Summer Prediction: Cs sign Biyombo to two year, approx $12mil deal

[LarBrd33]

As HP points out, Biyombo may well have plateaued already.

How do you compare 21 year old WCS to 22 year old Biyombo?  They are a year apart in age.  I said in another thread... if your options are giving up Olynyk + #16 + #28 to trade up for WCS... or just sign Biyombo outright, which is a better gamble?

Forget about the assets it will take to trade up for a shot at WCS... Would you rather have WCS... who spent last season as a JUNIOR in College averaging 9 points, 6.4 rebounds, 1.7 blocks in 26 minutes with 57% shooting (62% from the line)... or Biyombo, who spent 21 games last season as an NBA starter averaging 7 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.8 blocks with 55% shooting (63% from the line)

WCS. Rookie scale contract, plus RFA rights, means you can lock up a guy (if you don't poison the well) for nine years, with half of that time for pretty cheap.

And that's without considering that WCS has more upside than Biyombo.

upside:  Dude just spent 3 years on the College level showing minimal improvement.  Take his "upside" with a grain of salt.   He's 21 years old.  Biyombo is 22 and has spent the past 4 years on grossly mismanaged franchise. 

Favorable contract:  Who cares if it costs you #16 + #28 + Olynyk to trade up to get him (the price that keeps being mentioned).  I'd rather keep the assets for something else and sign Biyombo.  "favorable contracts" are overrated in this changing salary landscape.   Cap jumps 20 mil next year.  20 mil the year after. 

If we can agree that Biyombo and WCS are comparable players, I gladly pay Biyombo 10 mil over trading 3 assets for WCS. 

How confident are we that WCS (after 3 years of college ball) is a superior prospect to Biyombo?  Biyombo's stats as an NBA starter last year (in 21 games) were more impressive than WCS's stats in his 3rd year playing on the College level.

So, by your estimation WCS is half the player Biyombo is. Let's assume you're correct.

Wouldn't paying WCS a third of Biyombo's $10 million annual salary allow you to spend big on the market next year when that cap jumps?

Throwing money at mediocre players with limited upside is what the last Celtics FO with cap space did. How'd that work out?

why do we keep talking about wcs's contract like its a bargain.  What difference does that make ?  Some mocks have him going top 6... How you gettin him? 

Giving up olynyk, 16 and 28 to trade up for wcs... Or use the assets for something else and sign biyombo.  The money doesn't really matter.

Gee with all the money we could save by trading all our assets for wcs, we can free up more money to spend on quality free agents... Like biyombo...

[HomerSapien]

What about Koufos? He is the guy I've had my eye on as a FA consolation prize. he's a very solid defensive center when he gets minutes, and I like his offensive game a lot more than Biyombo's. Also, I think he is a UFA, so that might mean he can be signed for less than the 4/$40M we are talking about for BB.

[hpantazo]

What about Koufos? He is the guy I've had my eye on as a FA consolation prize. he's a very solid defensive center when he gets minutes, and I like his offensive game a lot more than Biyombo's. Also, I think he is a UFA, so that might mean he can be signed for less than the 4/$40M we are talking about for BB.

I like Koufos as a consolation center target. He's a solid 2 way center who would come cheap, and he's actually a real center, and would likely fit well in CBSs system.

[Irish Stew]

Getting Biyombo to sign for 2 years at $6 million per year sounds really unlikely. The WCS vs Biyombo debate is interesting and a very close call with valid pluses and minuses on both sides. Four years and $40 million is a bit scary for such a one dimensional player, but with cap expansion it probably won't be out of line in a couple of years. It would be nice to pair either rim defender with Love, but that seems less and less likely. An offseason FA haul of Biyombo and Tobias Harris would not be the worst thing in the world. Adding Portis and Justin Anderson (45% from 3) in the draft by moving up from 16 and 28 would also be a nice talent infusion.

[Lucky17]

What about Koufos? He is the guy I've had my eye on as a FA consolation prize. he's a very solid defensive center when he gets minutes, and I like his offensive game a lot more than Biyombo's. Also, I think he is a UFA, so that might mean he can be signed for less than the 4/$40M we are talking about for BB.

Seems way too pragmatic. Celtics should spend bigger bucks on dodgier players. Haven't you heard? The salary cap is blowing up!

[LarBrd33]

What about Koufos? He is the guy I've had my eye on as a FA consolation prize. he's a very solid defensive center when he gets minutes, and I like his offensive game a lot more than Biyombo's. Also, I think he is a UFA, so that might mean he can be signed for less than the 4/$40M we are talking about for BB.

Seems way too pragmatic. Celtics should spend bigger bucks on dodgier players. Haven't you heard? The salary cap is blowing up!

Lol.  I think biyombo has a future in this league.  He'd fill a major need here.  It's not just about spending money to spend it.  I think he's a starting defensive center.  Check the stuff written about him. He could be our poor man's Nerlens noel.

[BornReady]

Not great
But not bad contract
If he plays badly we only have him on the books for 2 years
If he plays good he could be a bargain

[Celtics4ever]

What about Koufos? He is the guy I've had my eye on as a FA consolation prize.

He would be great as a consolation prize, certainly, but not a prime target I wager.

[Celtics18]

I'll be very psyched if we land Bismack Biyombo.  We need a lengthy, springy defender down low.  We've needed that for a long time.

He'll never be an offensive genius.  Neither are Tyson Chandler or Deandre Jordan.

Let's get him!!

[fairweatherfan]

What about Koufos? He is the guy I've had my eye on as a FA consolation prize. he's a very solid defensive center when he gets minutes, and I like his offensive game a lot more than Biyombo's. Also, I think he is a UFA, so that might mean he can be signed for less than the 4/$40M we are talking about for BB.

He's not a FA, but my ideal consolation prize for the center problem is getting Noah from the Bulls.  They're looking to dump him cheap and might actually pay us to take him on.  With just a 1 year deal the risk is low and he'll be a good piece to add, especially in a contract year having just been dumped by Chicago. 

[konkmv]

Do not like him

[Celtics18]

We've got suggestions ranging from 2 years, $12 million to 4 years, $40 million.

How about we split the difference and go three years, $24 million.  Actually, if we could get him for $8million a year, I'd gladly see Danny offer him a four year contract. 

Sure it'd be a risk, but it's the kind of risk that could work out big time on a young kid (twenty-two is still a "young kid" in my book) who has shown the defensive ability to be a real difference maker in the right situation.

I don't know if Danny is looking at Biyombo as an option, but if he is, there will surely be some competition out there. 

Guys with his size, length and athleticism are very rare.  That's the reason Willie Cauley-Stein is rated so highly in this year's draft.

If given the choice between trading one of our young power forward prospects and both our first rounders to move up for a chance at Cauley-Stein vs. being able to sign Bismack Biyombo to a nice contract for under $10 million per year, I'd take the latter.  No question. 

[SHAQATTACK]

Stone me......but I'd rather have Bismack than Hibbert

[Celtics18]

Stone me......but I'd rather have Bismack than Hibbert

Totally.

[LarBrd33]

We've got suggestions ranging from 2 years, $12 million to 4 years, $40 million.

How about we split the difference and go three years, $24 million.  Actually, if we could get him for $8million a year, I'd gladly see Danny offer him a four year contract. 

Sure it'd be a risk, but it's the kind of risk that could work out big time on a young kid (twenty-two is still a "young kid" in my book) who has shown the defensive ability to be a real difference maker in the right situation.

I don't know if Danny is looking at Biyombo as an option, but if he is, there will surely be some competition out there. 

Guys with his size, length and athleticism are very rare.  That's the reason Willie Cauley-Stein is rated so highly in this year's draft.

If given the choice between trading one of our young power forward prospects and both our first rounders to move up for a chance at Cauley-Stein vs. being able to sign Bismack Biyombo to a nice contract for under $10 million per year, I'd take the latter.  No question.

I agree with you entirely, Celtics18.  Look at us... agreeing on stuff.