic, and Jackson. I felt our return for Rondo was the best of the 3, even though I don't consider him better than the other two players.

If I indeed felt Augustin was better a month ago, surely nothing Rondo has done, which is nothing really, would cause my position to change.

BTW, I find it ironic that your screen name is Beat LA, yet all you do is talk up Clarkson, Randle, and how the Lakers have a better scouting department than we do. You sure seem to like them a lot.

Off-topic...you should read this

http://m.wikihow.com/Use-Fewer-Emoticons

[Beat LA]

I'm obviously biased, but I think Jordan Clarkson should get some strong consideration (PER is better than Wiggins and Noel, and he is generally playing well). Even with that said, I give the award to Mirotic pretty easily. Highest rookie PER, plus is playing on a talented team in meaningful games.

I made a thread about him the other day, as I am certainly impressed, as well.  He's a lot better than Marcus Smart, lol. Ugh.  I do think that he should get strong consideration, though, but my vote would have to be for Wiggins.  I'm also not surprised to see that Jabari Brown has been playing very well, but I am surprised that Roscoe Smith has yet to be called up.  He's like a taller, thinner, version of Jae Crowder mixed with Renaldo Balkman.  Sigh.  Both of those guys should have been Celtics, imo.  You guys obviously have great scouts.  Unfortunately, I can't say the same for us, lol. How's Randle coming along?  I was honestly torn between him and Smart on draft night.

I wish we could give negative TP's.

- Clarkson a lot better than Smart? Really?

- Roscoe Smith, who isn't in the league, is like Crowder, who is in the league, but mixed with Balkman who isn't in the league either. So are you saying he sucks?

- Lakers have great scouts and we don't? Again, really? Since their 20 win team is filled with so much young talent.

As of right now, yes, Clarkson is much better than Smart.  Have you even seen him play or taken the time to look at his numbers, because he's a sick player, imo.  You shouldn't be so dismissive of the guy, btw, especially because he was just named rookie of the month in the WESTERN CONFERENCE, and that's no small feat.

What I meant with the Roscoe Smith comparisons is that, like Crowder, he's an all-effort/hustle guy who obviously plays defense, but I included Balkman in there, too, because Smith is an excellent rebounder, like Balkman is, and both of them are of similar size. 

Finally, in terms of scouting, yes, I would say that they have much better scouts, given that they were able to find a player of Clarkson's caliber at 46.  Okay, so they technically traded for him, but they still identified his talent and went out and got him.

Aren't you also the same guy that just a few months suggested that Rondo is the best PG in the NBA? So honestly, when you say laughable things like Clarkson is better than Smart, or the Lakers have better scouting than the C's, the applicable response would be...consider the source.

And aren't you the same guy who regularly cites Chad Ford as a reputable source, in addition to your idea of giving Jae Crowder, of all people, a 4 year deal?  So honestly, when you say laughable things like DJ Augustin is a better point guard than Rajon Rondo, or spell Kirk Hinrich's last name as if he was related to heinrich himmler, the applicable response would be...consider the source. We're done here.

I often cite Ford because he's pretty plugged into the NBA draft. However, rest assured that the moment he starts saying ridiculous things like "Clarkson is way better than Rondo" then I'll never use him as a reference again.

I never said Augustin was better than Rondo.

Why wouldn't we want Crowder to a 4 year deal if the price is right?

I was typing off my phone, so perhaps autocorrect took over the catastrophic spelling mishap that occurred. I know that pesky vowel had you confused into thinking I was talking about the third reich.

Ford might be plugged in to the draft, sure, but I wouldn't value the opinion of a guy who has gone back and changed his own draft boards from the past just to make himself look better, or did you miss that story when it was a topic on here? 

Also, you did say that Augustin was better than Rondo, and the spelling thing was just a detail that I found to be amusing.  You should really be more conscious of the things that you say to people, btw.

Again, never said Augustin was better. Go ahead and try to find that post to support your unsubstantiated claims. Good luck.

No problem.  To quote you, "Rondo is not better than either Dragic or Augustin yet the Mavs paid the highest price for him."  Here's the link to the post that you claim doesn't exist - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=76638.msg1837005#msg1837005 - and here's the quote, just for good measure, so that everyone can see that I'm not making any of this up:

Yeah.  Very unlikely he remains there after this season.  Mavs took a gamble and it failed.  Luckily all it cost them was some role players and a late 1st.

You're acting that the end result of this trade is set in stone.  With how strong the west is, Dirk being 37 next year, the Mavs potentially looking again for a starting PG, this pick has a chance of being in the middle of the 1st round maybe even better. 

The end result of the Pierce trade exemption was Zeller and Thomas.  We still have the Rondo TE to play with.

Agreed. LarBrd33 is off the mark.

The pick has a strong chance of being a lottery pick in the west, we were able to get two likely high 2nd picks in the Wright deal, a young 3 and D guy (Crowder) that could be part of our team longterm depending on cost, and have a 12.9M trade exception (larger than the Pierce one).

For comparison, this was the price for the following players:

Dragic

1st rd picks- 2017 & 2021
Granger (who the Heat were dying to trade)

Jackson

2nd rd pick 2017
Singler
Augustin


Rondo is not better than either Dragic or Augustin yet the Mavs paid the highest price for him. Granted, maybe the Suns and Thunder wouldn't have sent those players to another Western conference team, but the return for Rondo should never be in question.

That was about Dragic and Jackson and the price those teams paid to get them, which is why I underlined both their names and included the packages traded for both players. It's a typo in putting Augustin, which is pretty obvious when you read the post. And yes, Rondo is not better than either Dragic or Jackson.

Nice try.

Isn't it common sense? The talk was comparing the returns of Rondo, Dragic, and Jackson. I felt our return for Rondo was the best of the 3, even though I don't consider him better than the other two players.

If I indeed felt Augustin was better a month ago, surely nothing Rondo has done, which is nothing really, would cause my position to change.

Don't be so dense......lol lol lol lol    I added all your often overused lol's and emoticons to help you out (sarcasm).

BTW, I find it ironic that your screen name is Beat LA, yet all you do is talk up Clarkson, Randle, and how the Lakers have a better scouting department than we do. You sure seem to like them a lot.

I read the posts, so there's no need to explain it's topic to me as if I'm a child, thank you very much; and no, it was not obvious, especially since you mentioned Augustin just prior to the emboldened sentence. 

Also, don't try to backtrack.  First you said that you had never stated that Augustin was better than Rondo and that I would never find any proof of it, and then, after I did find it, you chalked it up to being such an obvious typo. If it was so obvious, then, why didn't you correct your mistake?  And to top it all off, now you're trying to say that what you actually said about Rondo, which you claim never existed in the first place, is actually true. This really is quite laughable.  You've flip flopped so many times even Mitt Romney's head is spinning.  Honestly, I might have been willing to give you a break had you not incessantly picked on everything that I've ever written, whether it was saying that I have problems in one thread, being annoyed by my use of lol's and smilies (really?), or generally insulting me, so thank you for that emboldened sentence, as everyone now sees your true colors.

Also, I bleed green, and there's a difference between liking the lakers in this case as opposed to being a bit envious of their up-and-coming prospects, but I should hardly have to highlight such a difference to someone of your obviously superior aptitude (sarcasm).  Seriously, what did I ever do to you?  I'll be reporting this.

[Eddie20]

I'm obviously biased, but I think Jordan Clarkson should get some strong consideration (PER is better than Wiggins and Noel, and he is generally playing well). Even with that said, I give the award to Mirotic pretty easily. Highest rookie PER, plus is playing on a talented team in meaningful games.

I made a thread about him the other day, as I am certainly impressed, as well.  He's a lot better than Marcus Smart, lol. Ugh.  I do think that he should get strong consideration, though, but my vote would have to be for Wiggins.  I'm also not surprised to see that Jabari Brown has been playing very well, but I am surprised that Roscoe Smith has yet to be called up.  He's like a taller, thinner, version of Jae Crowder mixed with Renaldo Balkman.  Sigh.  Both of those guys should have been Celtics, imo.  You guys obviously have great scouts.  Unfortunately, I can't say the same for us, lol. How's Randle coming along?  I was honestly torn between him and Smart on draft night.

I wish we could give negative TP's.

- Clarkson a lot better than Smart? Really?

- Roscoe Smith, who isn't in the league, is like Crowder, who is in the league, but mixed with Balkman who isn't in the league either. So are you saying he sucks?

- Lakers have great scouts and we don't? Again, really? Since their 20 win team is filled with so much young talent.

As of right now, yes, Clarkson is much better than Smart.  Have you even seen him play or taken the time to look at his numbers, because he's a sick player, imo.  You shouldn't be so dismissive of the guy, btw, especially because he was just named rookie of the month in the WESTERN CONFERENCE, and that's no small feat.

What I meant with the Roscoe Smith comparisons is that, like Crowder, he's an all-effort/hustle guy who obviously plays defense, but I included Balkman in there, too, because Smith is an excellent rebounder, like Balkman is, and both of them are of similar size. 

Finally, in terms of scouting, yes, I would say that they have much better scouts, given that they were able to find a player of Clarkson's caliber at 46.  Okay, so they technically traded for him, but they still identified his talent and went out and got him.

Aren't you also the same guy that just a few months suggested that Rondo is the best PG in the NBA? So honestly, when you say laughable things like Clarkson is better than Smart, or the Lakers have better scouting than the C's, the applicable response would be...consider the source.

And aren't you the same guy who regularly cites Chad Ford as a reputable source, in addition to your idea of giving Jae Crowder, of all people, a 4 year deal?  So honestly, when you say laughable things like DJ Augustin is a better point guard than Rajon Rondo, or spell Kirk Hinrich's last name as if he was related to heinrich himmler, the applicable response would be...consider the source. We're done here.

I often cite Ford because he's pretty plugged into the NBA draft. However, rest assured that the moment he starts saying ridiculous things like "Clarkson is way better than Rondo" then I'll never use him as a reference again.

I never said Augustin was better than Rondo.

Why wouldn't we want Crowder to a 4 year deal if the price is right?

I was typing off my phone, so perhaps autocorrect took over the catastrophic spelling mishap that occurred. I know that pesky vowel had you confused into thinking I was talking about the third reich.

Ford might be plugged in to the draft, sure, but I wouldn't value the opinion of a guy who has gone back and changed his own draft boards from the past just to make himself look better, or did you miss that story when it was a topic on here? 

Also, you did say that Augustin was better than Rondo, and the spelling thing was just a detail that I found to be amusing.  You should really be more conscious of the things that you say to people, btw.

Again, never said Augustin was better. Go ahead and try to find that post to support your unsubstantiated claims. Good luck.

No problem.  To quote you, "Rondo is not better than either Dragic or Augustin yet the Mavs paid the highest price for him."  Here's the link to the post that you claim doesn't exist - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=76638.msg1837005#msg1837005 - and here's the quote, just for good measure, so that everyone can see that I'm not making any of this up:

Yeah.  Very unlikely he remains there after this season.  Mavs took a gamble and it failed.  Luckily all it cost them was some role players and a late 1st.

You're acting that the end result of this trade is set in stone.  With how strong the west is, Dirk being 37 next year, the Mavs potentially looking again for a starting PG, this pick has a chance of being in the middle of the 1st round maybe even better. 

The end result of the Pierce trade exemption was Zeller and Thomas.  We still have the Rondo TE to play with.

Agreed. LarBrd33 is off the mark.

The pick has a strong chance of being a lottery pick in the west, we were able to get two likely high 2nd picks in the Wright deal, a young 3 and D guy (Crowder) that could be part of our team longterm depending on cost, and have a 12.9M trade exception (larger than the Pierce one).

For comparison, this was the price for the following players:

Dragic

1st rd picks- 2017 & 2021
Granger (who the Heat were dying to trade)

Jackson

2nd rd pick 2017
Singler
Augustin


Rondo is not better than either Dragic or Augustin yet the Mavs paid the highest price for him. Granted, maybe the Suns and Thunder wouldn't have sent those players to another Western conference team, but the return for Rondo should never be in question.

That was about Dragic and Jackson and the price those teams paid to get them, which is why I underlined both their names and included the packages traded for both players. It's a typo in putting Augustin, which is pretty obvious when you read the post. And yes, Rondo is not better than either Dragic or Jackson.

Nice try.

Isn't it common sense? The talk was comparing the returns of Rondo, Dragic, and Jackson. I felt our return for Rondo was the best of the 3, even though I don't consider him better than the other two players.

If I indeed felt Augustin was better a month ago, surely nothing Rondo has done, which is nothing really, would cause my position to change.


BTW, I find it ironic that your screen name is Beat LA, yet all you do is talk up Clarkson, Randle, and how the Lakers have a better scouting department than we do. You sure seem to like them a lot.

I read the posts, so there's no need to explain it's topic to me as if I'm a child, thank you very much; and no, it was not obvious, especially since you mentioned Augustin just prior to the emboldened sentence. 

Also, don't try to backtrack.  First you said that you had never stated that Augustin was better than Rondo and that I would never find any proof of it, and then, after I did find it, you chalked it up to being such an obvious typo. If it was so obvious, then, why didn't you correct your mistake?  And to top it all off, now you're trying to say that what you actually said about Rondo, which you claim never existed in the first place, is actually true. This really is quite laughable.  You've flip flopped so many times even Mitt Romney's head is spinning.  Honestly, I might have been willing to give you a break had you not incessantly picked on everything that I've ever written, whether it was saying that I have problems in one thread, being annoyed by my use of lol's and smilies (really?), or generally insulting me, so thank you for that emboldened sentence, as everyone now sees your true colors.

Also, I bleed green, and there's a difference between liking the lakers in this case as opposed to being a bit envious of their up-and-coming prospects, but I should hardly have to highlight such a difference to someone of your obviously superior aptitude (sarcasm).  Seriously, what did I ever do to you?  I'll be reporting this.

You're trying your hardest to try to spin this, but you know, at least I hope you do, how it was meant. I honestly didn't even notice that I had put Augustin instead of Jackson until you just posted it. Although I do think Dragic and Jackson are better than Rondo, I don't think Augustin is.