Anthony Davis isn't sold on NO.

[MBunge]

With the new salary rules essentially eliminating the sign-n-trade option, the only way you'll see major stars leave teams is when...

A.  Teams want to get rid of them.

B.  The team has not only been a clustermess but has personally alienated the star (Howard, Monroe, Love).

Mike

[saltlover]

I don't feel like quoting myself and having a 1-person conversation, but I want to add the following:

There are 2 reasons (aside from wanting out of NO) why AD might not want to sign the extension:

1) If he doesnt win the MVP award this season, he would likey not be eligible for the 30% max if he gets injured next season.  He may not want to lock himself into a long deal in that scenario.

2) If he/his agent believe the max salary will be done away with in the new CBA, signing his QO could lead to a megadeal in 2017.  However, that's quite the risk, as he'd give up about $17 million in 2016 on the hope of soemthing huge.

At the risk of not havinng you have a one person conversation

If Davis gave up 17 million in 2016, almost any team would give him anything huge.

I mean $17 million huger the the $150 million over 5 years he'd be turning down, which would require some real changes in the CBA that favor the players.  Not impossible, of course, but not soemthing that is necessarily worth the risk, unless he just wants to leave NOLA and the possibility of a CBA change is just gravy.

[saltlover]

I don't feel like quoting myself and having a 1-person conversation, but I want to add the following:

There are 2 reasons (aside from wanting out of NO) why AD might not want to sign the extension:

1) If he doesnt win the MVP award this season, he would likey not be eligible for the 30% max if he gets injured next season.  He may not want to lock himself into a long deal in that scenario.

2) If he/his agent believe the max salary will be done away with in the new CBA, signing his QO could lead to a megadeal in 2017.  However, that's quite the risk, as he'd give up about $17 million in 2016 on the hope of soemthing huge.

It's interesting how the phrase "Davis' representatives have not yet decided how to proceed with the Pelicans," was interpreted as "Anthony Davis isn't sold on NO," and later expanded to speculation about an dissatisfaction about the talent that has surrounded him.

Yes.  My point was intended to indicate reasons his agents are debating, so as to move away from the original hypothesis that he is upset at management for not winning.

The one other hiccup I didn't mention is that ownership/control of that franchise is very clouded right now, and will be decided by the courts over the next year or so.  He might want to see that resolved before committing for half a decade.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth #20]

So what was the point of creating this thread? I got confused because it seems completely pointless.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

This complaint seems VERY empty to me. Not only do they have invested in young talent at affordable prices, they have some cap room available to work with going forward.

In all, NO has nothing to complain about. In fact, most would have agreed that NO had a very good team coming into this year.

So seriously, not sure what this dude is complaining about at this stage of his career about failing to add a star around him... particularly when you consider they traded for an all-star PG, currently injured as he may be.

Edit: My post seems like it's completely misplaced. Only read the OPs post, so thought AD was complaining about the talent, yet I don't see anything like that in the link provided.

They've done a terrible job surrounding him with talent. They traded two top 10 picks for Jrue Holiday who might be a fringe top 10 player at the leagues deepest position. Massively overpaid Eric Gordon, gave up ANOTHER potential lottery pick to rent Asik for the year and signed Tyreke Evans.

That's not a very good job of capitalizing on the cap space they had or the two top 10 picks the teams had. They basically had a blank slate to surround a top 5 player with talent and wound up as a solid but unspectacular team...

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

It would be awfully hard for him (and for most people) to turn down the extra money only NO can offer him. Of course I'd love to have him in green, and maybe—technically—Boston has a shot at him. But I'm not gonna preorder a Celtics Anthony Davis jersey anytime soon.

[BudweiserCeltic]

This complaint seems VERY empty to me. Not only do they have invested in young talent at affordable prices, they have some cap room available to work with going forward.

In all, NO has nothing to complain about. In fact, most would have agreed that NO had a very good team coming into this year.

So seriously, not sure what this dude is complaining about at this stage of his career about failing to add a star around him... particularly when you consider they traded for an all-star PG, currently injured as he may be.

Edit: My post seems like it's completely misplaced. Only read the OPs post, so thought AD was complaining about the talent, yet I don't see anything like that in the link provided.

They've done a terrible job surrounding him with talent. They traded two top 10 picks for Jrue Holiday who might be a fringe top 10 player at the leagues deepest position. Massively overpaid Eric Gordon, gave up ANOTHER potential lottery pick to rent Asik for the year and signed Tyreke Evans.

That's not a very good job of capitalizing on the cap space they had or the two top 10 picks the teams had. They basically had a blank slate to surround a top 5 player with talent and wound up as a solid but unspectacular team...

First, the complaint was about the lack of talent... not having the draft picks is really irrelevant. You don't keep your star player by convincing them on young unproven potential.

Second, they still have plenty of wiggle room cap wise to attract talent, something they couldn't do before since they were an awful team. They had to start adding talent somewhere from people who actually wanted to be there. They weren't attracting anyone else.

Next year might be a different story with the evolution of Davis and how they're knocking on the playoff's door on a deep West.

So whatever complaint about the talent level of the Hornets so far is foolish in my opinion, particularly this early in his career.

[Celtics18]

I realize there is nothing to indicate that Anthony Davis is unhappy in New Orleans, but if any young, budding star would be looking for a change of scenery, I suspect it might be Davis.

I'm not good with the numbers, but I understand that the Pelicans can offer the Brow a boatload of money.  That's obviously their big chip in retaining him. 

On the other hand, not only is that basketball team not particularly well run, but my understanding is that the fan base is fairly lackluster towards their NBA team down in the big Easy.  They love their Saints down there, but the Hornets/Pelicans haven't really grabbed hold of the collective consciousness.

Places like Oklahoma City and San Antonio have small fan bases, but at least those small bases are rabid about their NBA teams. 

Does AD really want to spent a bulk of his best super star years in a place where nobody cares?

We'll see.   

[Snakehead]

I think/hope it's just a matter of time for him there.  Not just from a Celtics possibility but because I see him destined to do nothing but maybe waste his prime until he decides to go elsewhere there.  I already have no idea what they're really doing there personnel wise (they got rid of a lot of assets for not enough talent even if I like some of the players individually).  Also just on the floor when we played them it was basically lob the ball up to the rim and make Davis get it or give it to Davis and have him try to score for an offense, which doesn't look like a winning formula even as good as he is.

Pretty much looks like KG all over again.  KG said he wished he left earlier basically after he came to Boston with talent around him.  I hope Davis realizes the same thing earlier.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

This complaint seems VERY empty to me. Not only do they have invested in young talent at affordable prices, they have some cap room available to work with going forward.

In all, NO has nothing to complain about. In fact, most would have agreed that NO had a very good team coming into this year.

So seriously, not sure what this dude is complaining about at this stage of his career about failing to add a star around him... particularly when you consider they traded for an all-star PG, currently injured as he may be.

Edit: My post seems like it's completely misplaced. Only read the OPs post, so thought AD was complaining about the talent, yet I don't see anything like that in the link provided.

They've done a terrible job surrounding him with talent. They traded two top 10 picks for Jrue Holiday who might be a fringe top 10 player at the leagues deepest position. Massively overpaid Eric Gordon, gave up ANOTHER potential lottery pick to rent Asik for the year and signed Tyreke Evans.

That's not a very good job of capitalizing on the cap space they had or the two top 10 picks the teams had. They basically had a blank slate to surround a top 5 player with talent and wound up as a solid but unspectacular team...

First, the complaint was about the lack of talent... not having the draft picks is really irrelevant. You don't keep your star player by convincing them on young unproven potential.

Second, they still have plenty of wiggle room cap wise to attract talent, something they couldn't do before since they were an awful team. They had to start adding talent somewhere from people who actually wanted to be there. They weren't attracting anyone else.

Next year might be a different story with the evolution of Davis and how they're knocking on the playoff's door on a deep West.

So whatever complaint about the talent level of the Hornets so far is foolish in my opinion, particularly this early in his career.

Yeah, because there's no way you'll could use a pair of top 10 picks to add talent to the roster. 

You can sign a Jrue Holiday equivalent player just about every year on the market. There will be at least 2-3 available this summer alone that won't cost you multiple top 10 picks.

With a modicum of common sense they'd have a front court of Nerlens Noel and Anthony Davis and nobody would ever score another basket in the paint on that team ever again. Add in a guy like Elfrid  Payton from the draft last year and you'd have a talented young core surrounding Davis.

Instead you have overpriced rentals, no draft picks and some sort of illusion that at some point FAs will come.

I love the notion that you have to surround Anthony Davis with talent NOW to keep him. That's how teams like Cleveland lost LeBron the first time. Panicky win now moves that create mediocre rosters like the one in NO that AD has to drag to the playoffs.

[Boris Badenov]

I don't feel like quoting myself and having a 1-person conversation, but I want to add the following:

There are 2 reasons (aside from wanting out of NO) why AD might not want to sign the extension:

1) If he doesnt win the MVP award this season, he would likey not be eligible for the 30% max if he gets injured next season.  He may not want to lock himself into a long deal in that scenario.

2) If he/his agent believe the max salary will be done away with in the new CBA, signing his QO could lead to a megadeal in 2017.  However, that's quite the risk, as he'd give up about $17 million in 2016 on the hope of soemthing huge.

SL, can a contract have more than one year of player/team options?

I ask because I've never seen that. But, if it were possible to sign an extension that had a series of player options (or a multi-year player option), that would seem to be what the top-tier guys would all want right now.

[D.o.s.]

I don't feel like quoting myself and having a 1-person conversation, but I want to add the following:

There are 2 reasons (aside from wanting out of NO) why AD might not want to sign the extension:

1) If he doesnt win the MVP award this season, he would likey not be eligible for the 30% max if he gets injured next season.  He may not want to lock himself into a long deal in that scenario.

2) If he/his agent believe the max salary will be done away with in the new CBA, signing his QO could lead to a megadeal in 2017.  However, that's quite the risk, as he'd give up about $17 million in 2016 on the hope of soemthing huge.

SL, can a contract have more than one year of player/team options?

I ask because I've never seen that. But, if it were possible to sign an extension that had a series of player options (or a multi-year player option), that would seem to be what the top-tier guys would all want right now.

No, it can't.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q59

A contract may not contain more than one option in the same season (for example, the last season cannot contain both a player option and a team option). In fact, a contract may not contain more than one option at all, with the following two exceptions:

    A rookie scale contract for a first round draft pick contains a team option before both the third and fourth seasons. No other options are permitted in rookie scale contracts. See question number 49 for more information.
    Under the previous CBA a six-year contract could contain an ETO prior to the fifth season and an option (player or team) prior to the sixth season. Since six-year contracts are not permitted under the current CBA, this is no longer possible

[Boris Badenov]

I don't feel like quoting myself and having a 1-person conversation, but I want to add the following:

There are 2 reasons (aside from wanting out of NO) why AD might not want to sign the extension:

1) If he doesnt win the MVP award this season, he would likey not be eligible for the 30% max if he gets injured next season.  He may not want to lock himself into a long deal in that scenario.

2) If he/his agent believe the max salary will be done away with in the new CBA, signing his QO could lead to a megadeal in 2017.  However, that's quite the risk, as he'd give up about $17 million in 2016 on the hope of soemthing huge.

SL, can a contract have more than one year of player/team options?

I ask because I've never seen that. But, if it were possible to sign an extension that had a series of player options (or a multi-year player option), that would seem to be what the top-tier guys would all want right now.

No, it can't.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q59

A contract may not contain more than one option in the same season (for example, the last season cannot contain both a player option and a team option). In fact, a contract may not contain more than one option at all, with the following two exceptions:

    A rookie scale contract for a first round draft pick contains a team option before both the third and fourth seasons. No other options are permitted in rookie scale contracts. See question number 49 for more information.
    Under the previous CBA a six-year contract could contain an ETO prior to the fifth season and an option (player or team) prior to the sixth season. Since six-year contracts are not permitted under the current CBA, this is no longer possible

TP. I was almost sure of this (otherwise we would have seen it), but figured someone would know for sure.

[ddb]

Anthony Davis is a dream for us Celtics fans.  That would be amazing having him on our team.  But for whatever reason he strikes me as a Chicago Bull.  I can see him signing there outright when he is a free agent. 

[jpotter33]

hope for what? That he doesn't take the max extension New Orleans is going to offer him as soon as they possibly can?

Well, would it even make sense for him to extend this offseason with the cap exploding in 2016? I know it doesn't make sense for free agents, but how would it affect rookie extensions and deals of that nature?

If he signs a max extension, his salaries will be based on the 2016 cap, and raises from that cap.  New Orleans should offer him the most they can -- 5 years, eligible for the 30% max if he meets the requirements, max raises of 7.5% each year.  Player option in year 5.  His first year salary in the new deal could exceed $26 million that way -- compared with the $9 million qualifying offer.

They shouldn't let him get to free agency.  And they shouldn't mess around like Minny did with Love.  Just make him the best offer from Day 1.

 

AD will be making 26 M per his first year after his rookie contract?! Woowwwwwwww. I didn't realize the jump in salaries would be that much.

EDIT: Just saw SL's conditions, but still that's crazy.