Why Celtics GM's should be held to a different standard than other GM's

[Celtics#18]

I was recently criticized for expressing  my  unappreciation for Danny Ainge as our GM. Others argued that I should be more appreciative and that other fan bases such as Sacramento and Brooklyn wouldn't complain about having Danny Ainge as their GM.
We should understand that we aren't Sacramento or Brooklyn; we are the Celtics and are the most accomplished team in the NBA. We have a tradition of excellence and that tradition should continue year after year. Let's look at the numbers

Danny Ainge became GM in 2006

Before he became GM the Celtics won 16 championships out of 60 and been to 18 NBA finals out of 60. That means the Celtics won 27 percent of the 60  NBA championships and been to 30 percent of the 60 NBA championship.

Since Danny Ainge took the reins as GM he has won 1 championship out of 14 and have been to 2 championships out of 14. That means the celtics won 7 percent of the 14 championships and have been to 14 percent of the 14 NBA finals. Keep in mind i didn't factor in this years finals.

Now the numbers state that Danny Ainge accomplishments pale in comparison to our teams accomplishments prior to his arrival.

It doen't make sense for a team with our history to have low standards or expectations.

For example a Mayor that develops a road in an undeveloped town in Africa would be an accomplishment that would give him much praise. But if Marty Walsh's only accomplishment was building a road in Boston he would be heavily criticized.

 We have to put things in perspective. The standard on evaluating a GM is different for each team. Danny Ainge evaluation should be based on the performance of past GM's within the Celtics organization not based on the performance  GM's from across the league.

I agree that he has room for improvement and I'm optimistic about what we can do this off season and beyond.

[tenn_smoothie]

Agree - and I actually already made this same point in your previous thread.

We are the Boston Celtics and we are different !!!!

note: please don't make a Laker reference - they barely acknowledged their Minny titles until they won a few in the 80's and started claiming they were close to us.

[mr. dee]

And Pitino's accomplishment is pale in comparison to Danny's. You got to mention that Danny have to clean Pitino's mess before he can accomplish what he needs and wanted to do. Right now, we are in better position compared to what it was when Danny first sat on the office.


Some of the posters already said it in the other thread. Health and age wasn't on our side during our last championship run. Had KG not exploded his knee, we might have won 1 or 2 more banners.

[colincb]

I was recently criticized for expressing  my  unappreciation for Danny Ainge as our GM. Others argued that I should be more appreciative and that other fan bases such as Sacramento and Brooklyn wouldn't complain about having Danny Ainge as their GM.
We should understand that we aren't Sacramento or Brooklyn; we are the Celtics and are the most accomplished team in the NBA. We have a tradition of excellence and that tradition should continue year after year. Let's look at the numbers

Danny Ainge became GM in 2006

Before he became GM the Celtics won 16 championships out of 60 and been to 18 NBA finals out of 60. That means the Celtics won 27 percent of the 60  NBA championships and been to 30 percent of the 60 NBA championship.

Since Danny Ainge took the reins as GM he has won 1 championship out of 14 and have been to 2 championships out of 14. That means the celtics won 7 percent of the 14 championships and have been to 14 percent of the 14 NBA finals. Keep in mind i didn't factor in this years finals.

Now the numbers state that Danny Ainge accomplishments pale in comparison to our teams accomplishments prior to his arrival.

It doen't make sense for a team with our history to have low standards or expectations.

For example a Mayor that develops a road in an undeveloped town in Africa would be an accomplishment that would give him much praise. But if Marty Walsh's only accomplishment was building a road in Boston he would be heavily criticized.

 We have to put things in perspective. The standard on evaluating a GM is different for each team. Danny Ainge evaluation should be based on the performance of past GM's within the Celtics organization not based on the performance  GM's from across the league.

I agree that he has room for improvement and I'm optimistic about what we can do this off season and beyond.

What GM other than Red are you comparing Danny to?

In any case the adoption of the salary cap happened at the very end of Red's run. There's really no comparison betweeb the two eras as far as management is concerned.

[positivitize]

Entitled Bullpoopy

[e4sym0de]

1. You cant compare the NBA 40+ years ago with todays NBA

2.
07-08 - NBA Champion
08-09 - Conference Finals
09-10 - Finals
10-11 - 2nd Round
11-12 - Conference Finals
12-13 - 1st Round

Thats basicly 6 years of very competetive ball and as others pointed out, we wasn´t really lucky regarding injuries and thats something you can´t really control.

Since 2013 he is rebuilding the team in a great way and i think, most nba experts would agree with this statement

3. Im thrilled to read through your list of current GM´s you would prefer over DA.

[BornReady]

I think draft wise he has made some questionable choices
But with trades he usually takes the best deal in negotiations
Signing players to us is tough to attract free agents to our city with our cold weather

[Sixth Man]

And Pitino's accomplishment is pale in comparison to Danny's. You got to mention that Danny have to clean Pitino's mess before he can accomplish what he needs and wanted to do. Right now, we are in better position compared to what it was when Danny first sat on the office.


Some of the posters already said it in the other thread. Health and age wasn't on our side during our last championship run. Had KG not exploded his knee, we might have won 1 or 2 more banners.

If Kendrick hadn't blown out his knee in Game 6 of the rematch series, we would have won a second consecutive title right there.  But hey, shouda woulda coulda...

[MJohnnyboy]

I was recently criticized for expressing  my  unappreciation for Danny Ainge as our GM. Others argued that I should be more appreciative and that other fan bases such as Sacramento and Brooklyn wouldn't complain about having Danny Ainge as their GM.
We should understand that we aren't Sacramento or Brooklyn; we are the Celtics and are the most accomplished team in the NBA. We have a tradition of excellence and that tradition should continue year after year. Let's look at the numbers

Danny Ainge became GM in 2006

Before he became GM the Celtics won 16 championships out of 60 and been to 18 NBA finals out of 60. That means the Celtics won 27 percent of the 60  NBA championships and been to 30 percent of the 60 NBA championship.

Since Danny Ainge took the reins as GM he has won 1 championship out of 14 and have been to 2 championships out of 14. That means the celtics won 7 percent of the 14 championships and have been to 14 percent of the 14 NBA finals. Keep in mind i didn't factor in this years finals.

Now the numbers state that Danny Ainge accomplishments pale in comparison to our teams accomplishments prior to his arrival.

It doen't make sense for a team with our history to have low standards or expectations.

For example a Mayor that develops a road in an undeveloped town in Africa would be an accomplishment that would give him much praise. But if Marty Walsh's only accomplishment was building a road in Boston he would be heavily criticized.

 We have to put things in perspective. The standard on evaluating a GM is different for each team. Danny Ainge evaluation should be based on the performance of past GM's within the Celtics organization not based on the performance  GM's from across the league.

I agree that he has room for improvement and I'm optimistic about what we can do this off season and beyond.

One team gets to win the championship. Just one dude. There are 30 teams in the NBA today. Are you expecting the Celtics to win year and year out? I don't think you understand how hard it is to win a championship. Especially now. Remember how everyone was making a big deal out of Miami three-peating last year? That's because 3-peating is INCREDIBLY hard. Things have changed a lot since the days of Red and Bill. A lot.

Also Danny was made GM in 2003. When he was, the two previous Celtics gms, Rick Pitino and Chris Wallace, did a horrible job with the team. Danny had to clean up the mess that they left. You can't just turn a crackhouse into a temple in a day bro. It takes time and patience.

Billy Beane and Daryl Morey are hailed as two of the best gms in their respective leagues because of how they use advanced metrics. How many championships have they won with their teams? Miami won 2 ships in a row but that wasn't because of Pat Riley. That was because Lebron and his buddies got together.

When you're a GM, you're dealt a hand. You can't help what hand the dealer gives you. You can only make the most of what he gives you. Danny Ainge has done pretty well with the hand he's been dealt.

[BDeCosta26]

Your whole premise is wrong. You can't compare those two eras. It's considerably harder to build a contender, much less 3 decades worth of contenders in the modern NBA. League rules are designed to keep the talent level even.

No team will EVER have a run of sustained championship success like Boston did back in the old days. Too much talent league wide, too many mechanisms to sustain fair play. If you start expecting a franchise these days to win 3 or 4 championships a decade, you'll be sorely disappointed year after year, cause it's just not realistic.

Generally, when just about everyone disagrees with you, your probably wrong.

[Celtics#18]

I guess I'm wrong about this one guys. Thank you for your enlightening information

[Roy H.]

I would focus more on the "0 championships since 1986" drought we were in before Danny took over.

[GreenWarrior]

this dude needs to list some replacement GM's for Ainge if he's so horrible and can be improved on.

Yes we're the Boston Celtics - NBA royalty

...no one cares. because the 1st thing anyone brings up is "yeah but you guys won all those championships when the NBA this & that".

no one cares. in fact there was an era when this team was a complete joke. so you want to hold this team to a high standard? be my guest, but you'll find yourself searching more than anything because what you're looking for is almost unattainable.

by all means, bring up the spurs though.

[thirstyboots18]

 Higher Standards are too hard to keep up.  The low standards are much easier to reach, much more comfortable.  We should settle back and wait...and wait...and...

We should also live in the past, be grateful that Danny's brilliant trading  has brought us a championship.  Forget the future.  We have 17 Banners, after all.  Who knows?  Maybe this team will back into the playoffs, go all the way and win us #18.  As KG said (you remember KG, the player who went from the Nets to the Timberwolves) "Anything (everything) is possible."

If we go deep into the playoffs, read this as facetious.  If we miss the playoffs, read as sarcastic.

[hwangjini_1]

I was recently criticized for expressing  my  unappreciation for Danny Ainge as our GM. Others argued that I should be more appreciative and that other fan bases such as Sacramento and Brooklyn wouldn't complain about having Danny Ainge as their GM.
We should understand that we aren't Sacramento or Brooklyn; we are the Celtics and are the most accomplished team in the NBA. We have a tradition of excellence and that tradition should continue year after year. Let's look at the numbers

Danny Ainge became GM in 2006

Before he became GM the Celtics won 16 championships out of 60 and been to 18 NBA finals out of 60. That means the Celtics won 27 percent of the 60  NBA championships and been to 30 percent of the 60 NBA championship.

Since Danny Ainge took the reins as GM he has won 1 championship out of 14 and have been to 2 championships out of 14. That means the celtics won 7 percent of the 14 championships and have been to 14 percent of the 14 NBA finals. Keep in mind i didn't factor in this years finals.

Now the numbers state that Danny Ainge accomplishments pale in comparison to our teams accomplishments prior to his arrival.

It doen't make sense for a team with our history to have low standards or expectations.

For example a Mayor that develops a road in an undeveloped town in Africa would be an accomplishment that would give him much praise. But if Marty Walsh's only accomplishment was building a road in Boston he would be heavily criticized.

 We have to put things in perspective. The standard on evaluating a GM is different for each team. Danny Ainge evaluation should be based on the performance of past GM's within the Celtics organization not based on the performance  GM's from across the league.

I agree that he has room for improvement and I'm optimistic about what we can do this off season and beyond.

What GM other than Red are you comparing Danny to?

In any case the adoption of the salary cap happened at the very end of Red's run. There's really no comparison betweeb the two eras as far as management is concerned.

judging from i saw in the other thread, the comparison is to some mythical and clairvoyant GM who has the ability of drafting players today while knowing exactly how they will turn out 3 years into the future.

but i agree with you, who else would have done what ainge managed to do? name names, c18, give evidence, and provide an argument that goes beyond "i want better."

ainge cleaned house, rebuilt, won (and without injuries the team would have won more), tore down a team, and created a bevy of assets for the second rebuild.

the celtics are far, far better positioned now then when ainge first took over the celtics. name me other GMs who rebuilt and amassed such resources. while we still have to see how he deploys those assets, i expect him to bring the celtics back to glory once more.

by the way, to assume that the business and talent recruitment of the nba today is comparable to that of the 1950s and 60s is unrealistic. too many changes, including the number of teams have taken place.