Between Doc (Clippers) & Brad (Boston), who will win a championship first?

[Eja117]

Much the same way you could make the argument that the Earth circles the Sun.

No actually. It's nothing like that.

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Sometimes I think there are a few people here from Chris Rock's neighborhood because they want to give Doc credit for something he was supposed to do.

[D.o.s.]

Doc and Stevens don't have comparable resumes: Doc blows him out of the water. That's the fact. Reading the earnest crusades otherwise gets old after a while.

Parts of my hypothetical narrative above is reflected in some of their IMs back in those days.

[mahcus smaht]

Much the same way you could make the argument that the Earth circles the Sun.

No actually. It's nothing like that.

Opinion...http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Opinion

Fact...http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fact


Sometimes I think there are a few people here from Chris Rock's neighborhood because they want to give Doc credit for something he was supposed to do.

I know this is just semantics, but giving someone credit for something they are supposed to do is not unreasonable.

[Eja117]

Doc and Stevens don't have comparable resumes: Doc blows him out of the water. That's the fact. Reading the earnest crusades otherwise gets old after a while.

Parts of my hypothetical narrative above is reflected in some of their IMs back in those days.

But Stevens doesn't have the word "quitter" on his resume unless you want to be very liberal with your interpretations.

Realistically the way things likely turn out in LA is that they fail to get over the hump. They sign him to a big contract. Suddenly "anonymous sources" are telling ESPN reporters that Doc wants to coach Anthony Davis or possibly Durant wherever they are. Doc leaves. Gets indignant at local reporters calling him what he is.

[mahcus smaht]

Doc and Stevens don't have comparable resumes: Doc blows him out of the water. That's the fact. Reading the earnest crusades otherwise gets old after a while.

Parts of my hypothetical narrative above is reflected in some of their IMs back in those days.

no one is comparing their resumes. That would be pointless. Doc has coached for years longer than Brad.
Doc won coach of the year for bringing his miserable magic team close to the playoffs, in his second year they made the playoffs. Brad seems to be a season behind.

That being said I would rather have Stevens.

[Jonny CC]

I'm curious -- what standard is Doc, the championship winning coach, not meeting that Brad Stevens is?

I know this will sound crazy, but winning the championship is irrelevant to me. Spoelstra has 2 championships but I still think that he is a clown. Did coaching have anything to do with him beating Pops in the Finals??

To answer the question....I think Brad will win a title before Doc because of Danny.  The Clips have some stars but the rest of the team is a mess.  The West is too deep so it limits their chances.  Danny has a ton of assets and has set up this team for the future. It may not be this year or next year (or the next year), but I have faith that it will happen. 

[Jonny CC]

Doc and Stevens don't have comparable resumes: Doc blows him out of the water. That's the fact. Reading the earnest crusades otherwise gets old after a while.

Parts of my hypothetical narrative above is reflected in some of their IMs back in those days.

But Stevens doesn't have the word "quitter" on his resume unless you want to be very liberal with your interpretations.

Realistically the way things likely turn out in LA is that they fail to get over the hump. They sign him to a big contract. Suddenly "anonymous sources" are telling ESPN reporters that Doc wants to coach Anthony Davis or possibly Durant wherever they are. Doc leaves. Gets indignant at local reporters calling him what he is.

I would say the same about Phil. He is the ultimate quitter and his record is flawed/tainted/overrated.

[Eja117]

Doc and Stevens don't have comparable resumes: Doc blows him out of the water. That's the fact. Reading the earnest crusades otherwise gets old after a while.

Parts of my hypothetical narrative above is reflected in some of their IMs back in those days.

But Stevens doesn't have the word "quitter" on his resume unless you want to be very liberal with your interpretations.

Realistically the way things likely turn out in LA is that they fail to get over the hump. They sign him to a big contract. Suddenly "anonymous sources" are telling ESPN reporters that Doc wants to coach Anthony Davis or possibly Durant wherever they are. Doc leaves. Gets indignant at local reporters calling him what he is.

I would say the same about Phil. He is the ultimate quitter and his record is flawed/tainted/overrated.

This painting by Cezanne is an excellent example of a post impressionist still life with an emphasis on geometrical simplicity. It is called Apples and Oranges.

[D.o.s.]

no one is comparing their resumes. That would be pointless. Doc has coached for years longer than Brad.
Doc won coach of the year for bringing his miserable magic team close to the playoffs, in his second year they made the playoffs. Brad seems to be a season behind.

That being said I would rather have Stevens.

I don't think I'd want him over Brad Stevens, even though one could make an argument that Doc has the better resume.

[mahcus smaht]

no one is comparing their resumes. That would be pointless. Doc has coached for years longer than Brad.
Doc won coach of the year for bringing his miserable magic team close to the playoffs, in his second year they made the playoffs. Brad seems to be a season behind.

That being said I would rather have Stevens.

I don't think I'd want him over Brad Stevens, even though one could make an argument that Doc has the better resume.

Oh dear God
Its written like one would assume Brad has a more impressive resume, but that Doc has a fighting chance. My goodness.  I assumed Docs Coach of the Year Award, NBA Championship, 2 championship appearances, 11 playoff appearances, and 650+ wins compared to Brads... well Brad hasnt really done a single thing at the NBA level.

I love Brad, I think Brad is better than Doc, Id rather Brad than Doc, I think Brad could be a coach of the year candidate and I think he will soon become a perennial one. That all being said their resumes are legitimately incomparable. To compare them or even suggest comparing them is pointless.

Edit: I think he is saying that if you bring resumes into the discussion Doc, probably gains the upperhand. That is completely reasonable. My bad...again.

[slamtheking]

I'd figure Doc based on the current talent levels of each team.  Clips still need a wing that can be a go-to scorer and a deeper bench while the C's need starting-quality players.   C's have a better bench but that's because everyone on the roster is really a bench player although we're forced to start 5 of them.

[Jonny CC]

Doc and Stevens don't have comparable resumes: Doc blows him out of the water. That's the fact. Reading the earnest crusades otherwise gets old after a while.

Parts of my hypothetical narrative above is reflected in some of their IMs back in those days.

But Stevens doesn't have the word "quitter" on his resume unless you want to be very liberal with your interpretations.

Realistically the way things likely turn out in LA is that they fail to get over the hump. They sign him to a big contract. Suddenly "anonymous sources" are telling ESPN reporters that Doc wants to coach Anthony Davis or possibly Durant wherever they are. Doc leaves. Gets indignant at local reporters calling him what he is.

I would say the same about Phil. He is the ultimate quitter and his record is flawed/tainted/overrated.

This painting by Cezanne is an excellent example of a post impressionist still life with an emphasis on geometrical simplicity. It is called Apples and Oranges.

That's very enlightening but it's inaccurate.  Doc left when the team wasn't championship-caliber.  Jackson has done that multple times.  Apples and apples.

[TitleMaster]

If Danny were to add one 2004 Paul Pierce caliber player to this team, then Brad could actually get us into the semi-conference finals, assuming that we play the third or fourth seed and not the first, during the opening round.

[slamtheking]

If Danny were to add one 2004 Paul Pierce caliber player to this team, then Brad could actually get us into the semi-conference finals, assuming that we play the third or fourth seed and not the first, during the opening round.

fair assessment.  having a player of that level on this team in this weak Eastern conference would probably be enough to put this as the #5 team assuming they're current level of play was how they had played all year.

2004 Pierce was a lethal go-to scorer, particularly in the 4th quarter --> a player this team could desperately use

[mahcus smaht]

If Danny were to add one 2004 Paul Pierce caliber player to this team, then Brad could actually get us into the semi-conference finals, assuming that we play the third or fourth seed and not the first, during the opening round.

fair assessment.  having a player of that level on this team in this weak Eastern conference would probably be enough to put this as the #5 team assuming they're current level of play was how they had played all year.

2004 Pierce was a lethal go-to scorer, particularly in the 4th quarter --> a player this team could desperately use

The Knicks are in basically the exact situation the 06-07 C's were in. They have one dominant 25+ppg scorer. They have a fast track to a top 3 pick, and they have cap space. The difference is the C's had assets, Rondo, Big Al, Gerald Green, Randy Foye, etc whereas the Knicks have the fact that they play in New York to lure FAs.