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Re: Kelly No "O"lynyk
« Reply #60 on: March 23, 2015, 10:37:23 PM »

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as for consistency, it is his second year and he lost playing time due to an injury. let's wait and see, shall we?
'Excuses are like ...., everyone has one.

This kind of mindset had us hoping for years with Jeff Green.   A guy either is mentally tough or they are not.   He plays well once he gets a shot falling and falters when his shot is not.   That is nothing to do with experience or how many years he has, I bet he has been like that his life.

Re: Kelly No "O"lynyk
« Reply #61 on: March 23, 2015, 10:39:24 PM »

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Olynyk had 18 points tonight and was a plus 13.
with 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal and 1 block.....all in 16:40 seconds.

calling OP, calling OP....time to change the thread title.

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Re: Kelly No "O"lynyk
« Reply #62 on: March 23, 2015, 10:40:09 PM »

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as for consistency, it is his second year and he lost playing time due to an injury. let's wait and see, shall we?
'Excuses are like ...., everyone has one.

This kind of mindset had us hoping for years with Jeff Green.   A guy either is mentally tough or they are not.   He plays well once he gets a shot falling and falters when his shot is not.   That is nothing to do with experience or how many years he has, I bet he has been like that his life.

Olynyk is better than Green.

Re: Kelly No "O"lynyk
« Reply #63 on: March 23, 2015, 10:40:22 PM »

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as for consistency, it is his second year and he lost playing time due to an injury. let's wait and see, shall we?
'Excuses are like ...., everyone has one.

This kind of mindset had us hoping for years with Jeff Green.   A guy either is mentally tough or they are not.   He plays well once he gets a shot falling and falters when his shot is not.   That is nothing to do with experience or how many years he has, I bet he has been like that his life.
ha, ha....sounds like a plan. pass final judgement early to avoid the crowd. ;D
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Re: Kelly No "O"lynyk
« Reply #64 on: March 23, 2015, 10:41:31 PM »

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as for consistency, it is his second year and he lost playing time due to an injury. let's wait and see, shall we?
'Excuses are like ...., everyone has one.

This kind of mindset had us hoping for years with Jeff Green.   A guy either is mentally tough or they are not.   He plays well once he gets a shot falling and falters when his shot is not.   That is nothing to do with experience or how many years he has, I bet he has been like that his life.

Let's see the list of current second year players who have been consistently good every night?
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Re: Kelly No "O"lynyk
« Reply #65 on: March 23, 2015, 10:44:51 PM »

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It be great if KO can continue to play well.

Increase his trade value for this summer.

Re: Kelly No "O"lynyk
« Reply #66 on: March 23, 2015, 11:44:50 PM »

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Olynyk had 18 points tonight and was a plus 13.

He played well until he shot that three after the whistle and missed everything after that.

Still can we build around a guy who is all over the place consistency wise?   It's a thought to ponder.
i wasnt aware of any posters here saying the celtics should build their team around olly. most of the posters, myself included, see him as an above average off-the-bench scorer who can also rebound, just as he did tonight.

as for consistency, it is his second year and he lost playing time due to an injury. let's wait and see, shall we?

I still hold out hope he can be a starting-caliber stretch 4 on a really good squad next to a defensive-minded 5. He's got all of the tools to be a really good stretch 4, he just needs to work on bringing it more consistently and bringing up his D a bit.
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Re: Kelly No "O"lynyk
« Reply #67 on: March 24, 2015, 03:33:47 AM »

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And then he goes and scores 18 points on 7/12 shooting with 3/5 from 3 point land in an important road game against a team we are trying to beat out for the last playoff spot.  KO can score.  But he's going to have growing pains like any other young player.

http://www.nba.com/games/20150323/BOSBKN/gameinfo.html?ls=slt

Re: Kelly No "O"lynyk
« Reply #68 on: March 24, 2015, 07:32:35 AM »

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maybe kelly will peak in the stretch,since the ankle he looked so clumsy while attempting to play d-i believe that was conditioning and ankle sensitivity-that month off may help him as the season winds down-

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« Reply #69 on: March 24, 2015, 07:35:50 AM »

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And then he goes and scores 18 points on 7/12 shooting with 3/5 from 3 point land in an important road game against a team we are trying to beat out for the last playoff spot.  KO can score.  But he's going to have growing pains like any other young player.

http://www.nba.com/games/20150323/BOSBKN/gameinfo.html?ls=slt
The problem is not his ability to score, it's his ability to disappear completely more often than not.
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Re: Kelly No "O"lynyk
« Reply #70 on: March 24, 2015, 08:53:48 AM »

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Olynyk had 18 points tonight and was a plus 13.

He played well until he shot that three after the whistle and missed everything after that.

Still can we build around a guy who is all over the place consistency wise?   It's a thought to ponder.
i wasnt aware of any posters here saying the celtics should build their team around olly. most of the posters, myself included, see him as an above average off-the-bench scorer who can also rebound, just as he did tonight.

as for consistency, it is his second year and he lost playing time due to an injury. let's wait and see, shall we?

I still hold out hope he can be a starting-caliber stretch 4 on a really good squad next to a defensive-minded 5. He's got all of the tools to be a really good stretch 4, he just needs to work on bringing it more consistently and bringing up his D a bit.

Co-sign. KO has proven he has starter level talent, it's just purely a consistency issue. One night he drops 18/5/2 in all of 17 minutes, the next he'll be lucky to get 6/1/1 in 20+ mins. But before I decide whether he is or isn't a starting caliber big, I need 3 full NBA seasons. KO grew into his body VERY late, and it shows.

If he can start putting games like last night together on a consistent basis, he's clearly a starter. His offensive talent is obvious, teams play us differently when he's in the game. And I think he's done a better job making an impact even if his shots not falling. Just needs to be more aggressive driving to the rack and shooting open shots when he has the chances.

And why do people have the impression were building around the 13th pick in a poor draft class? You don't build around players like KO, and DA knows that. He can be a vital cog in your offense maybe, but he's not a franchise player. No one in the Celtics FO thought he was. So let's stop criticizing him like he is one.

Re: Kelly No "O"lynyk
« Reply #71 on: March 24, 2015, 08:59:23 AM »

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And then he goes and scores 18 points on 7/12 shooting with 3/5 from 3 point land in an important road game against a team we are trying to beat out for the last playoff spot.  KO can score.  But he's going to have growing pains like any other young player.

http://www.nba.com/games/20150323/BOSBKN/gameinfo.html?ls=slt
The problem is not his ability to score, it's his ability to disappear completely more often than not.

Recurrent injuries seem to explain his inconsistency, since Olynyk seems to need a lot of time/games to get back to form. I think that there is also a mental part involved but he did look very confident tonight so I can't help but be encouraged for the next games.

He reminds me of Bradley in his first seasons, where he looked ready to make the "jump" and then got back to his old flaws/lack of confidence.

Re: Kelly No "O"lynyk
« Reply #72 on: March 24, 2015, 09:19:06 AM »

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Let's see the list of current second year players who have been consistently good every night?
There are a few guys who have good second years.  Some guys believe or not are good from the get go.   Bigs do take longer to develop usually.

Looking at our roster, Crowder, Smart and Jerebko play hard every night.   Their production can be uneven but you know they will try hard and play D.   Bass you know what he is going to give you and he is pretty consistent.   Zeller for the most part is fairly consistent.   ET is all over the place some nights he is lights out and some nights he kills us and probably why he has bounced around a lot.   AB is getting to where he is reliable most nights but has an occasional slump. KO is a confidence player in that some nights he is good and some nights he is not depending on whether his shot is falling. Phil is a nice little PG off the bench who shows that he can be ready despite not playing all season.   Young is all over the place but he is what 19 and he will likely get a pass for a year or two but he inability to make progress on defense needs to be addressed in the off season. 

Speaking of 19, KO is 23 going on 24 this year on April 19th.   He is not the age of your typical NBA two year player taken in the top twenty.   Young will have 4-5 experience under his belt by the time he is KO's age.   KO has about 10-12 years left in him.

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ha, ha....sounds like a plan. pass final judgement early to avoid the crowd.

KO and Sully have a lot or up and downs because they depend on their ability to match up because they lack athletic ability.   They both struggle against length and athletic ability.   You can pretty much tell what your going to get in a player after an NBA season.   Both these guys are skilled and slow.   They might improve their shooting and saavy but their athletic ability is finite.  I think KO has a better work ethic and Sully's conditioning bears this out.  I think they have a place in the league.  I just think what we see is what we will get with them.

I doubt you have ever been around scouts, scouted or the like or been scouted.   They can make up their mind pretty quickly.  This let's wait and hope they blossom has not place in professional sports played by men.   Guys have to show progress at certain ages or they get replaced.  It happens all the time.   You can bet Ainge notices KO vanishing some nights.  You can bet he would trade him if he thought it would make the team better.  Some of these guys are simply playing to build their value and see if we want to keep them or deal them.   

What you don't realize is that people are consistently jockeying for position in the pros.   Free Agents to be, are trying to increase their value, guys on your team are trying to play and take your spot, etc.   No one is going to take KO hold his hand and hope he gets better.  He is going to have to step up and deliver or down the road he will be replaced or benched it is that simple.   It is his job too.

I thought Kelly played well last night.  I hope he can maintain it but I am not optimistic given his history.  We certainly need everyone to step up for the playoff fight as we have several games that will be hard down the stretch.  We need all the help we can get down the stretch and good Kelly.

Re: Kelly No "O"lynyk
« Reply #73 on: March 24, 2015, 09:34:24 AM »

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And then he goes and scores 18 points on 7/12 shooting with 3/5 from 3 point land in an important road game against a team we are trying to beat out for the last playoff spot.  KO can score.  But he's going to have growing pains like any other young player.

http://www.nba.com/games/20150323/BOSBKN/gameinfo.html?ls=slt
The problem is not his ability to score, it's his ability to disappear completely more often than not.

Recurrent injuries seem to explain his inconsistency, since Olynyk seems to need a lot of time/games to get back to form. I think that there is also a mental part involved but he did look very confident tonight so I can't help but be encouraged for the next games.

He reminds me of Bradley in his first seasons, where he looked ready to make the "jump" and then got back to his old flaws/lack of confidence.
That's fine, I just wish the valleys weren't as deep as they are. But ah well.

I also think there is a certain physical component: he can't palm the ball very well, so everything he does is either two-handed, or underhanded. This is to say he has to have a hand under the ball at all times to have full control over the shot.

That's why all the in-between shots and even some lay-ins look extremely awkward -- and will be, for the rest of his career, extremely blockable. I think this will limit him to being a jump shooter in the long run.
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Re: Kelly No "O"lynyk
« Reply #74 on: March 24, 2015, 09:42:55 AM »

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Those players who don't have up and downs are called superstars.  There are a handful of them in the NBA.  Its like people expect KO to be a superstar when all anyone including Ainge said when he drafted KO was that he was a complimentary player.  I remember that because I made a joke on here about KO walking around in practice telling everyone something good about themselves.

I don't think anyone even suggests KO is an AllStar caliber player now or in the future but the expectations for him on this board by people who don't like him are nuts.

I think KO has been more consistent than most, if not everyone else on the team.  I know his scoring is inconsistent, but what he does well, he does every night and that is on offense keep the ball moving, set picks, stretch the big from the other team out of the lane, and pass exceptionally well for a center.  What he does well on defense every night is play good ball denial, play excellent position defense on the ball and especially in help situations, get physical with the other team's bigs, and block out.  Those things are consistent and what gives him a good +/-, real +/-, offensive efficiency, defensive efficiency and whatever other stat out there measures your total game instead of just pts, rebs, and assists.